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The great .223 we all LOVE!

Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
edited April 2002 in General Discussion
Ok, SXSMAN says we need a new thread for the .223. Here we go, all in favor of the .223 speak and be heard. All not in favor of the .223 shut up! This thread is for glorifying the great round that we all love so much and to give the few (you know who you are) nonbelievers some good info they can use to see the err in their ways. Flame away fella's![This message has been edited by 7mm nut (edited 03-29-2002).]
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  • agloreaglore Member Posts: 6,012
    edited November -1
    You have a mouse in your pocket(we)? Haven't found a use for the cartridge yet that the 25's or 6.5's couldn't do just as well or better.
    AlleninAlaska
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  • .250Savage.250Savage Member Posts: 812 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What a piece of (liberal)! It's only good for shooting microbes and other like-sized game! And the guns that shoot it weigh 50 pounds, easy! Unloaded!
    I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.--Voltaire~Secret Select Society Of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    250: That's what I've been hearing, and from a seasoned expert, too.Clouder..
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    This is going to be fun
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  • thesupermonkeythesupermonkey Member Posts: 3,905 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Please send all your unwanted 223 and M16/Ar15's to:T. S. Monkey321 Banana Nut Dr.Houston Zoo, TxThank you
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  • FitzFitz Member Posts: 258 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bottom line: it's a great round for the price and if the sh*t hits the fan, it's bound to be widely available. My first rifle is the mini-14 exactly for those two reasons. I sure as hell don't have the funds to go out and shoot 45/70 all day... but anyone can afford the .223. (I'm debating on the Guide Gun and a Remington 30.06 for my next purchase and the price of ammo is a big consideration there too.)Fitz
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If its such a piece of ca-ca-do-do, why has it all but taken over the Camp Perry Service Rifle Competitions?Why is it the calibur of choice of most military's all over the world?Not to mention widespread availability, effective, accurate and cheap to reload ...I could go on, but those of you have made up your mind that .223 is worthless are off in your own little world and think everybody else is wrong ... I-d-ten-T's
    Sometimes the most obvious, IS the most elusive!kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, if it is too small for mice (the word of an expert, confirmed by Clouder which makes it almost gospel) then it is probably too small for deer. Besides, those rifles are all plastic and stamped metal with no genuwine ozark black walnut anywhere on 'em. If we are going to use the .17 HRM for grasshoppers, maybe the .223 would be good for shrews? That is just flat silly; do you know how many shrews it takes to feed Clouder and me even one good meal? I conclude the only way to go is foreign weapons and MUCH LARGER bullets.
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  • gap1916gap1916 Member Posts: 4,977
    edited November -1
    I like the .223 and his brother the 5.56. I also lioke the different types for rifles and pistal that shoot this round. For the fun of plinking, the art of target, the thrill of varmit hunting and for that mad minute I have every soooo often I love the .223. Just my 2 cents
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  • JustCJustC Member Posts: 16,056 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    the bullet is good for it's intended purpose, killing people at short to medium distance. It is selected as an ASSAULT caliber, not a BATTLE caliber. The playing field has changed to closer engagements and therefore, you can carry more ammo, with less surface mass, and therfore less weight. Now, If the modern battlefield returns to 400-600yd engagements, like many pre-nam conflicts, then you will once again see the 308 and 30-06 be the shining examples. Both military rounds are very well suited to their purposes, HOWEVER, you can't put down the 223 because it doesn't kill at the distance with the effectiveness of the 308.Now for varmint hunts, the 223 is the better choice due to ammo cost and recoil and speed, but for deer hunting, the obviuos choice is the 308. (this given only military calibers to choose from) As far as 1000yd competition, the only thing the 223 is good for at that distance is a hole in the paper. All else being equal, the 30-378 or the 338 lapua or the 50bmg are far better suited to killing at 1000yds.I like the 223, but I keep in mind it's intnded purpose. It is a fun and accurate round with many, many possibilities......as far as being the choice of militaries, thats because NATO adopted it, and half their arsenals are financed by NATO, therefore it is only logical to adopt the caliber we gave them the guns for. Ammo availability is the other reason, once we opened the floodgates on production of a round, then how many companies are going to be tooled to produce the demand for the armed forces? AND, what is going to happen to the overrun in production by said factories? It is going to be sold to the highest bidder, I.E.- foreign militaries.These militaries can then pick up ammo off of our dead soldiers and use it as well. ECONOMICS and FUNCTION
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  • KonetKonet Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    .223 Rules Cheap easy for to go to shooting range and play unlike others they cost to much.
