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American Indians-free souls or free ride?
Red223
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How long do you all think U.S. tax payers should give American Indians free money, college, vehicles, housing...etc?
When should America finally say enough is enough if ever at all?
When should America finally say enough is enough if ever at all?
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Lord Lowrider the Loquacious.
Member:Secret Select Society of Suave Stylish Smoking Jackets
She was only a fisherman's daughter,
But when she saw my rod she reeled.
One of my biggest grievences is actually that we permit them to do what the state surrounding thier reservations cannot. It's kinda like they are somewhat under US control, and somewhat not.
Wonder how many Indians own full-autos? Who can bust them?
I'm really sick of the US having double-standards. I don't begrudge any race for making this so. They wanted equality... So do I!
As most of ya know I try to avoid political and religious issues, but this subject always fires me up!!!
The only reason Pataki and Ny State hassle them is cause their losing revenue, and they want their stinking fingers in their pockets! It's all about money!!! If the Indians are smart enough to make money and be successful under the guidelines drawn up by the U.S. Government, then so be it!!
As long as they police their own ranks and do not bother me I say leave them alone, they have been kicked around enough!!!
Oh did I ever mention that us Boogers have some Indian blood running thru our veins!!!
Kids that fish, hunt and trap have never mugged any old ladies!
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
Kids that fish, hunt and trap have never mugged any old ladies!
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
"Break the treaty, break the LAW"
I support it whole heartedly.
JOIN PETA! (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS) I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to have a salad and spring water!
now if they want to do something on the res. fine so be it.
but lets get rid of this double standard
The Chippewa Indians got to fish walleye any time of year they wanted.
The problem was, the walleye would make a run up the river in a certain month. This was when the whites could not fish. But, the Chippewa used big nets and they hauled walleye from the river by the hundreds of pounds.
A bunch of whites were demonstrating against what they saw as unfair advantage. They were shouting "Timber Ni**er! Timber Ni**er!" at the Indians.
I must say, having grown up in the South in the 50's and 60's, and always having heard about how bad my region was, for being racist, and how the Northerners were superior because they were kind to black people, it did my heart good to hear this chant. Put a Minnesota Yankee in a bind over his Walleye and he is ready to put on the hood, and burn a cross.
Kids that fish, hunt and trap have never mugged any old ladies!
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
them at night in bass boats using big lights , no limits [:(!] after they are done with a lake its shot for years to come
But if it did not happen, then I wouldn't have been born
Our original people, all supports of 2nd Amendant rights, are entitled to whatever they can get back. Remember, they owned it all in the beginning.[:)]
WOLF Clan
It must be right, or we wouldn't do it this way!
The lake is half in Pa, half in Ny, and most of the Ny end is on the new Indian Reservation! The Indians lease there land on the lake to whoever wants to camp there! No camping is allowed on the Pa, end of the lake except In the National Forest campgrounds!
That lake has been there for over 40 years, and the fishing is better on Indian end of the lake, if ya fish there ya must have a reservation license!!! They have done all right as far as Im concerned!! Personally I think most Indians respect wildlife much more than the average whiteman!!! Im sure there are always exceptions as in most races!!!
Kids that fish, hunt and trap have never mugged any old ladies!
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
That government had obligated its citizens and the indians to a treaty that was to last forever. At the time good terms for the government and bad terms for the indians. Too bad it's different now.
Now our indian neighbors have turned the treaty to their benefit and our government has forgotten that it's bound by treaty. Pretty interesting as far as I can see as there aren't any loopholes that might allow state taxation within the Seneca Nation.
For my own part, if I were a Seneca I think I'd probably put a barrier and a customs house right across Route 17 on both the east and west sides of the nation. I'd politely inform New York that any incursion onto reservation lands would be met with force if necessary. Then I'd back up my threat and prepare for a long standoff.
New York has time and again violated the terms of treaty. So have the indians. All I can say is that it would seem appropriate to go back to the exact terms of the agreement as written. The indians get exactly what was promised to them 220 years ago... No more and no less. New York stays out of indian affairs on the reservation. Cross the border and you'll be either under Seneca law or New York law.
Neither side has the right to cry now over a solemn agreement made two centuries ago. Both must abide by the terms set forth. No more and no less!
Nord
allowances. It shouldn't be a one way giveaway.
I think it's kind of like riding a Harley, if you haven't been there, it can't be explained to you. I try to be reasonable and see everyone's side of the story. If I live long enough maybe I can be a more understanding and kinder person.
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Whenever I see a cow eat grass, I am reminded that "This too shall pass."............ Baxter Black
81st FA BN WWII...Thanks Dad
U!S!A! ALL THE WAY!!
Red223,
Will you tell me where I can find information on this "FREE" stuff we are "GIVING" the Indians?
The gene pool needs chlorine.
CWatson
1.KILL EM' ALL AND LET ALLAH SORT EM' OUT!
2.NEVER WASTE MONEY ON SPRINGFIELD ARMORY!!
There are no bad guns, only bad people.
If you say the same thing over and over and over, do you eventually start to believe it yourself???
