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I think fish has it right. I believe Bronson used the Widley. Now that you guys have brought it up, in the movie did Bronson refer to the piece as "Willy" or "Wildey"? My son and I have been wondering about that for a few years. Yes, if I wasn't so cheap I could rent the tape and after running the spot for a dozen times probably figure it out. Could you guys save me $3.95?
BTW, the Wildey and a number of other movie pieces were shown at the Shot Show in LV. Really interesting.
cbxjeff<P>It's too late for me, save yourself. <br>
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
There's a lot of inexcusable mistakes in those movies. My favorite is about a guy shot six times with a revolver, that "somebody emptied a whole clip into him."
Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
While I agree some latitude is given to certain police officers re: carry weapon, I do not believe this extends to caliber selection (i.e., you can have .38 Specials in a Colt Detective or S&W Chief's Special, but not .357's in a Python; similarly, you can have 9mm in a Beretta 92 or Sig 226, but not .45acp in a Sig 220). I don't know of a single large-city PD in the country that has not had an established "allowable weapons and ammunition" standard since the 40's, San Francisco included. This standard even extends to selection within allowable cartridge type (e.g., for 9mm, you must use only 115gr
Someone else correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that in at least some depts in the 70s California police officers were allocated a certain amount of money for a gun purchase, then they could choose whatever gun they wanted (if necessary adding funds from their own pocket to make up the difference in cost). There may have been an "approved" list of guns they could select from, but is it possible in "liberal" San Francisco, or in other jurisdictions that there wasn't?
Granted that "Dirty Harry" is still a bunch of Hollywood fluff, and giving the creators room for a bit of poetic license, isn't it "possible" that since Officer Callahan was a detective (not a uniformed officer), fairly large in stature (his press states Eastwood is 6'4)a "big boy", that maybe his superiors would have allowed him to carry the bigger gun, or at least looked the other way?
Another way of looking at this is, since the character obviously had some contempt for authority, maybe he simply didn't care what his department thought about his choice!
Man this thread just keeps on going and going and going.... Fact is I have a 6.5 Blue 29-2 Also.. And another firearm with the serial # the same as his badge # used in the movies.
Did you ever notice in most of the screen shots of a frontal view of Dirty Harry's S&W that the cylinder is void of bullets but blasts away regardless.
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
Offeror: quote: There's something foul about York using a Nazi sidearm in that scene, if it wasn't so. To be accurate, please note that WWI was fought BEFORE the Nazi's came to power; ergo, the Luger was developed and manufactured early in the 20th Century, it was a pre-War gun.
I have 1902, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1920 Lugers and they all have Weimar proofs on them, not Nazi. [:D]
Muffinman: quote: .... I beleave the Hilter youth even had there version of the Boy Scouts as well. It then turned into a "Aryan Race" brain washing down the road. But they never had any formal military training in weapons or tactics. They gave them one Panzerfest and a rifle. Also any kidd caught running away was shot by a officer who stood gaurd in the rear!
Consider this, please: Quote
Movements for youngsters were part of German culture and the Hitler Youth had been created in the 1920's. By 1933 its membership stood at 100,000. After Hitler came to power, all other youth movements were abolished and as a result the Hitler Youth grew quickly. In 1936, the figure stood at 4 million members. In 1936, it became all but compulsory to join the Hitler Youth. Youths could avoid doing any active service if they paid their subscription but this became all but impossible after 1939.
The Hitler Youth catered for 10 to 18 year olds. There were separate organisations for boys and girls. The task of the boys section was to prepare the boys for military service. For girls, the organisation prepared them for motherhood.
Boys at 10, joined the Deutsches Jungvolk (German Young People) until the age of 13 when they transferred to the Hitler Jugend (Hitler Youth) until the age of 18. In 1936, the writer J R Tunus wrote about the activities of the Hitler Jugend. He stated that part of their "military athletics" (Wehrsport) included marching, bayonet drill, grenade throwing, trench digging, map reading, gas defence, use of dugouts, how to get under barbed wire and pistol shooting. Unquote
The movie where he tells the rookies that he loads a light special is the second Dirty Harry movie - "Magnum Force". The gun is an original Model 29 .44Mag. with the 6-1/2" barrel. S&W later shortened the 29 to 6". Harry's was the 6-1/2" variety, not the 8-3/8". It was indeed a 29 and not a .41Mag., well at least in the opening credits where they show the gun and it clearly has 44 Magnum on the side of the barrel.
