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Over rated or just plain dog...the Browning B-2000, Browning's first attempt at a gas operated semi-auto shotgun.
Colt "All American model 2000", only made for about 3 years, pretty homely.....
Daisy Red Ryder BB-gun....advertisements always made it look like these were a match grade target piece....reality proved it to be an education in Kentucky elevation and windage.....rumors had it you could kill a bird, (providing you hit it in the eyeball)
The 1911A1 needed no modification to the port with military ball ammo. They were highly reliable, low maintenance combat weapons.
I met several soldiers who could pick any well used 1911A1 at random and fire beautiful scores. The only thing they occasionally needed was a retensioning of the combination sear/trigger/grip safety spring which is no big deal. The BAR on the other hand suffered from corrosive ammo and wet conditions in addition to the fixed barrel and 20 round mag limitations. Because water and rust had frozen the slow fire mechanisms in the buttstocks, all the 7th Divisions'BARs (Korea)would only fire semiautomatic in the 250 rpm slow fire position. Dissassembly and the tools to maintain this mechanism were not authorized at company level. The owners weren't even aware there were two full automatic positions. Corrosive '06 ammo used till the end of the Korean war locked up the adjustable gas ports, preventing cleaning of the gun and making compensating adjustments for wear.
While the BAR was very accurate, it was in no way as durable as the A4 and A6 BMG which ,by the way,are easy to fire and hit with from the hip.
I had the pleasure of briefly "owning" and shooting a captured 8mm BRNO which had none of the above weaknesses. Because of the quick change barrel it might not have had the long range accuracy of the BAR at extreme range but it was a better combat LMG .
The P-08 Luger is seriously flawed firstly in that it cocks on closing of a light slide & driving spring and secondly that the striker is too light to prevent blown primers and damage to the breechblock from overcharges. The fully enclosed holster with gun elevator looks neat until you realize it's a slow, two handed proposition to get into action and an acknowledgement that the tightly fitted Luger needs to be protected from the elements. I'd bet my two that they wouldn't be worth a damn in the dusty conditions of several past military actions.
There's more to rating rifles than by a shot group to price ratio(for me anyway). I,m immersed in the pre-64 model 70 hobby because its a quality built rifle with a lot of combinations of calibers, models and "sub-eras" of stocks, safeties, sights, bluing, checkering etc. It's nostalgic and fun. Might be pricey but I haven't bought one that I won't sell for more than i paid for it either. My next buck won't know if it shot 1/2" or 1 1/2" groups.
As to the 30-30, i just never had any luck with it. I have also heard everyones bs stories about shooting deer at about 300 yards with one. I like the idea of them and respect them, but not like that.
I think the 7mm mag is not overated, but overdone here. Seem's like every wanna be woodsman, desk jockie from the refineries owns one for deer hunting. And not a single one of them makes a shot over 100yds, most of them are probably withing about 50-65yds considering the way brush is around here. And they all talk them up like they are the biggest who da do da of guns. I usually just tell them that I'll stick with my 223rem... Gets the job done just as good, but without all that kick or noise. And costs me a lot less to shoot.
If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
Lee, I first bought my 7mm as an "only" gun. The only one I had to do everything. Like the .30-06 it can be used that way, and in the west where shots can be long, that is not unreasonable. It will pound you to death however and these days it is just used for elk hunting. Your complaint is not really with be caliber, but with how it is often underutilized.
I spent a summer living in the wilderness of British Columbia. There weren't any towns or roads nearby. There were a few white guys who were licensed big game hunters and a fair number of Indians who worked for the hunters. These guys loved the Marlin .30-30. First, as a lever action it fit well in a saddle scabbard. They thought it had plenty of power, of course they knew how to sneak in close for a shot on a moose, and they were confident they could kill a Grizzly if they were attacked while quartering a moose or mountain goat. They said just before the griz got to you he would stand up on his hind legs and then smack you across the head. They have been known to break a horse's neck with a smack like that. Well, when griz stood up, these guys told me you have an open shot at his chest and that is when you cut loose with the .30-30. They liked the reliability of the lever action and they said you could get in 3 or 4 shots real quick. Several of these Indians told me that they had killed a griz like that, or they knew someone who had. They laughed about the rich Americans coming up to hunt with the magnums, and the had lots of stories of Americans flinching, missing the game, and getting 7 stitches over the eye from getting hit in the face by the scope. Also, regarding the 7mm mag, I have encountered more guys in Ga. who get those for hunting whitetails. I still havn't figured that one out. The last 7mm mag I encountered was when a 23 year old kid shot his hunting partner in the leg with one by accident. I had to take him to the big hospital in Macon in the ambulance. That slug hit his thigh bone. He had a little bitty 7mm entrance wound on the front of his thigh. On the back, you could have stuffed a loaf of bread into the exit wound.This old guy had jumped into France with the 101 Airborne but the next day he got his leg amputated in Macon.
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."
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Colt "All American model 2000", only made for about 3 years, pretty homely.....
Daisy Red Ryder BB-gun....advertisements always made it look like these were a match grade target piece....reality proved it to be an education in Kentucky elevation and windage.....rumors had it you could kill a bird, (providing you hit it in the eyeball)
I met several soldiers who could pick any well used 1911A1 at random and fire beautiful scores. The only thing they occasionally needed was a retensioning of the combination sear/trigger/grip safety spring which is no big deal. The BAR on the other hand suffered from corrosive ammo and wet conditions in addition to the fixed barrel and 20 round mag limitations. Because water and rust had frozen the slow fire mechanisms in the buttstocks, all the 7th Divisions'BARs (Korea)would only fire semiautomatic in the 250 rpm slow fire position. Dissassembly and the tools to maintain this mechanism were not authorized at company level. The owners weren't even aware there were two full automatic positions. Corrosive '06 ammo used till the end of the Korean war locked up the adjustable gas ports, preventing cleaning of the gun and making compensating adjustments for wear.
While the BAR was very accurate, it was in no way as durable as the A4 and A6 BMG which ,by the way,are easy to fire and hit with from the hip.
I had the pleasure of briefly "owning" and shooting a captured 8mm BRNO which had none of the above weaknesses. Because of the quick change barrel it might not have had the long range accuracy of the BAR at extreme range but it was a better combat LMG .
Duty Honor Country
And i like my 223
Edited by - wittum on 07/26/2002 01:06:26
If I'm wrong please correct me, I won't be offended.
The sound of a 12 gauge pump clears a house fatser than Rosie O eats a Big Mac !
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."