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NYC Police Throw Navy SEAL Into Psych Ward for

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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    NYC and Bloomburg
  • TooBigTooBig Member Posts: 28,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    They put the wrong guy in jail I think the Mayor should be with Big Bubba for the crap he has pulled.
  • KSUmarksmanKSUmarksman Member Posts: 10,705 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    on the streets he's just another schmuck like the rest of us...who has to put up with the same insane laws of liberal idiots.

    I don't think there's anything wrong with that part, being a SEAL should not entitle one to special treatment in the eyes of the law...the thing is the LAW IS WRONG, for the SEAL, for you, for me, its an unjust law for everyone.
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I may not like the laws in New York but if caught with a gun then to bad.

    Said it before what Idiot would go into New York with a weapon, Knowing their laws.

    Me I will just stay away.
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not defending either side. But what strikes me funny about this story, I am seeing the MEDIAS increasing trend of publishing more story's of clashes between police and military personnel in the name of homeland security.
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    I have run into a half-dozen SEALs or other SF-types throughout my career, usually drunken, loud-mouthed jerks.
  • FrancFFrancF Member Posts: 35,279 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    I have run into a half-dozen SEALs or other SF-types throughout my career, usually drunken, loud-mouthed jerks.


    I believe it, and can see/imagine the attitude your faced with. But it almost seems like the media is pitting one against another lately. Maybe its just me taking notice to a pattern I have never looked at before.
  • JasonVJasonV Member Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    I have run into a half-dozen SEALs or other SF-types throughout my career, usually drunken, loud-mouthed jerks.



    Kind of like the LEOs I have run into.
    formerly known as warpig883
  • p3skykingp3skyking Member Posts: 23,916 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    I have run into a half-dozen SEALs or other SF-types throughout my career, usually drunken, loud-mouthed jerks.


    Since they accomplish things 99.99% of people around them never will, it kinda goes with the territory. Other than restrict them all to Diego Garcia, the 99.99% need to learn to deal with it. We don't ask them to be Boy Scouts.
    [8D]
  • WulfmannWulfmann Member Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We have become a nation of citizens that are more concerned with pleasing the police and being afraid of their continued increasing draconian powers.

    Homeland security is a means of controlling this nation under the guise of it is for our own good.

    There once was a time intention played an important role in determining a criminal act.
    Now it is what excuse can we use to put you under our thumb.

    Dance citizen dance.

    20 years ago police addressed citizens as sir. Now, we address them as sir.
    One lawyer passes out magnetic cards and advises putting them on the under side of your car so you can see his phone number when a cop has his boot heel on your neck.
    Not making it up
    http://dailyreckoning.com/getting-out-of-dodge-part-ii/

    Wulfmann
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    "Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
    Otto von Bismarck
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    Lest you misunderstand: I don't believe that a single one of my SEAL or SF encounters was with the genuine article. There are lots of posers in the world. I doubt seriously I have ever met a real SEAL. If I did, he didn't let on that he was one.
  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    What ever happened to

    NAME
    RANK
    SERIAL NUMBER

    SHUT THE HELL UP?
  • TexasVetTexasVet Member Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Lest you misunderstand: I don't believe that a single one of my SEAL or SF encounters was with the genuine article. There are lots of posers in the world. I doubt seriously I have ever met a real SEAL. If I did, he didn't let on that he was one.


    You're right about that. True SF & Seal guys don't all look like Rambo with huge biceps, and most keep their mouths shut.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Most SEALs look and act like people except they usually drink and talk less. I've known a few who married human women who had regular human babies.

    nunn is right, most of the loud mouthed jerks wouldn't know how to cross a Quarterdeck.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • Alan RushingAlan Rushing Member Posts: 8,805 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn

    I have run into a half-dozen SEALs or other SF-types throughout my career, usually drunken, loud-mouthed jerks.

    followed by:

    Lest you misunderstand: I don't believe that a single one of my SEAL or SF encounters was with the genuine article. There are lots of posers in the world. I doubt seriously I have ever met a real SEAL. If I did, he didn't let on that he was one.
    Mr Nunn

    I had been going to offer the notion that at least 9 chances out of 10 you have run into many active and former SEAL, S.F., etc. Most don't make any waves and I'd doubt that most would brag about their background ... especially if they are screwing-up in the civilian world.