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    HeDog:I suggest you go with an 8mm. If the 6.5 is inherently accurate and the 7.62 will give 'greater inherent accuracy', good lord, can you imagine what the 8mm will do. And then use only FMJ bullets, WOW! Move over ya 1000 yard pikers, I'll show ya what a real man can do at 2000 yards. Nothin' to this stuff, jist gotta listen to the experts.To think of all the time I've wasted, true-spinning and weighing bullets, metering powder, reaming necks and centering flash holes.Damn, what a waste.Clouder..
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  • KonetKonet Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I live in the country and we got alot of * that trying to eat our ducks i kill 1 or 2 stuff a month that trys to kill our ducks. And 223. puts them down in 1 shot so i like it.
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Konet:Look on the keyboard in front of you. See that key on the bottom right with a dot on it? Okay? Looks like this (.).Now, every time you post something, go back and read it, and every time you have to pause and take a breath, put one of them dots in.Okay. Love hearin' from ya.Clouder..
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  • KonetKonet Member Posts: 72 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I didnt come to this Site for english so shut up. i only do it on net to save time but if i doing somthing els i do it right. ok So shut up i will talk how i want to.
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  • simonbssimonbs Member Posts: 994 ✭
    edited November -1
    Well said.
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  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    simonsbs:Thank you.Clouder..
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  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good point Clouder. I'm thinking with a rifle like that, we could even get us some cottontails for the pot.
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  • 223believer223believer Member Posts: 128 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The love I've been waiting for and here it is in spades! Thank you all, for those of you throwing bills please wrap them around silver dollars so they're sure to get to me.People who hate the 223 often overlook that fact that most of the really cool special operations guys, the fellows so cool they can carry anything they want into battle, usually tote an AR shooting the 223. Think about it: these people are the best trained warriors in the world and can carry ANYTHING, and they choose an AR and the 223. For me, that's a pretty strong recommendation. Yes, I know that some of the fellows choose the 308, but the 223 is about the best jack-of-all-trades: light so you can carry a lot, low recoil, effective energy, decent at longer ranges, etc. Having read a great number of books on the management of GSW's, I can tell you that the 223 creates one heck of a wound, and the wound is usually fatal.Now, back to the praise and worship. I'd like a peeled grape and could you please send in some of those girls in bikinis to rub my shoulders.
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  • AR 15AR 15 Member Posts: 3 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    amen Saxon, any one who thinks it want do damage please show me where you want me to shoot you with it, if it causes no pain or doesnt put you down then you can have my bushy free to do whatever you like with it, well except for shooting me .
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  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    And just think ... we did it all without any stirin from dano!... Just the same, I wouldn't mind hearing his spoon clanking on the side of the pot ...
    Sometimes the most obvious, IS the most elusive!kimberkid@gunbroker.zzn.com
    If you really desire something, you'll find a way ?
    ? otherwise, you'll find an excuse.
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  • 218Beekeep218Beekeep Member Posts: 3,033
    edited November -1
    Hooo-wee...223...and I thought them bees was big!!.218P.S. Did sombody say somethin` about clouder,shut up?
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  • RembrandtRembrandt Member Posts: 4,486 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If this thread hits over 500 posts, then we'll know it's a worthy round.....stir, stir....(Secretly,....I've been shooting my new Bushmaster when no one is looking....I like it!)
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Rembrandt--I knew you'd fall in love with your Bushy.We have a lot of Monday-morning quarterbacking going on here. I own a Ruger bolt-action in .223. I know several people that have killed many-a-coyote with this caliber. As far as its effectiveness in battle is concerned, how many of you have had conversations with those that have taken lives with weapons chambered in this round? I know a few and all have attested to its effectiveness on the battlefield. I'm sold. It's inexpensive. There IS a niche for it otherwise it wouldn't be such a great seller in the civilian market. I don't like to banter about with opinions and loose talk. I like to get it from the horse's mouth.
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  • groundhog devastationgroundhog devastation Member Posts: 4,495
    edited November -1
    Here comes a GHD sermon!!! I proudly own an xp 100 in 223 as of today by way of Gunbroker auction!!! Shot it on the bench today with 3 different FACTORY LOADS( First factory loads in whenever) results were astounding!! NO i didn't use a Holosight!! This gun came with a 3x9 Burris LER on it. 9 shot group consisting of 3 Fed Prem50grTNT, 3 Fed Prem. 52gr HP and 3Win.53gr Hp. Final score .543 no difference in P.O.I. I'm a beleiver in the little guy now!! Groundhogs are no longer safe in SW VA!! If the 223 won't get them the 222Mag 40-X will and if not then DEVASTATION SUPREME--25-06 will be called into play!!! If ya'll couldn't tell by reading this, I'M EXCITED!!!!!!
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GHD--you need to come to Sioux City, IA. There is rumor that 6-foot groundhog statues will be going up sometime in the future throughout the city. They were talking about it last summer. I'm not holding my breath.
