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Obama Threaten Israel Jets if they attack Iran?
serf
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Looks like Obama is delaying the inevitable and Now Russia will back Iran if attack so it's all coming true.
serf
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191966
The Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an has cited a Kuwaiti newspaper report Saturday, that US President Barack Obama thwarted an Israeli military attack against Iran's nuclear facilities in 2014 by threatening to shoot down Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.
Following Obama's threat, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was reportedly forced to abort the planned Iran attack.
serf
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191966
The Bethlehem-based news agency Ma'an has cited a Kuwaiti newspaper report Saturday, that US President Barack Obama thwarted an Israeli military attack against Iran's nuclear facilities in 2014 by threatening to shoot down Israeli jets before they could reach their targets in Iran.
Following Obama's threat, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was reportedly forced to abort the planned Iran attack.
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Tried to read it, but in place of English it's printed in chicken scratches, or maybe it's Camel Flea Wing Prints?
All the photos were of men in dresses with knapkins on their heads and a Halo-like band around the top.
Except for a few photos of Olivia Wilde in a clingy green dress walking the carpet at an awards show. So at least they have some personal taste going for them.
It's not the first time Israeli jets have pounded Iran's nuclear weapons building facilities... I say more power to em.
GOOD!!! Probably about the only sensible thing he's ever done!
If Israel wants to start WW III they should know we're not automatically going to willingly go along with that. Israel is gettin' a little too big for their britches! They want to go and do something stupid like that and they should know they better put their big boy pants on first.
Well Iran is hell bent on eradicating The Jews and vice-versa so it's will be coming like it or not. Obama is going to be another Neville Chamberlain soon In June.Just watch and see.
serf
Whether we like it or not Israel is our Allie and to threaten to shoot down their planes is the same as threatening to shoot down British planes during the Falklands war.
The thing about osambo is he can talk smack Isreal about stopping Iran from getting a nuke but he cannot do jack to Russia when they invade a country we promised to protect in accordance with the Budapest Memorandum. Look it up
in my OPINION.., proof he is a muslime !!
Netanyahu is a Jewish Secularist. Nothing wrong with that either.
The Iranian regime is predominately Shiite Islam, and Persian.
Kuwait is mostly Shia Islam, and Arab.
Same deal with Saudi Arabia, heavily Shia Islam and Arab.
Shiite and Shia have ancient arguments. As do Arabs and Persians.
Kuwait allows quite a bit of press freedom. The Arab newspaper in question is secular and despises Iran.
There are numerous sects of Islam. Plus numerous tribal groups. Some sects despise others, as do certain tribes.
All of which has a point, and it is an important one. But I've decided not to share it. After all, ya'll stopped reading after the first sentence challenged Approved GB Forums Group Think, so why bother making a point?
Just like the Patriot Acts I&II [:D] Kiss your freedoms good bye! There is no debate or reading of it until after they vote on it!
That's making law without representation period!
The blind leading the blind! You gotta love it for you can't leave it!
serf
http://www.timesofisrael.com/kerry-warns-netanyahu-against-revealing-iran-talks-details/?utm_source=The+Times+of+Israel+Daily+Edition&utm_campaign=9ec7d9ff14-2015_03_02&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_adb46cec92-9ec7d9ff14-54582729
Secretary of State John Kerry on Monday appeared to warn Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu against revealing in his upcoming speech to the US Congress details of an Iran nuclear deal that world powers are currently negotiating.
for a couple days.
I'm calling BS until there is a better/additional
sources.
This "story" has bounced around the net
for a couple days.
I'm calling BS until there is a better/additional
sources.
It won't happen Snowden has taught them to be beware of leaks. Now being aware is a fluidity of thoughts that must not be divulged until the right time usually hind sight not foresight however.
serf
March 20th is coming!
Were there any Justice in his future, his value to Putin will fade and he will meet an interesting end of the sort that only a KGB thug would dream up.
This "story" has bounced around the net
for a couple days.