    Bad apples and * everywhere ... but it'd a real dense one to run amuck in the civilian world and then thump their chest to the LEOs about being a SEAL or this or that. That would be a notion that'd probably not go so well in the military world. (Me thinks) [;)]
    You covered all of your own bases on your own quite well though! [^]
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So what if he wasn't a real SEAL?

    Don't we still have the First Amendment in is this country?

    What's that? Not in New York?

    I guess I should have known. They've erased the Second Amendment, the First couldn't have been far behind.
  • wartigerwartiger Member Posts: 3,861
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    I have run into a half-dozen SEALs or other SF-types throughout my career, usually drunken, loud-mouthed jerks.


    Working just miles from Fort Benning, I have had the pleasure of dealing with many a drunk Ranger and a few other high-speed type soldiers. Usually they act accordingly, but, a few regard the local police as a joke until they are in jail for trying to fight their way out of the situation.
  • TxsTxs Member Posts: 17,809 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Where does it say this guy was confirmed to be a SEAL member?

    It only tells us that Navy personnel took custody of one of their people for psych treatment in a military facility. No great significance to that.
  • Waco WaltzWaco Waltz Member Posts: 10,836 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I met a real SEAL in San Diego early 90's picking up tupperware for his wife. Very professional demeanor.


    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Lest you misunderstand: I don't believe that a single one of my SEAL or SF encounters was with the genuine article. There are lots of posers in the world. I doubt seriously I have ever met a real SEAL. If I did, he didn't let on that he was one.
  • Wyatt EarpWyatt Earp Member Posts: 5,871
    edited November -1
    The best way to see if he's a real SEAL is to put him and the arresting cop in a room, and tell them to work out their differences. If he's a real SEAL, that will become evident with or without gunplay.
  • eastbankeastbank Member Posts: 4,052 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    i met half a dozen leo,s who were loud mouth jerks,must mean they all are. oh, they may not have realy been real leo,s. the police marked car,s,guns and black uniforms must have been fake. eastbank.
  • Smoky14Smoky14 Member Posts: 531 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    I have run into a half-dozen SEALs or other SF-types throughout my career, usually drunken, loud-mouthed jerks.


    Thanks Nunn, most of us you don't know or will ever meet!
  • wpagewpage Member Posts: 10,201 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Unless he was assigned to protect NY harbor. A mistake to bring a handgun to NYC.
  • chollagardenschollagardens Member Posts: 4,614 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I hope the Navy seal was on orders, that require being armed, to carry out his duties for the Federal goverment.
  • WulfmannWulfmann Member Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I may have met a few but only "know" of one that I knew was actually a SEAL and became SEAL trainer.
    Had he not been a close friend of my brother I would have never known that as well and the SEAL never mentioned it or any of his business, ever

    Chances are anyone saying he is a SEAL is not.

    Wulfmann
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    "Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
    Otto von Bismarck
  • jeffb1911jeffb1911 Member Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd have to agree with Nunn on the fake sf types. The real ones i've dealt with no matter how drunk were professional as possible in demeanor. Of course, the worst that they were doing was having a slightly loud party and playing their music a little too loud for a residential neighborhood or a minor traffic violation. There was never a try to get out of anything at any time due to their job, and never bragged about what they did. If it were not for my asking, it would have never come up.

    The fakes on the other hand will try to get away with anything, and will get very vocal about what they "do".
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    I have run into a half-dozen SEALs or other SF-types throughout my career, usually drunken, loud-mouthed jerks.
    Most of them were not the 'real deal' only want-a-be's!!![:(]

    What you are seeing is part of the progressive agenda.
    Any cop, prosecutor, or judge who take part in this or allows this to happen are traitors, and are in direct violation of their oath!!!![:(!]
  • River RatRiver Rat Member Posts: 9,022
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
    I may not like the laws in New York but if caught with a gun then to bad.

    Said it before what Idiot would go into New York with a weapon, Knowing their laws.

    Me I will just stay away.


    This is why I will never, ever set foot in New York City. I never have, and I never will. It's dang sure not on my "bucket list," anyway.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    David, you are right.. many posers in the world about their military exploits.. Got a fellow that has a Semper Fi License Plate.. Asked him what he did in the marines and he said "I was a Sharpshooter" Now that tells me alot...milit1.gif
  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    From the article, it appears that this feller did have some mental issues, SEAL or no, and needed some help. Besides that, he was in violation of NY law. Protective custody detention is probably preferable to being jailed on a gun charge in New York.
  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Protective custody detention is probably preferable to being jailed on a gun charge in New York.
    By a long shot. Even if the guy ain't nuts, he's one lucky dude.