Once the Form 4 is signed off the usual procedures are in effect for transfer. If the indian resides in a state where NFA weapons are prohibited he has to figure out a way to get the firearm onto the reservation. Lets take California for example: IF approved for transfer the machinegun has to be picked up at a class 3 dealer in the purchasers home state. Exactly where is this going to be in California? There are Class 3 dealers here (beleive me I know) but the indian would need a state machinegun permit before the transfer could be approved-- and that is not going to happen. Even if all of this was over come the only place that such a machinegun could be possessed would be on the reservation itself, it could never be removed without falling under a violation of state law.
Mark T. Christian
trick me twice shame on me.
Will you tell me where I can find information on this "FREE" stuff we are "GIVING" the Indians?
Pickenup, I don't have a link, but it DOES exist... I've got a brother-in-law that is 1/16th seneca-cayuga and he gets lots of free stuff including free health care and scholarships. He's still getting these benefits even though his wife is now through school and is a practicing attorney. He's a smart guy and what he'll do after he graduates will show me what kind of person he is (will he stay on the program even though he and his wife are making a killing?)
The gene pool needs chlorine.
So the indians were living on our land. The question was what to do with them. The hope was that they would eventually shed their indian ways and become good middle class americans. To allow for this reservations were created. If you will read the indian treaties you will find that the indians broke treaties more readily that the U.S. The land that was set aside for reservations required that the indians do certain things, the land had obligations attached which the indians did not and never intended to do.
The U.S. citizens that claimed the indians were on their land were not kidding they had legigtimate claim to the land. And if the indians were in the way they should be removed.
Of course the indians had a legitimate claim of theie own. It was their land because of possession. Therefore you had two groups which had legitimate claims on the same space. The issue was settled as it always is in these cases, by war. We won, they lost. Why should we be apologetic about winning? We treated them better than they would have treated us. Indians did not grant reservations for their enemies.
rcdis
Thank you for peeling back the veil of BS surrounding this subject!
However, you should have done it in a more "touchy/feely" manner to avoid the flaming that will surely follow.
In all matters Indian,,,,, the truth is ignored for "compassion" sake and the white man is expected to shut up and pay up!
I've also met an Indian gentleman who was so completely in touch with life and the Earth, I had to marvel at his peacefulness as he negotiated a world of chaos.
That is my "touchy/feely" version, I toned it down so I would offend as few as possible.
AS for flaming, well so be it. After all I did not go into the genecide Indians practiced on each other.
rcdis
They need to quit living in the past.
This should meet with great disapproval, but the U.S. did not take any indian lands. What a bunch of bs? In the Treaty of Paris, which ended the Revolution, from Britain we got the original land we call the U.S., we got title to it from Britain, not indians. Louisiana we got from France, we paid for it, it became our land. Indians were living on our land. Texas we got from Texas, the southwest we got from Mexico, and the northwest was a divide between the U.S. and Britain. In each case we got the land according to our traditions. In Europe where land often was moved from one group to another, the opinions of the inhabitants were not an issue. The nation which ended up with the land, either through purchase or conquest owned the land. Which is the same way the Native Americans transfered land. When the Souix moved into the northern plains in the 1770's they did not ask the inhabitants if they could do so, they took the land by force. When the Commanches drove the Apaches out of northern Texas in the late 1600's and early 1700's they did not make accomodations or reservations for the Apaches.
So the indians were living on our land. The question was what to do with them. The hope was that they would eventually shed their indian ways and become good middle class americans. To allow for this reservations were created. If you will read the indian treaties you will find that the indians broke treaties more readily that the U.S. The land that was set aside for reservations required that the indians do certain things, the land had obligations attached which the indians did not and never intended to do.
The U.S. citizens that claimed the indians were on their land were not kidding they had legigtimate claim to the land. And if the indians were in the way they should be removed.
Of course the indians had a legitimate claim of theie own. It was their land because of possession. Therefore you had two groups which had legitimate claims on the same space. The issue was settled as it always is in these cases, by war. We won, they lost. Why should we be apologetic about winning? We treated them better than they would have treated us. Indians did not grant reservations for their enemies.
rcdis
WHAT???????????Where did you study History?The British had the Natives side with them...period,The Treaties of record at the time if memory serves was that the Natives Still had everything across the OHIO....In this way if I thru you and your s off YOUR property than I could sell it????HMMMMMM...Oh ya and firthur it was OUR great U,S. That left em the Black Hills and then broke that.......Tell you all what I say they should all stop whining as well.Why don't we just give em all fair market value and get it over with? You pay em wjay yours is worth if its on land that was illeagly taken....As for the raping etc...Yes it happened however many tribes learned a good deal of this from the whites....Remeber those that came as early as ericck the red?And after him even they took natives back the french did,the english...there was plenty wrong to go round....passing out measles blankets etc on reservations......the list is endless......
longhunter--I have a lot of respect for Seminole heritage for that reason.
Thanks! I too......
They should have become good productive Americans like the rest of us....much like Hitler expected his conquered people to be???They can't live the way they want but gays etc can??/Now I am confused.......anyhow,I am at least a bit calmer at this point.....and tell me all just how does all this affect the tribe that DID NOT SURRENDER? Just curious...L.H.
If force ain't work'n... Your not use'n nough of it.
I know the spelling is bad but guess what I DON'T CARE