In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.
Look to the lower left and lower right areas of your keyboard. There you will see a key identified as "Shift." The purpose of that key is to allow the typing of upper case letters. Upper case letters are used at the beginning of sentences and to begin proper names, such as Glock, to identify acronyms such as SIG and is used in abbreviations such as H-K. It makes a post a lot easier to read if you use that key when appropriate.
After you have found the shift key, look at the center of your keyboard and you will see a long key, usually unmarked. That is the "space" key, which is used to put spaces between words and sentences. While you apparently can use it because there are spaces between many words, you should also use it between sentences.
Seriously Submariner, if you have something worthwhile to say, which you obviously do, it would make it a lot easier to read if you would follow the simple suggestions made above. No offense is intended by this suggestion. If offense is taken, I apologize.
Look to the lower left and lower right areas of your keyboard. There you will see a key identified as "Shift." The purpose of that key is to allow the typing of upper case letters. Upper case letters are used at the beginning of sentences and to begin proper names, such as Glock, to identify acronyms such as SIG and is used in abbreviations such as H-K. It makes a post a lot easier to read if you use that key when appropriate.
After you have found the shift key, look at the center of your keyboard and you will see a long key, usually unmarked. That is the "space" key, which is used to put spaces between words and sentences. While you apparently can use it because there are spaces between many words, you should also use it between sentences.
Seriously Submariner, if you have something worthwhile to say, which you obviously do, it would make it a lot easier to read if you would follow the simple suggestions made above. No offense is intended by this suggestion. If offense is taken, I apologize.
(Sigh) If you prefer guns that have to be adjusted, accurized and customized before they will work as they should have been designed to begin with, I say, knock yourself out. If you're throwing Glocks, you can throw them my way. Don't give one to your dog, or he may become a better shot than you.
By the way, feel in the hand has more to do with grip shape than shooting action, so on many guns it is changeable. I would suggest that you find a hand-filling grip shape that you like and then look at the guns with a similarly designed backstrap front strap and width. I have even bought several sets of grips for a single gun and then sold those that I didn't like after trying them on (if you wind up with the .38, this is an option). I frequently use the elastic grip covers with my Glocks, which can be trimmed as you like, for a little more tacky hold. If you don't like the Glock's grip angle or circumference, there's not much to be done about that. Guns like 1911, Sig and Glock do have somewhat different shapes. Some of the newer models have interchangeable backstraps to help compensate for different hand shapes and sizes.
As for the mini-Glocks, there's nothing wrong with any of them. People who are sensitive to recoil should not to buy the sub-compacts anyway, or they use the grip extenders and a double hand hold as with any other compact. But the G30 is somewhat larger and the slide is heavier than on the G27, so if it's a wrist-breaker for you, see your doctor for some extra calcium. Hey, some people think of the Desert Eagle as a good carry gun. Others carry the 629 in a snubbie Lee Horton designed. To each his or her own.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
I AM JUST A LOWLY TRUCK DRIVER.MY TYPING IS TERRIBLE AND I KNOW THAT,IF I COULD JUST BEG THE INDULGENCE OF ALL THOSE FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO TYPE,AH MY LIFE WOULD BE EVER SO MUCH MORE FULFILLED.IVE SAID MANY TIMES MY TYPING SUCKS *,BUT IF I COULD TYPE,WELL I JUST WOULDNT BE ME.
SUBMARINE SAILOR,TRUCK DRIVER,NE'ER DO WELL, INSTIGATOR,AND RUSTY WALLACE FAN
Submariner,
It isn't your typing that people have issue with, it is the CAPS! PLEASE don't type in all caps! (Not only does it make you look like a retard, it is ANNOYING!!)
Oh.......and everyone can learn something new, no matter how old/stubborn you are.....try it!
We'd appreciate it.
Merc
NO! You may not have my guns! Now go crawl back into your hole!