Clint Eastwood actually shoots handguns regularly and is fairly knowledgeable in their use. I understand that Clint goes shooting at a ranch off Carmel Valley road in Los Padres National Forest near Monterrey.
A friend of mine was hunting wild pigs at the same ranch. His guide, who worked on the ranch year round, said he sees Clint out shooting at least a couple of times per year. clint is supposedly very skilled with a Smith and Wesson Model 29, although he favors single action Clot .45s.
Mexican ranch guide said clinto esta mucho hombre or something in Spansih that made it sound as if Clint is the baddest thing in two boots to ever hit the ranch.
quote:Originally posted by offeror
In the first movie John Milius has Dirty Harry talking to the perp about how he's carrying the "most powerful handgun in the world," (at the time) and how it will "blow your head clean off." In the movie MAGNUM FORCE, he off-handedly tells one of the .357-carrying rogue cops that he loads his 629 with ".44 light Specials" because "it gives me better control" or words to that effect. Talk about popping my balloon.... Anybody else noticed that? Dirty Harry shoots .44 Specials! But of course, despite some writer's piece of dialogue, the gun always goes off like a Magnum and penetrates like one too.
<font size=1 color=brown>- Life NRA Member<br>
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Besides which, the venerable old .44Spl. is a great and very powerful round, right up there with the .45 Colt. I often shoot .44 specials in my 629 because they're cheaper and the ARE easier to control. The make just about as loud a bang as .44Mag's do.
Regarding the post about the frontal view of Dirty Harry's model 29 looking like its empty, .44Spl.s are quite a bit shorter than .44Mag's so you might not actually see the bullets from the front unless you were very, very close and staring right at the cylinder face.
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
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While I agree some latitude is given to certain police officers re: carry weapon, I do not believe this extends to caliber selection (i.e., you can have .38 Specials in a Colt Detective or S&W Chief's Special, but not .357's in a Python; similarly, you can have 9mm in a Beretta 92 or Sig 226, but not .45acp in a Sig 220). I don't know of a single large-city PD in the country that has not had an established "allowable weapons and ammunition" standard since the 40's, San Francisco included. This standard even extends to selection within allowable cartridge type (e.g., for 9mm, you must use only 115gr ball).
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FWIW, I've seen Austin PD uniform officers in Austin, TX carrying Glocks, 1911s, Berettas and even an STI that looked like an IPSC Limited Class gun, all in various callibers from 9mm to .45acp. I'm not so sure they have such a policy. If they do, enforcement must be non-existent.
IIRC read somewhere that they only had one model 29 for the movie and it got dropped or damaged. The rest of the movie had to be shot with a model 57 which was indistinguishable unless it was a close up. So I guess some of the show was not "the most powerful handgun in the world" but its little brother. [:D] -Don
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BTW, the Wildey and a number of other movie pieces were shown at the Shot Show in LV. Really interesting.
cbxjeff<P>It's too late for me, save yourself. <br>
There's a lot of inexcusable mistakes in those movies. My favorite is about a guy shot six times with a revolver, that "somebody emptied a whole clip into him."
Why does man kill? He kills for food. But not only for food; frequently, he must have a beverage.
Plan 9?
Lil' Stinker's Opinion
While I agree some latitude is given to certain police officers re: carry weapon, I do not believe this extends to caliber selection (i.e., you can have .38 Specials in a Colt Detective or S&W Chief's Special, but not .357's in a Python; similarly, you can have 9mm in a Beretta 92 or Sig 226, but not .45acp in a Sig 220). I don't know of a single large-city PD in the country that has not had an established "allowable weapons and ammunition" standard since the 40's, San Francisco included. This standard even extends to selection within allowable cartridge type (e.g., for 9mm, you must use only 115gr
Someone else correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that in at least some depts in the 70s California police officers were allocated a certain amount of money for a gun purchase, then they could choose whatever gun they wanted (if necessary adding funds from their own pocket to make up the difference in cost). There may have been an "approved" list of guns they could select from, but is it possible in "liberal" San Francisco, or in other jurisdictions that there wasn't?