I'm calling BS until there is a better/additional
sources.
quote:Originally posted by TwoDogs
This "story" has bounced around the net
for a couple days.
I'm calling BS until there is a better/additional
sources.
It won't happen Snowden has taught them to be beware of leaks. Now being aware is a fluidity of thoughts that must not be divulged until the right time usually hind sight not foresight however.
serf
March 20th is coming!
Obama is a devout Christian, and he hails from Hawaii.
Netanyahu is a Jewish Secularist. Nothing wrong with that either.
The Iranian regime is predominately Shiite Islam, and Persian.
Kuwait is mostly Shia Islam, and Arab.
Same deal with Saudi Arabia, heavily Shia Islam and Arab.
Shiite and Shia have ancient arguments. As do Arabs and Persians.
Kuwait allows quite a bit of press freedom. The Arab newspaper in question is secular and despises Iran.
There are numerous sects of Islam. Plus numerous tribal groups. Some sects despise others, as do certain tribes.
All of which has a point, and it is an important one. But I've decided not to share it. After all, ya'll stopped reading after the first sentence challenged Approved GB Forums Group Think, so why bother making a point?
The basic point is that absent a strong and domineering ruler, these people don't play well with others. A 13th century mentality does not fare well in an age of world travel, instant communication and video camera equipped goats.
To your first statement. Obama attends Christian churches, and presents himself as a Christian, so I have no reason to doubt that he is.
He has not, however, done anything ever that demonstrates or even suggests he is a devout Christian. If your intent of that first sentence was to get folks to ignore the rest of your statement, you may have achieved that goal due to the absolute silliness of the statement. The follow on statements have much more value, but, alas, not the shock value of no. 1.
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
GOOD!!! Probably about the only sensible thing he's ever done!
If Israel wants to start WW III they should know we're not automatically going to willingly go along with that. Israel is gettin' a little too big for their britches! They want to go and do something stupid like that and they should know they better put their big boy pants on first.
Well Iran is hell bent on eradicating The Jews and vice-versa so it's will be coming like it or not. Obama is going to be another Neville Chamberlain soon In June.Just watch and see.
serf
Fine. Let 'em have at it. Just don't expect the US to come in and do all the heavy lifting this time.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the Iranians by any means. None! But Israel is stirring the pot over there, and if they want a fight, let 'em have one...but without the US.
If we want to go kick some * in Iran we should only do it on our terms and on our timeline, not because Israel pulls the pin and then hauls *.
Edit...I've said this before, and I'll say it again...
As has been proven over and over, and over, again...conventional war is not possible nor winnable in the shadow of nuclear weapons. I don't care who's side you're on, everyone loses. People who suggest turning Iran into a glass parking lot is a good idea might want to re-think that a little bit. The first guy to pull out the nukes is the first guy to get vaporized.
So, if Iran really does have nukes after all, and Israel goes in there and pokes 'em with a sharp stick, they may just go ahead and use them (pretty likely actually, especially on Israel). Then the dominoes start falling. Israel will retaliate, and they do have nukes. Then the house of cards comes down. First Russia, then the US and then China. At that point it's GAME OVER!
Still sound like a good idea?
Stirring the pot ? Like what do you do when someone has been launching missiles at your country for YEARS ? OH,, also vowed to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth?
quote:The terror group Hamas has begun deploying against Israel advanced long-range missiles provided to the militant group by Iran, forcing the Israeli military to specifically target these weapons caches in air strikes, according to Israel's ambassador to the United States.
The Israeli Defense Forces has begun striking Hamas missile factories that are capable of producing these long-range Iranian rockets, Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer told a small crowd of leading pro-Israel officials and other insiders on Wednesday.
"Hamas has a considerable arsenal, some of it has been smuggled in, [and] some of those long range rockets they've fired in the last couple days were smuggled in" via illicit shipments sent by Iran, Dermer said on Capitol Hill during the July 9 Symposium, which brought together leading pro-Israel advocates in Washington, D.C.
quote:So, if Iran really does have nukes after all, and Israel goes in there and pokes 'em with a sharp stick, WTH !!!