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  • Tailgunner1954Tailgunner1954 Member Posts: 7,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't own, need, or want a .223 BUT any round that causes the "other" guy to design a new cartrige and re-equip their army with all new rifles is doing somthing right. If it was the junk that some people claim do you think that Russia would have gone to all that trouble ?
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  • groundhog devastationgroundhog devastation Member Posts: 4,495
    edited November -1
    idsman, 6ft targets are too big!!! Give me them little guys!!! I like precision shooting too much!! However would love to come visit you guys!! I like to see different people in different areas because we can all learn from each other!! GHD
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  • Matt45Matt45 Member Posts: 3,185
    edited November -1
    Funny thing is, about 12 years ago, (When you where in pre-school Bullz) I was shot at and returned fire with that ineffective rifle. Didn't seem too ineffective to me. Or to the other guys.But then again, mebbe I'm just braggin', makin' up for what ain't there. Yeah, that's it.
    Reserving my Right to Arm Bears!!!!
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  • idsman75idsman75 Member Posts: 13,398 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    GHD--I'll take digital photos as soon as those statues go up and post em here.
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  • 4wheeler4wheeler Member Posts: 3,441
    edited November -1
    okay i just had to stir a little. i own a bushy and would not trade it for anything. i love the way it handles and and does not knock me down when i fire off 30 rounds. if i need more fire-power i can reach and get it. i never leave home without them.
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  • travelortravelor Member Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    ya know.....I like .223....works for me... but I like 7.62 also...and 9mm....thats why I have an upper for my ar that is barreled for each...I don't know if I would want .223 for urban warfare, and I'm sure that I wouldn't want 9mm for long range communications either....and that 7.62 sure does poke a big hole for inbetween....I am thinking about getting a 308, but I don't think they make an upper for ar in that caliber...unless I change lowers....and that kinda circumvents my philosophy. They all run hot if they cycle fast enough!!!Sombody give Konet a smoking jacket....I think his parrents must be closly enough related to qualify him for honorary membership!!!! HEHEHEHE
    keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • Bushy ARBushy AR Member Posts: 564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Travelor...the .308 and the 7.62 NATO is one and the same.Anyway,I have both .223 and .308 and use them for different purposes...The .223 is cheaper to shoot all day but for long distance I dial 1-800-Grab the .308....
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  • travelortravelor Member Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bushy AR, let me clarify...Yes, 308 is 7.62 x 54 right? AK47 shoots 7.62 also....X 39..both are .30 cal, But they are by no means the same. I don't think you can truly "reach out and touch someone" with 7.62X39, which is why I mentioned the need for an additional 308 capability.
    keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • robsgunsrobsguns Member Posts: 4,581 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nope, 308 is 7.62x51, not 54.7.62x39 is the traditional round for the AK's and SKS's. 7.62x54 is for the Nagant's, for the most part. 7.62x63 is the old reliable 30-06. Yes, 7.62 is the standard NATO uses, in 51.
    SSgt Ryan E. Roberts, USMC[This message has been edited by robsguns (edited 03-31-2002).]
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  • scott5792scott5792 Member Posts: 300 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    All I can say is.AK 47. every .223 that I ever shot,couldn't hold up to the funk and dirt. Ak has never failed me.And I mean funky weight is the only draw back on ak the Ak's ammo.Scott
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  • travelortravelor Member Posts: 442 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    SSgt. Roberts, I stand corrected, I was on the right track....but with the wrong vehical...
    keep lots of extra uppers for your ar..you can change often enough to keep the thing from over heating...what ever caliber fits the moment..~Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets~
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  • varmit huntervarmit hunter Member Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well I have a problem.My.223 has killed approx 75 coyotes,30 wild goats,8 hogs,50 crows,One at 328 yrds.4 deer.I now have to figure out how to go back and tell them,They not really dead.How can this many experts be wrong?.I can see I have to read more,Before I start shooting things. Varmit the uninformed
    A unarmed man is a subject.A armed man is a citizen.
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Varmithunter, some people just have a hard time believing that a .22 is capable of anything besides killing pop cans at 50 yards. When I got my NEF .223 I was doubtful of it's capabilities, now I'm in love. If you load it right it's just as good as an '06. When it comes time each year to piss of sportsman and "clean the fields" of troublesome deer that is the gun I use. I have yet to have a deer run from it. Every deer I have popped with it fell dead right now.
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  • scott5792scott5792 Member Posts: 300 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    PO cans Naaaa. not at all 7mm.In Va they will arrest(well could) you for hunting with at .223, must be at least .224.It'll kill a man, but you can't hunt with it. Go figure.Scott
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