Granted that "Dirty Harry" is still a bunch of Hollywood fluff, and giving the creators room for a bit of poetic license, isn't it "possible" that since Officer Callahan was a detective (not a uniformed officer), fairly large in stature (his press states Eastwood is 6'4)a "big boy", that maybe his superiors would have allowed him to carry the bigger gun, or at least looked the other way?
Another way of looking at this is, since the character obviously had some contempt for authority, maybe he simply didn't care what his department thought about his choice!
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Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
I have 1902, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1920 Lugers and they all have Weimar proofs on them, not Nazi. [:D]
volenti non fit injuria
Consider this, please: Quote
Movements for youngsters were part of German culture and the Hitler Youth had been created in the 1920's. By 1933 its membership stood at 100,000. After Hitler came to power, all other youth movements were abolished and as a result the Hitler Youth grew quickly. In 1936, the figure stood at 4 million members. In 1936, it became all but compulsory to join the Hitler Youth. Youths could avoid doing any active service if they paid their subscription but this became all but impossible after 1939.
The Hitler Youth catered for 10 to 18 year olds. There were separate organisations for boys and girls. The task of the boys section was to prepare the boys for military service. For girls, the organisation prepared them for motherhood.
Boys at 10, joined the Deutsches Jungvolk (German Young People) until the age of 13 when they transferred to the Hitler Jugend (Hitler Youth) until the age of 18. In 1936, the writer J R Tunus wrote about the activities of the Hitler Jugend. He stated that part of their "military athletics" (Wehrsport) included marching, bayonet drill, grenade throwing, trench digging, map reading, gas defence, use of dugouts, how to get under barbed wire and pistol shooting. Unquote
volenti non fit injuria
A friend of mine was hunting wild pigs at the same ranch. His guide, who worked on the ranch year round, said he sees Clint out shooting at least a couple of times per year. clint is supposedly very skilled with a Smith and Wesson Model 29, although he favors single action Clot .45s.
Mexican ranch guide said clinto esta mucho hombre or something in Spansih that made it sound as if Clint is the baddest thing in two boots to ever hit the ranch.
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I also have a 29-3 with a 10 1/2 " barrel. It is awesome on long range.
Here's a beautiful "no dash" 29 6-1/2", but I think they want way too much money for it:
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=32028428
In the first movie John Milius has Dirty Harry talking to the perp about how he's carrying the "most powerful handgun in the world," (at the time) and how it will "blow your head clean off." In the movie MAGNUM FORCE, he off-handedly tells one of the .357-carrying rogue cops that he loads his 629 with ".44 light Specials" because "it gives me better control" or words to that effect. Talk about popping my balloon.... Anybody else noticed that? Dirty Harry shoots .44 Specials! But of course, despite some writer's piece of dialogue, the gun always goes off like a Magnum and penetrates like one too.
<font size=1 color=brown>- Life NRA Member<br>
"If cowardly & dishonorable men shoot unarmed men with army guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary...and not by general deprivation of constitutional privilege." - Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
Wow. I thought this was common knowledge.
Regarding the post about the frontal view of Dirty Harry's model 29 looking like its empty, .44Spl.s are quite a bit shorter than .44Mag's so you might not actually see the bullets from the front unless you were very, very close and staring right at the cylinder face.
<snip>
While I agree some latitude is given to certain police officers re: carry weapon, I do not believe this extends to caliber selection (i.e., you can have .38 Specials in a Colt Detective or S&W Chief's Special, but not .357's in a Python; similarly, you can have 9mm in a Beretta 92 or Sig 226, but not .45acp in a Sig 220). I don't know of a single large-city PD in the country that has not had an established "allowable weapons and ammunition" standard since the 40's, San Francisco included. This standard even extends to selection within allowable cartridge type (e.g., for 9mm, you must use only 115gr ball).
<snip>
FWIW, I've seen Austin PD uniform officers in Austin, TX carrying Glocks, 1911s, Berettas and even an STI that looked like an IPSC Limited Class gun, all in various callibers from 9mm to .45acp. I'm not so sure they have such a policy. If they do, enforcement must be non-existent.