    I don't think anybody in their right mind would tell a New York cop "You can't arrest me, I'm a such and so or whatever. That's a quick way to get a free ride to the gray bar hotel.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
  • A J ChristA J Christ Member Posts: 7,534
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Lest you misunderstand: I don't believe that a single one of my SEAL or SF encounters was with the genuine article. There are lots of posers in the world. I doubt seriously I have ever met a real SEAL. If I did, he didn't let on that he was one.


    Having spent 21 years in the Marine Corps have been around a good number of Marine Recon, Navy Seals and Green Berets. The real ones, the real deal, usually down played their actual job description and were pretty straight up and humble.

    The ones doing the bragging were usually the attached support cooks, admin and supply pogues.

    I was an engineer type.
  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by A J Christ
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Lest you misunderstand: I don't believe that a single one of my SEAL or SF encounters was with the genuine article. There are lots of posers in the world. I doubt seriously I have ever met a real SEAL. If I did, he didn't let on that he was one.


    Having spent 21 years in the Marine Corps have been around a good number of Marine Recon, Navy Seals and Green Berets. The real ones, the real deal, usually down played their actual job description and were pretty straight up and humble.

    The ones doing the bragging were usually the attached support cooks, admin and supply pogues.

    I was an engineer type.

    What type of Engineer, AJ?
  • Spider7115Spider7115 Member Posts: 29,704 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was invited to SEAL Team Two's annual picnic at Little Creek Amphib Base in Virginia Beach a few years ago. About two hours in, it started pouring and they were all screaming and running for the tents.

    I had to laugh. They were SEALS! They were supposed to get wet! [:D]
  • A J ChristA J Christ Member Posts: 7,534
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cce1302
    quote:Originally posted by A J Christ
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Lest you misunderstand: I don't believe that a single one of my SEAL or SF encounters was with the genuine article. There are lots of posers in the world. I doubt seriously I have ever met a real SEAL. If I did, he didn't let on that he was one.


    Having spent 21 years in the Marine Corps have been around a good number of Marine Recon, Navy Seals and Green Berets. The real ones, the real deal, usually down played their actual job description and were pretty straight up and humble.

    The ones doing the bragging were usually the attached support cooks, admin and supply pogues.

    I was an engineer type.

    What type of Engineer, AJ?


    First an 1142, then 1169.
  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by A J Christ
    quote:Originally posted by cce1302
    quote:Originally posted by A J Christ
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    Lest you misunderstand: I don't believe that a single one of my SEAL or SF encounters was with the genuine article. There are lots of posers in the world. I doubt seriously I have ever met a real SEAL. If I did, he didn't let on that he was one.


    Having spent 21 years in the Marine Corps have been around a good number of Marine Recon, Navy Seals and Green Berets. The real ones, the real deal, usually down played their actual job description and were pretty straight up and humble.

    The ones doing the bragging were usually the attached support cooks, admin and supply pogues.

    I was an engineer type.

    What type of Engineer, AJ?


    First an 1142, then 1169.


    Oh an electrician. The smart kind of engineer.




    Ok sorry for the threadjack. Now back to something about crazy seals.
  • TrinityScrimshawTrinityScrimshaw Member Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    After having worked as an LEO within the Department of Defense for many years including my active duty time, I can say I have crossed paths with many Special Operations types. Most were stand up folks that I was proud to claim as friends. Some are retired now, some still on active duty, and some have gone on to be with their Lord.

    My mentor & best friend for many years was a Major at Fort Hood back in the 80's who was a MYSOG veteran of Vietnam. This person was as close to the real Rambo type I have ever come across while serving around the military. He was large, quite, serious & cock sure of himself. You wouldn't have wanted to pi$$ him off, or be on his bad side.

    I recall getting a call from one very special friend while he was deployed in Iraq back in 2004. Seems a young MP was trying to get close with this Operators teenage daughter through Face Book. I tried to reason with the soldier by messaging him, but got nowhere. I then called him into my office & spoke directly with him. He left with the right frame of mind, but I wonder if seeing a picture of me & the girl's father together in my office had anything to do with it? Especially since he could clearly see that Dad was Delta!

    Back in 1983 while deployed to Honduras it took me and three other MP's to restrain a SF SGT who had tore up a bar in San Lorenzo. This dude was bad to the bone, and drunker than drunk. Got him back to our base camp & put him in bed.