****************************************
"Tolerating things you may not necessarily like is part of being free" - Larry Flynt
This is going to be harder than I thought. Apparently, while looking for that elusive "Shift" key, you have managed to hit the "Shift Lock" or "Caps Lock" key instead of the "Shift" key. The idea is to use the shift key to put upper case letters in appropriate places, NOT to use it for every letter you type. All upper case is considered shouting and all lower case is considered ......, well, I will be polite and not say. Use the shift key and space bar in the accepted fashion, and then we can all concentrate on the wisdom of your post and not its form.
dEAR jUDGEcOLTS ... wAHT HaS cRAWLEd uP YUor *? f0rE THE lAST yEAr AnD .5 thAT wALT has bEeN pOSTinG i THiNK seVerAL pEopLe hAvetYPED SmomE wIRED stUFF iS Life OS PAthetIC YOu hAvE T0 RESort tO knoCKING OTHers tO mAKE YOurself feLl BETTer ... oR d0ES it reaLLLY B0TER y0u ... lET Us knOW HOw yoY reeLY FEL! aRE yOU 2 PROud tO be aSS0CIATED WIf uS?
iF i WuZ suB iD PROLLY kEPT dooIN iT jUST TO irrIGATE yOU
(iM H0pPIN yoo DonT miND i dELETd mY pOSt coMPLImenTiNG yoUR ADviZE t0 * diS oN DE sAME padge Wif YUr cRAp)
=================================
The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
Edited by - kimberkid on 06/17/2002 17:35:34
If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
Well... just sits here wondering about peoples advices.....
some go for a Glock - some have never tried one and is still against it, because it's "plastic" or no extension of him or her, some have had a Glock as sidearm on duty and loved the lesser weight....
Having only shot a few clips in different pistols at gun-ranges - i liked Glock best... the lightness, accuracy, ease of use.
It makes me wonder - What the heck is so special about 1911 ??
(No it's not to provoke or anything...)
Seems like some people always run home to mama - asking to take their 1911 .45 out for a spin.
Hmmmm, come to think of it - i'd bet it's because it wasn't an american who invented Glock in the first place - "Patriotism.. YeeeeeeeeeeeeHAAAaaaaaaaawwwww!!!"
Bollocks if you ask me..!!
Happy hunting and fun practising
Regards
Peter E Jeppesen
Greenland
I love my silenced .22, the Winchester leveraction 30-30 and 357Mag... and offcourse any 12 gauge. =o)
It's true! It makes about as much sense to ask what's so special about the 1911. But we Glock admirers, for some reason, don't find the 1911 as irritating because it exists as Glock-haters do because Glocks exist. Go figure.
I fully understand the patriotic loyalty to American-made stuff, but then why hate the M1 Carbine? It worked fine except through parkas in Korea, which the round wasn't really designed for anyhow. Actually, the Carbine was designed more to stand in for the 1911, come to think of it, than any other American arm.
Of course, now that American gun companies are selling some imports, it gets harder and harder to be accurate in one's loyalties. Unless the imports are polymer, in which case they seem to be easier to dislike as well.
If you're gonna love the 1911 or the Hi-Power, fine, but you gotta admit they used to jam before they started relieving ejection ports and they used to bite your hand before they started changing the hammers and the beavertails, and they used to have problems when the first stainless ones came out, etc. etc. (Correct drill for clearing a stovepipe in a hurry, by the way, is to brush your off hand from front to back over the slide; this should pop the case out and return the slide to battery.)
Personally, I don't hate any gun -- well maybe the Jennings Bryco .380. Nor do I see the need to do so. Whatever defends your life is aces with me. And I'll bet you wouldn't mind having me at your shoulder, even with my Glock and all those hi-caps, when Al Qaeda came over the hill. So let's take it a bit easy on each other, shall we?
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
You're going to have to back those statements up with some factual data.
"...most shots fired without hitting it's[sic] target..."
Just because you wrote it doesn't make it a fact.
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
To save typing I just picked on the one assertion. I don't necessarily believe ANY of it. You suggest I look it up? Save me the research and just tell me where to look. Where did YOU find these facts?
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
Let's take another look at the intended purpose of the Glock. It was designed for military use. The Glock may not be the most out-of-the-box-accurate gun you've ever fired but neither was the issued mil-spec 1911. Why are there so many "upgrades" and customizations done to mil-spec 1911's? Why is it so necessary for Springfield and Kimber to incorporate all of these "loaded" features? I'll tell you why. The consumer demands it. That is why it is supplied. If the consumer demands all of these customizations and upgrades to an allegedly superior design then what is wrong with buying a Glock and doing the same thing with it? Take a factory Glock and invest the same amount of money that you would have to invest in a stock mil-spec 1911 into custom features and you will have a tack driver. I love both the Glock and the 1911. I will admit that I like the 1911 better due to the nostalgia associated with the design but I also believe that the Glock can be placed on equal playing grounds when it comes to pure effectiveness as a combat tool when you take into consideration all of the customization features that now come standard with many of the 1911's that are currently on the market and put the same amount of money into a Glock.
idsman75 - good points, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find enough stuff to buy for an "out of the box" Glock to equal what you would spend up fitting an "out of the box" 1911 ...