Obama is a devout Muslim, and he hails from Kenya.
Netanyahu is a Jewish Secularist. Nothing wrong with that, and at least he's a native to the country he serves..
The Iranian regime is predominately Shiite Islam, and Persian.
Kuwait is mostly Shia Islam, and Arab.
Same deal with Saudi Arabia, heavily Shia Islam and Arab.
Shiite and Shia have ancient arguments. As do Arabs and Persians.
Kuwait allows quite a bit of press freedom. The Arab newspaper in question is secular and despises Iran.
There are numerous sects of Islam. Plus numerous tribal groups. Some sects despise others, as do certain tribes.
All of which has no point, and if there were one, it wouldn't be important. But I've decided not to share it. After all, ya'll stopped reading after the first sentence challenged Approved GB Forums Group Think, so why bother making a point?
Thank you for sparing us.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
That being said I wouldn't give a crap if Israel turned the entire middle east into a sheet of glass and or Putin took out Israel.
I have no dog in the hunt. I do wish we would toughen up and close our own borders to the scum that don't like America and loudly say so.
Personally I don't know all the details but if I'm not mistaken one of the worst things that could ever have been done was taking land from the Arabs to give to Israel. If they took my land and gave it to the Arabs I would be pissed too and hope my kids would sty pissed.
That being said I wouldn't give a crap if Israel turned the entire middle east into a sheet of glass and or Putin took out Israel.
I have no dog in the hunt. I do wish we would toughen up and close our own borders to the scum that don't like America and loudly say so.
Todays issue with the middle east has little to do with current politics, besides having to deal with it.
But really it comes down to crusades leaving tracks from the past which leads into the land grabs and dividing of land after WWI where the bulk of the issues come from. Lastly you have the creation of Israel after WWII.
If people havent watched lawrence of Arabia , it really gives some good insight on the issues we have today
Personally I don't know all the details but if I'm not mistaken one of the worst things that could ever have been done was taking land from the Arabs to give to Israel. If they took my land and gave it to the Arabs I would be pissed too and hope my kids would sty pissed.
That being said I wouldn't give a crap if Israel turned the entire middle east into a sheet of glass and or Putin took out Israel.
I have no dog in the hunt. I do wish we would toughen up and close our own borders to the scum that don't like America and loudly say so.
Are you suggesting that the Brits took land from the Arabs to give to the Israelies? LOL!
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:The Hill reports the invitation as a direct rebuke to Obama's Iran policy: (OH NO: His majesty, the President in Chief MO of the U.S. didn't give permission.)
Boehner cast Netanyahu's address scheduled as being intended to rebuke to Obama's negotiations with Iran on that country's nuclear program.
The president "expects us to stand idly by and do nothing while he cuts a bad deal with Iran [Boehner said]."
"Two words: "Hell no!" . we're going to do no such thing," Boehner said.
Haaretz says the White House's Josh Earnest "criticizes Netanyahu's planned trip to U.S., calling it a departure from protocol'".
DEPARTURE FROM PROTOCOL = DIDN'T ask permission. WTH: What happened to freedom of speech? Did this work in Germany 70 years ago? Pok'n with a stick,, gezzzzzzz
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/sanctions-congress-netanyahu#sthash.c9Zazpsx.dpuf
GOOD!!! Probably about the only sensible thing he's ever done!
I will agree 100% with that statement. I have said for years that Israel wants a war with Iran so bad that it is killing them. Only thing holding them back is they can not get the US to back them.
Once ISIS gets the land bridge opened through Northern Iraq and Syria for Iran. Israel will be wishing that they had not screwed with Iran.
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Obama is a devout Muslim, and he hails from Kenya.
Netanyahu is a Jewish Secularist. Nothing wrong with that, and at least he's a native to the country he serves..