    In 1988 I chased a Light Fighter Ranger though the snow & thick woods to stop him from harming himself after having caught his spouse in bed with another soldier. This was a Domestic situation gone badly. He held both hostages at knife point until the Police arrived, and then fled on foot saying he would harm himself. Lucky for me he decided to turn himself over to me. He had the drop on me, and could have taken me out if he had wanted to.

    Lost two close friends who were pilots in the 160th to separate accidents. One who was depicted being shot down in the movie Black Hawk Down, and another in a training exercise. Both were great guys, who loved their families, loved to hunt, and will be truly missed.

    I have a close friend back in Texas whose son is a SEAL. He is deployed to Afghanistan right now, and I try and keep up with him as much as possible. I wish him and all the special operators I have known over the years well. I pray the Lord looks after them, and protects their families in their absence. The life they live is not for the faint of heart.

    Trinity +++
  • nemesisenforcernemesisenforcer Member Posts: 10,513 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Went to college with a guy who was in the Marines. He used to teach hand to hand combat to the SEALs. One of the nicest guys ever, but believe me, he was the real deal. I saw him in action once and it was truly awe inspiring.
  • Jim RauJim Rau Member Posts: 3,550
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    From the article, it appears that this feller did have some mental issues, SEAL or no, and needed some help. Besides that, he was in violation of NY law. Protective custody detention is probably preferable to being jailed on a gun charge in New York.
    Except that the NY law is a direct violation of our civil/individual rights the same as the old 'Jim Crow' laws in the south were!!![V]
  • grumpygygrumpygy Member Posts: 48,464 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
    After having worked as an LEO within the Department of Defense for many years including my active duty time, I can say I have crossed paths with many Special Operations types. Most were stand up folks that I was proud to claim as friends. Some are retired now, some still on active duty, and some have gone on to be with their Lord.

    My mentor & best friend for many years was a Major at Fort Hood back in the 80's who was a MYSOG veteran of Vietnam. This person was as close to the real Rambo type I have ever come across while serving around the military. He was large, quite, serious & cock sure of himself. You wouldn't have wanted to pi$$ him off, or be on his bad side.

    I recall getting a call from one very special friend while he was deployed in Iraq back in 2004. Seems a young MP was trying to get close with this Operators teenage daughter through Face Book. I tried to reason with the soldier by messaging him, but got nowhere. I then called him into my office & spoke directly with him. He left with the right frame of mind, but I wonder if seeing a picture of me & the girl's father together in my office had anything to do with it? Especially since he could clearly see that Dad was Delta!

    Back in 1983 while deployed to Honduras it took me and three other MP's to restrain a SF SGT who had tore up a bar in San Lorenzo. This dude was bad to the bone, and drunker than drunk. Got him back to our base camp & put him in bed.

    In 1988 I chased a Light Fighter Ranger though the snow & thick woods to stop him from harming himself after having caught his spouse in bed with another soldier. This was a Domestic situation gone badly. He held both hostages at knife point until the Police arrived, and then fled on foot saying he would harm himself. Lucky for me he decided to turn himself over to me. He had the drop on me, and could have taken me out if he had wanted to.

    Lost two close friends who were pilots in the 160th to separate accidents. One who was depicted being shot down in the movie Black Hawk Down, and another in a training exercise. Both were great guys, who loved their families, loved to hunt, and will be truly missed.

    I have a close friend back in Texas whose son is a SEAL. He is deployed to Afghanistan right now, and I try and keep up with him as much as possible. I wish him and all the special operators I have known over the years well. I pray the Lord looks after them, and protects their families in their absence. The life they live is not for the faint of heart.

    Trinity +++


    Plan old Marine, But an Indian. When He got drunk You had better be somebody he Knows.

    He got drunk In Oceanside Got jumped in a Back Alley by 3 guys He left them In a Dumpster.

    Another time He got drunk on base and they called out the Guard on Him cause he wanted to go for a walk. Some idiot Officer decided he should not walk in the Direction he was going(He would not have Bothered anybody or any Property he was headed out in the Bush).


    Some of My Marines saw what was going on and came got me. I ordered him back to the Barracks and all he did was say "Yes Sgt" and went back to the Barracks.

    Officer did not press charges for not Obeying him cause a Sgt Handled it and he could not.[:o)]
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