Concider the 1911 common features that shooters prefer upgrading; flareing the ejection port, throating the chamber and polishing the feed ramp, replacing the spur hammer and sear, beavertail, adjustable trigger, fitting a match grade barrel & bushing and the barrel link, full length guide rod and then there is still the springs, tuning the ejector, decent sights (bomar cut required), fitting extended safety and slide release and other stuff I'm sure I'm forgetting ... almost everything needs to be done by a compentent smith (is it any wonder why smiths push the 1911?). The 1911 has come a long way in the last 90 or so years.
Glock; Replace the factory disconector with drop-in 3.5 pound (no smith needed), Replace the awkward factory slide release with extended or pronounced slide release(no smith needed), replace the barrel if you want to shoot lead (no smith needed) ... maybe replace the firing pin with titanimum (no smith needed) ... did I leave anything out?
=================================
The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
Now how are we supposed to take something as silly lookin as that serious? It's like the goofy lookin teenie bopper showing up at the strip with his flowmaster equipped Toyota and sayin it's as good as a big block Camaro! No comparason!
I'll take light weight and big magazine capacity over a heavy seven-shot dinosaur any day of the week.
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
Some of the most reliable machines are reliable due to their pure simplicity. Sounds to me like only a few upgrades are needed to make the Glock a perfect machine. Sounds to me like the 1911 needs to be tweaked just a little more to make it's customers happy.
Ka-booms? Most "Ka-booms" can be traced back to operator headspace and timing. I don't know anyone that's had a kaboom and I don't know anyone who's known anyone who has had a ka-boom. Of course the operator isn't going to own up to their own stupidity. The GLOCK isn't the only gun on the market without a "fully supported chamber".
No gun is safe from operator stupidity. As for statistics, since Glocks are now used by over half of law enforcement, they are bound to rack up higher numbers for everything. Don't forget that most law enforcement agencies will not allow a 1911 to be carried because of the perceived sensitivity of the cocked-n-locked single action mode.
By the way, the most accurate statistic I've seen indicates that even trained law enforcement officers miss 75% of the time REGARDLESS of the gun they carry, which is a good argument IN FAVOR OF high capacity mags. You can't save your life with an empty gun in a sustained firefight, and the perps are carrying higher capacity guns than they used to. All you have to do is watch some of that security camera video they run on TV of convenience store robberies to see how long some of these felons will stand there and empty their 9mms when up against a shopkeeper who returns fire.
The 1911 has gotten relatively little use in organizations other than the military and so the stats are going to be skewed accordingly. As for me being sensitive or thinking Glocks are superior, that's not so. They are a good tool, I like them, they work, and one has never failed me unless I put crap ammo in it, which is then my fault. Guns to bet your life on should be stoked with factory premium ammo, and what you shoot is what you should practice with if you want the very best performance.
Those who insist on lead reloads will prefer another gun, but that's not the Glock's fault. It's just a "manual of arms" detail. I don't like cleaning lead fouling out of the barrels of any of my guns any better than I like cleaning lead fouling out of a Glock, and I don't shoot plain lead, at least since I was young and dumb and had one revolver to my name. Besides, lead in the air causes cancer and may retard the intelligence of children, last I heard. If they won't even put it in wall paint or mini-blinds anymore, best not to use lead in unjacketed bullets, especially at the indoor ranges.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Ruger --
I know it's a funny line, but in truth, the gun magazines and journals have been "revealing" this tip for over 20 years, that certain owners were finding that certain parts of their "pre-Glock" METAL guns cleaned up the very best in the dishwasher -- as long as their wives didn't kill them for sticking them in there. So "dishwasher safe" is, to put it accurately, a term which applied to firearms before Glocks were a gleam in Gaston's eye. Sorry to burst your bubble.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Every KA-BOOM I've ever read about in a Glock was from the operator shooting reloaded ammo.Even if there are more KB's with Glocks you have to put it in perspective,there are also more Glocks sold and in consumers hands than any other pistol.To truly be fair and accurate in saying ANY gun is unreliable you have to average ALL guns in consumers hand to that guns history of KB's.