The Iranian regime is predominately Shiite Islam, and Persian.
Kuwait is mostly Shia Islam, and Arab.
Same deal with Saudi Arabia, heavily Shia Islam and Arab.
Shiite and Shia have ancient arguments. As do Arabs and Persians.
Kuwait allows quite a bit of press freedom. The Arab newspaper in question is secular and despises Iran.
There are numerous sects of Islam. Plus numerous tribal groups. Some sects despise others, as do certain tribes.
All of which has no point, and if there were one, it wouldn't be important. But I've decided not to share it. After all, ya'll stopped reading after the first sentence challenged Approved GB Forums Group Think, so why bother making a point?
Thank you for sparing us.
Here, here. 'I have a point, but I not gonna tell ya, cause I don't hafta'. Darn it. I may never smile again.
I read the book boys and Israel wins in the end along with all the others who have put theirs souls in God's hands.
Thank you.
quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
GOOD!!! Probably about the only sensible thing he's ever done!
I will agree 100% with that statement. I have said for years that Israel wants a war with Iran so bad that it is killing them. Only thing holding them back is they can not get the US to back them.
Once ISIS gets the land bridge opened through Northern Iraq and Syria for Iran. Israel will be wishing that they had not screwed with Iran.
never read the BIBLE huh? GOD is very clear that in the latter years ( present times ) the last war will start between ISRAEL and a arab federation led by iran with Russia " unwillingly" joining them. ISRAEL defeats them all with nuclear weapns, then the kings of asia ( china ) march against ISRAEL and are deafeated and the blood flows or miles as high as a horses bridal and for 7yrs they bury the dead. then, the WHOLE world unites against ISRAEL to try to wipe them from existence, at which time JESUS returns and stops those who are destroying themselves and the earth, and sets up his 1000yr reign on earth. I find it exciting, as I am alive to see the end of times fulfilled!
Personally I don't know all the details but if I'm not mistaken one of the worst things that could ever have been done was taking land from the Arabs to give to Israel. If they took my land and gave it to the Arabs I would be pissed too and hope my kids would say pissed.
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Looked at this a long time ago and remember thinking OH,, so that's what happened. Here are some answers from Yahoo,, not the best source but easy to understand. Think I'll look up some errrr, more technical?
So,, here it is,, don't forget the 6 Day War (June 1967) many countries invaded Israel and FAILED !!! Israel kept quite a bit of land,, spoils of war. Most of it has been given back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
OK: Here is one persons explanation:
Best Answer: to aswer you, the land of Israel always belonged to the Jewish people, does belong and will always belong for more then 3000 years.Israel never belonged to the Palestinians,Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the Diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.
The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.
Even after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the beginning of the exile, Jewish life in the Land of Israel continued and often flourished. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias by the ninth century. In the 11th century, Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa and Caesarea.
The Crusaders massacred many Jews during the 12th century, but the community rebounded in the next two centuries as large numbers of rabbis and Jewish pilgrims immigrated to Jerusalem and the Galilee. Prominent rabbis established communities in Safed, Jerusalem and elsewhere during the next 300 years. By the early 19th century - years before the birth of the modern Zionist movement - more than 10,000 Jews lived throughout what is today Israel.1 The 78 years of nation-building, beginning in 1870, culminated in the reestablishment of the Jewish State.
Israel's international "birth certificate" was validated by the promise of the Bible; uninterrupted Jewish settlement from the time of Joshua onward; the Balfour Declaration of 1917; the League of Nations Mandate, which incorporated the Balfour Declaration; the United Nations partition resolution of 1947; Israel's admission to the UN in 1949; the recognition of Israel by most other states; and, most of all, the society created by Israel's people in decades of thriving, dynamic national existence.
"Nobody does Israel any service by proclaiming its 'right to exist.'
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090104200139AA3lReH forget to add link,, there is MORE.
OR Maybe the U.S. should give,, Montana, Arizona and ??? back to the indians.