I sure as heck don't want no "Pretty" gun for CCW.I want something that is as small,light and powerfull as possible.I want it to fire when I pull the trigger and I want the fewest moving parts (that could bind it up) as possible.For me it is a Glock for others it is a heavier chunk of steel,to each their own.
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
The guy admits his dad lost the box. Did you know, any mom & pop operation can load Hornady XTPs onto their casings? I've got some regional-made stuff in the house right now. So it "couldn't" be a double charge, eh?
Trouble is, we've got a lot more people interested in taking pictures of exploded Glocks than of exploded anything else. It doesn't prove anything except that guns can be exploded under the right, or should I say wrong, conditions. Maybe we need more people willing to take pictures of exploded 1911s and hi-powers. I have no doubt they're out there.
I wrote the webmaster a nice note explaining some of this by the way. When you've got over half of law enforcement carrying Glocks and banning the carry of single action cocked-n-locked 1911s at the same time, it's bound to create a stir among the "metal gun only" crowd.
By the way, I once photographed myself with a real flying saucer just outside of Area 51. It came down right next to the highway. Don't believe me? Take a look:
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Does anybody know of Sigs having problems like "Kabooms" or otherwise (I'm sure some have gone kaboom, but has Sig had to modify anything to prevent them like it seems Glock has done?
And as for me, I've been shooting Glocks since 1985 and not one single KB... But then I know what I'm doing. As for the 9mm, Glock was originally designed for the 9, then "reamed out" for the .40, so it would make sense that the 9 was the strongest of the breed. The 10mm, by the way, has a heavier built slide than the .45 and seems to hold up as well as a result. I have no investment in this debate, but I won't argue that polymer will act differently in a disastrous failure than metal. It's true in cars as in guns. Maybe a KB in a Glock, with all that flexibility, is actually safer as a result, I don't know that it's ever been tested. Point is, after a KB, the gun won't fire again in either case. And KBs shouldn't happen at all, ideally. I believe we can all agree on that. I do however believe in the "plastic prejudice effect" in terms of why there are "Glocks suck" sites on the web as opposed to "Hi-Powers suck" sites showing how their mag springs wear out or their ports grab stovepipes. In fact, one of the early benefits of guns like the Glock was that for the first time we had out-of-the-box guns that were engineered nearly 100% jamless with all kinds of ammo. Remember when semi-auto jams were the rage in the gun mags when all they had to debate was semi-vs-revolver? Semis used to be rated by their percentage of jams. Modern technology has reduced that problem to (almost) a historical footnote.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Speaking of Dishwashers, take a Rainbow Trout, put butter and lemon in the middle. Wrap well with Saran Wrap and wrap well again in alluminum foil. Put in the Dishwasher at Normal Cycle. You have never eaten a better fish, of course this works well with other fish also.
This is a Serious post, I've done it for years.
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
Keep your Powder dry and your Musket well oiled.
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
As far as the durability of the Glock is concerned, I am perfectly comfortable with their ability to hold up to all sorts of abuse. I dated a girl who was shooting reloads in a Glock 17 and, during a rapid-fire session, shot a round that had no powder. The bullet was lodged in the barrel right before she squeezed the trigger a second time. The barrel bulged. That was IT!
I also know a gentleman who was shooting reloads that he picked up at a gun show through his Glock 27. He managed to get a round with a DOUBLE charge. The magazine ejected from the gun, fire blazed from all orifaces of the gun and a force was impuned upon his trigger finger that felt like a sledge hammer. This Glock didn't "ka-boom" either.
Like I said, I have yet to speak with someone who has had first-hand experience or knows someone with first-hand experience with a Glock ka-boom. I'll believe it when I see it.
No, photos from a website designed to do nothing more than discredit the Glock under the guise of a warning against a great Glock conspiracy to hide ka-booms don't impress me. Things like that happen when your company is on top.
Josey1-
Do you REALLY BELIEVE: quote:there are also more Glocks sold and in consumers hands than any other pistol.
I think that's a bit far fetched to even begin think Glock has sold more of their pistols in less than 20 years than all the 1911's with various manufacturers that have been produced for over 90 years ... not counting pistols produced that are now in private consumers hands from both World Wars, Korea and Viet Nam and a multitude of skirmishes.