Military madness never ends.
The world no longer has that stability (if it could have ever been called that). That all the players knew where the lines were drawn and were smart enough not to cross them. As things are now, with our current lack of leadership, it stands to reason that the Iranians are eventually going to get a nuclear weapon. This particular drama has been playing out for years with no positive results and I feel that it's by design.
The Russian's and the Chinese have strong ties with the current regime.
Both countries supply arms, technical and economic support.
Both have veto power in the UN when it comes to sanctions which have had no effect in stopping Iran's march for a bomb, go figure.
Like FCD I'm sick of sending our boys to fight in far away lands with both hands tied behind their backs. Dragged out for more than a decade with absolutely nothing to show for it. I fear though that when, not if, Iran obtains a nuclear weapon that we will be dragged into yet another conflict. And make no mistake, no one's going to win.
I read the book boys and Israel wins in the end along with all the others who have put theirs souls in God's hands.
Exactly who wrote that book? What were their religious and ethnic associations? Where in the book that follows is it written that God plays favorites and one ethnic race is superior to another?
I have often wondered why people accept they pray to a fair and just God, yet also accept they belong to, in their God's eyes, an inferior race and must support the superior race to avoid the wrath of their fair and just god.
quote:Originally posted by 96harley
I read the book boys and Israel wins in the end along with all the others who have put theirs souls in God's hands.
Exactly who wrote that book? What were their religious and ethnic associations? Where in the book that follows is it written that God plays favorites and one ethnic race is superior to another?
I have often wondered why people accept they pray to a fair and just God, yet also accept they belong to, in their God's eyes, an inferior race and must support the superior race to avoid the wrath of their fair and just god.
Over 40 authors, over the span of 1500 years or more, ranging from kings to fishermen to field hands, living on 3 different continents. And they all seem to have agreed with one another. Quite amazing actually.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Iran is working for a nuke, and close to it
Having proclaimed they would wipe Israel from the face of the earth
One modest sized nuke would obliterate Israel
Would you put your trust in the Obama Administration to see that it didn't happen?
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by 96harley
I read the book boys and Israel wins in the end along with all the others who have put theirs souls in God's hands.
Exactly who wrote that book? What were their religious and ethnic associations? Where in the book that follows is it written that God plays favorites and one ethnic race is superior to another?
I have often wondered why people accept they pray to a fair and just God, yet also accept they belong to, in their God's eyes, an inferior race and must support the superior race to avoid the wrath of their fair and just god.
Over 40 authors, over the span of 1500 years or more, ranging from kings to fishermen to field hands, living on 3 different continents. And they all seem to have agreed with one another. Quite amazing actually.
I dont want to discount anything. But everything you said including the fact that anything man makes is going to be imperfect and the bible went through a couple languages to get to english, leads me to be, well I dont want to skeptical but maybe take it for what it is. Ive always viewed it as guidebook, if the document was 100% correct we shouldnt be eating lobster or pigs either.
FCD, If you were in Netanyahu's shoes, knowing that:
Iran is working for a nuke, and close to it
Having proclaimed they would wipe Israel from the face of the earth
One modest sized nuke would obliterate Israel
Would you put your trust in the Obama Administration to see that it didn't happen?
Ehh, I dont much weight into this. Iran can say what they want. Do we truly know their intentions, I dont think anybody can say that. Iran has its handlers just like Israel does. That doesnt mean one or the other wont do as they want, but thats a big step for one of those two, to do something major and risk losing support. To think Russia will allow tehran to realse nuclear weapons is silly. Now if Tehran does it on its own, its anybodys guess but I find it hard to beleive Russia stands by that.
Our relations as far as whats publibshed goes up and down. We arent going to stand by israel on everything they say or do, that would be rediculous.
But with that said, I think it would be ignorant to think that this situation doesnt have the possibility to escalate into something larger.
Nards....It's commonly referred to as FAITH. I live by it and though imperfect and not man made but formed from the dust in God's image, I fall far short of His perfection. When Christ entered the picture things changed for hell bound guys like me. Have a good evening my friend.
Thank you Mr. Perfect...I was going explain it as you did. Again thank you brother.
Nards....It's commonly referred to as FAITH. I live by it and though imperfect and not man made but formed from the dust in God's image, I fall far short of His perfection. When Christ entered the picture things changed for hell bound guys like me. Have a good evening my friend.
Not getting into a bible lesson. And I respect everybodys beleifs including yours. Ive been around lots of people who are christian some dont beleive in the bible at all, some that were hard core christians dismiss the old testament or vice versa. Im not saying everything in it is bunk, my belief is I take it for whats it worth. Other things such as the ten commandments are pretty straight forward and were written by god and carry much more weight for me. The bible has lots of contradictory and leaves lot to interpretation. Like I said according to the bible we cant eat lots of seafood, pigs, and shouldnt wear cloth woven from two materials, which look at the tag on your clothes.
My biggest issue with the bible thumping crowd is 1. Very few if any live what the bible says to a T, but yet feel as if they need to instruct others. 2. A lot of them use and discard parts of the bible as it suits their needs.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by 96harley
I read the book boys and Israel wins in the end along with all the others who have put theirs souls in God's hands.
Exactly who wrote that book? What were their religious and ethnic associations? Where in the book that follows is it written that God plays favorites and one ethnic race is superior to another?
I have often wondered why people accept they pray to a fair and just God, yet also accept they belong to, in their God's eyes, an inferior race and must support the superior race to avoid the wrath of their fair and just god.
Over 40 authors, over the span of 1500 years or more, ranging from kings to fishermen to field hands, living on 3 different continents. And they all seem to have agreed with one another. Quite amazing actually.
I dont want to discount anything. But everything you said including the fact that anything man makes is going to be imperfect and the bible went through a couple languages to get to english, leads me to be, well I dont want to skeptical but maybe take it for what it is. Ive always viewed it as guidebook, if the document was 100% correct we shouldnt be eating lobster or pigs either.
Anything man makes? Couple of languages to get to english? I think you'd best do some investigation of your own, you're sounding quite foolish.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Thank you Mr. Perfect...I was going explain it as you did. Again thank you brother.
Nards....It's commonly referred to as FAITH. I live by it and though imperfect and not man made but formed from the dust in God's image, I fall far short of His perfection. When Christ entered the picture things changed for hell bound guys like me. Have a good evening my friend.
Weather one has faith in god or one doesn't should be separate from their belief of how accurate they believe the writing of the bible to be, particularly the old testament. The bible was written not by god, but by men. It was also rewritten by men, organized by men, edited by men, and published by men. It is simply a book written by men. As it is published here in the USA it is not even in chronological order.
To take from the old testament that god has deemed the Jewish race is a superior race and all other races must accept and foster this belief or be damned is not anything I personally could see a fair and just god as demanding. I can however see a race of people writing such things and then pushing to have this belief sold to the world. The Jews do this with the bible and the Muslims do it with the Koran. I don't blame them for doing this, hell why not, obviously it's working. I just can't understand otherwise rational people accepting it as gospel.
While I have nothing against the Jews, or any race of people for that matter, I do not accept they are superior to me or that my tax dollars need to be spent due to a misguided interpretation of a book written primarily by Jews.
If the USA needs to deal with Israel as an ally then so be it. But remove the religious part of the discussion when it comes to spending my tax dollars and sending Americans to war.
Mr. Perfect writes: "Over 40 authors, over the span of 1500 years or more, ranging from kings to fishermen to field hands, living on 3 different continents. And they all seem to have agreed with one another. Quite amazing actually."
Why is this amazing? As the historical writings were compiled by men, sorted by men, rewritten by men and all done by the same men at the request of king or another it isn't amazing that the writings agree with each other it is inevitable.
The bible is what it is, but it also is not what it's not.