=================================
The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
Ruger --
Assuming you leave out the Cascade, that sounds like a viable idea.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
KIMBERKID,YOUR DEFENSE OF MY TYPING IS APPRECIATED AND YOUR LAST POST MADE ME LAUGH.SOME HAVE MENTIONED MY TYPING B4 AND AFTER I EXPLAINED WHY,MOST WERE HAPPY BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE STARTS IN ON ME.WHEN I USE ALL CAPS DO THEIR EARS ACTUALLY HURT??DO THEY GET THAT SAME RINGING LIKE THEY DO WHEN AT THE END OF THE DAY AT THE RANGE YOUR BUDDY/BRO-IN-LAW POPS OF A COUPLE OF EXTRA .357 RNDS HE FOUND AFTER YOU TOOK YOUR MUFFS OFF,I WONDER.HA HA HA
SUBMARINE SAILOR,TRUCK DRIVER,RUSTY WALLACE FAN AND AS EVERYONE SO OFTEN POINTS OUT PISS POOR TYPIST
Comments
Look to the lower left and lower right areas of your keyboard. There you will see a key identified as "Shift." The purpose of that key is to allow the typing of upper case letters. Upper case letters are used at the beginning of sentences and to begin proper names, such as Glock, to identify acronyms such as SIG and is used in abbreviations such as H-K. It makes a post a lot easier to read if you use that key when appropriate.
After you have found the shift key, look at the center of your keyboard and you will see a long key, usually unmarked. That is the "space" key, which is used to put spaces between words and sentences. While you apparently can use it because there are spaces between many words, you should also use it between sentences.
Seriously Submariner, if you have something worthwhile to say, which you obviously do, it would make it a lot easier to read if you would follow the simple suggestions made above. No offense is intended by this suggestion. If offense is taken, I apologize.
Look to the lower left and lower right areas of your keyboard. There you will see a key identified as "Shift." The purpose of that key is to allow the typing of upper case letters. Upper case letters are used at the beginning of sentences and to begin proper names, such as Glock, to identify acronyms such as SIG and is used in abbreviations such as H-K. It makes a post a lot easier to read if you use that key when appropriate.
After you have found the shift key, look at the center of your keyboard and you will see a long key, usually unmarked. That is the "space" key, which is used to put spaces between words and sentences. While you apparently can use it because there are spaces between many words, you should also use it between sentences.
Seriously Submariner, if you have something worthwhile to say, which you obviously do, it would make it a lot easier to read if you would follow the simple suggestions made above. No offense is intended by this suggestion. If offense is taken, I apologize.
By the way, feel in the hand has more to do with grip shape than shooting action, so on many guns it is changeable. I would suggest that you find a hand-filling grip shape that you like and then look at the guns with a similarly designed backstrap front strap and width. I have even bought several sets of grips for a single gun and then sold those that I didn't like after trying them on (if you wind up with the .38, this is an option). I frequently use the elastic grip covers with my Glocks, which can be trimmed as you like, for a little more tacky hold. If you don't like the Glock's grip angle or circumference, there's not much to be done about that. Guns like 1911, Sig and Glock do have somewhat different shapes. Some of the newer models have interchangeable backstraps to help compensate for different hand shapes and sizes.
As for the mini-Glocks, there's nothing wrong with any of them. People who are sensitive to recoil should not to buy the sub-compacts anyway, or they use the grip extenders and a double hand hold as with any other compact. But the G30 is somewhat larger and the slide is heavier than on the G27, so if it's a wrist-breaker for you, see your doctor for some extra calcium. Hey, some people think of the Desert Eagle as a good carry gun. Others carry the 629 in a snubbie Lee Horton designed. To each his or her own.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
SUBMARINE SAILOR,TRUCK DRIVER,NE'ER DO WELL, INSTIGATOR,AND RUSTY WALLACE FAN
It isn't your typing that people have issue with, it is the CAPS! PLEASE don't type in all caps! (Not only does it make you look like a retard, it is ANNOYING!!)
Oh.......and everyone can learn something new, no matter how old/stubborn you are.....try it!
We'd appreciate it.
Merc
NO! You may not have my guns! Now go crawl back into your hole!
****************************************
"Tolerating things you may not necessarily like is part of being free" - Larry Flynt
This is going to be harder than I thought. Apparently, while looking for that elusive "Shift" key, you have managed to hit the "Shift Lock" or "Caps Lock" key instead of the "Shift" key. The idea is to use the shift key to put upper case letters in appropriate places, NOT to use it for every letter you type. All upper case is considered shouting and all lower case is considered ......, well, I will be polite and not say. Use the shift key and space bar in the accepted fashion, and then we can all concentrate on the wisdom of your post and not its form.
iF i WuZ suB iD PROLLY kEPT dooIN iT jUST TO irrIGATE yOU
(iM H0pPIN yoo DonT miND i dELETd mY pOSt coMPLImenTiNG yoUR ADviZE t0 * diS oN DE sAME padge Wif YUr cRAp)
=================================
The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
Edited by - kimberkid on 06/17/2002 17:35:34
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
some go for a Glock - some have never tried one and is still against it, because it's "plastic" or no extension of him or her, some have had a Glock as sidearm on duty and loved the lesser weight....
Having only shot a few clips in different pistols at gun-ranges - i liked Glock best... the lightness, accuracy, ease of use.
It makes me wonder - What the heck is so special about 1911 ??
(No it's not to provoke or anything...)
Seems like some people always run home to mama - asking to take their 1911 .45 out for a spin.
Hmmmm, come to think of it - i'd bet it's because it wasn't an american who invented Glock in the first place - "Patriotism.. YeeeeeeeeeeeeHAAAaaaaaaaawwwww!!!"
Bollocks if you ask me..!!
Happy hunting and fun practising
Regards
Peter E Jeppesen
Greenland
I love my silenced .22, the Winchester leveraction 30-30 and 357Mag... and offcourse any 12 gauge. =o)
I fully understand the patriotic loyalty to American-made stuff, but then why hate the M1 Carbine? It worked fine except through parkas in Korea, which the round wasn't really designed for anyhow. Actually, the Carbine was designed more to stand in for the 1911, come to think of it, than any other American arm.
Of course, now that American gun companies are selling some imports, it gets harder and harder to be accurate in one's loyalties. Unless the imports are polymer, in which case they seem to be easier to dislike as well.
If you're gonna love the 1911 or the Hi-Power, fine, but you gotta admit they used to jam before they started relieving ejection ports and they used to bite your hand before they started changing the hammers and the beavertails, and they used to have problems when the first stainless ones came out, etc. etc. (Correct drill for clearing a stovepipe in a hurry, by the way, is to brush your off hand from front to back over the slide; this should pop the case out and return the slide to battery.)
Personally, I don't hate any gun -- well maybe the Jennings Bryco .380. Nor do I see the need to do so. Whatever defends your life is aces with me. And I'll bet you wouldn't mind having me at your shoulder, even with my Glock and all those hi-caps, when Al Qaeda came over the hill. So let's take it a bit easy on each other, shall we?
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
"...most shots fired without hitting it's[sic] target..."
Just because you wrote it doesn't make it a fact.
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
Concider the 1911 common features that shooters prefer upgrading; flareing the ejection port, throating the chamber and polishing the feed ramp, replacing the spur hammer and sear, beavertail, adjustable trigger, fitting a match grade barrel & bushing and the barrel link, full length guide rod and then there is still the springs, tuning the ejector, decent sights (bomar cut required), fitting extended safety and slide release and other stuff I'm sure I'm forgetting ... almost everything needs to be done by a compentent smith (is it any wonder why smiths push the 1911?). The 1911 has come a long way in the last 90 or so years.
Glock; Replace the factory disconector with drop-in 3.5 pound (no smith needed), Replace the awkward factory slide release with extended or pronounced slide release(no smith needed), replace the barrel if you want to shoot lead (no smith needed) ... maybe replace the firing pin with titanimum (no smith needed) ... did I leave anything out?
=================================
The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
Now how are we supposed to take something as silly lookin as that serious? It's like the goofy lookin teenie bopper showing up at the strip with his flowmaster equipped Toyota and sayin it's as good as a big block Camaro! No comparason!
Lord Lowrider the LoquaciousMember:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets She was only a fisherman's daughter,But when she saw my rod she reeled.
They are Dishwasher Safe.
Glock owners hate when I post this site.
http://www.glocksucks.com/kb.html
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
Ka-booms? Most "Ka-booms" can be traced back to operator headspace and timing. I don't know anyone that's had a kaboom and I don't know anyone who's known anyone who has had a ka-boom. Of course the operator isn't going to own up to their own stupidity. The GLOCK isn't the only gun on the market without a "fully supported chamber".
By the way, the most accurate statistic I've seen indicates that even trained law enforcement officers miss 75% of the time REGARDLESS of the gun they carry, which is a good argument IN FAVOR OF high capacity mags. You can't save your life with an empty gun in a sustained firefight, and the perps are carrying higher capacity guns than they used to. All you have to do is watch some of that security camera video they run on TV of convenience store robberies to see how long some of these felons will stand there and empty their 9mms when up against a shopkeeper who returns fire.
The 1911 has gotten relatively little use in organizations other than the military and so the stats are going to be skewed accordingly. As for me being sensitive or thinking Glocks are superior, that's not so. They are a good tool, I like them, they work, and one has never failed me unless I put crap ammo in it, which is then my fault. Guns to bet your life on should be stoked with factory premium ammo, and what you shoot is what you should practice with if you want the very best performance.
Those who insist on lead reloads will prefer another gun, but that's not the Glock's fault. It's just a "manual of arms" detail. I don't like cleaning lead fouling out of the barrels of any of my guns any better than I like cleaning lead fouling out of a Glock, and I don't shoot plain lead, at least since I was young and dumb and had one revolver to my name. Besides, lead in the air causes cancer and may retard the intelligence of children, last I heard. If they won't even put it in wall paint or mini-blinds anymore, best not to use lead in unjacketed bullets, especially at the indoor ranges.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Edited by - offeror on 06/18/2002 14:25:29
I know it's a funny line, but in truth, the gun magazines and journals have been "revealing" this tip for over 20 years, that certain owners were finding that certain parts of their "pre-Glock" METAL guns cleaned up the very best in the dishwasher -- as long as their wives didn't kill them for sticking them in there. So "dishwasher safe" is, to put it accurately, a term which applied to firearms before Glocks were a gleam in Gaston's eye. Sorry to burst your bubble.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
I sure as heck don't want no "Pretty" gun for CCW.I want something that is as small,light and powerfull as possible.I want it to fire when I pull the trigger and I want the fewest moving parts (that could bind it up) as possible.For me it is a Glock for others it is a heavier chunk of steel,to each their own.
"If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Trouble is, we've got a lot more people interested in taking pictures of exploded Glocks than of exploded anything else. It doesn't prove anything except that guns can be exploded under the right, or should I say wrong, conditions. Maybe we need more people willing to take pictures of exploded 1911s and hi-powers. I have no doubt they're out there.
I wrote the webmaster a nice note explaining some of this by the way. When you've got over half of law enforcement carrying Glocks and banning the carry of single action cocked-n-locked 1911s at the same time, it's bound to create a stir among the "metal gun only" crowd.
By the way, I once photographed myself with a real flying saucer just outside of Area 51. It came down right next to the highway. Don't believe me? Take a look:
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Speaking of Dishwashers, take a Rainbow Trout, put butter and lemon in the middle. Wrap well with Saran Wrap and wrap well again in alluminum foil. Put in the Dishwasher at Normal Cycle. You have never eaten a better fish, of course this works well with other fish also.
This is a Serious post, I've done it for years.
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
I also know a gentleman who was shooting reloads that he picked up at a gun show through his Glock 27. He managed to get a round with a DOUBLE charge. The magazine ejected from the gun, fire blazed from all orifaces of the gun and a force was impuned upon his trigger finger that felt like a sledge hammer. This Glock didn't "ka-boom" either.
Like I said, I have yet to speak with someone who has had first-hand experience or knows someone with first-hand experience with a Glock ka-boom. I'll believe it when I see it.
No, photos from a website designed to do nothing more than discredit the Glock under the guise of a warning against a great Glock conspiracy to hide ka-booms don't impress me. Things like that happen when your company is on top.
Do you REALLY BELIEVE: quote:there are also more Glocks sold and in consumers hands than any other pistol.
I think that's a bit far fetched to even begin think Glock has sold more of their pistols in less than 20 years than all the 1911's with various manufacturers that have been produced for over 90 years ... not counting pistols produced that are now in private consumers hands from both World Wars, Korea and Viet Nam and a multitude of skirmishes.
=================================
The only bad thing about choosing a Kimber ...
... there are so darn many models to choose from!
kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
Assuming you leave out the Cascade, that sounds like a viable idea.
- Life NRA Member
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
NRA Lifetime Benefactor Member.
SUBMARINE SAILOR,TRUCK DRIVER,RUSTY WALLACE FAN AND AS EVERYONE SO OFTEN POINTS OUT PISS POOR TYPIST