Lowest 'land baron' posting procedure ever..

rcrxmike_2

Went out spotting again tonite, just to nail down what we were gonna do tomorrow. It's Blane's first hunt, and after overcoming a last minute trip to Dave's Gun Shop of Eldred, PA (Dave is fantastic, and dropped what he was doing as the light was waning for nailing it in, thus saving the boy's hunt) for the replacement of a defective scope, and Pa Booger's donation of a few loads for the single shot Rossi, as it took 17 to get it 'on', we scarfed down a rockin dinner that the ol' lady whipped up, (big ol ham, and her first crack at ham gravy, mmmm), and headed out in the Ranger to do our 'loop'.

Now, I have no problem with folks posting their land, especially as Moody Hollow is 'flatlander central', what really, really REALLY pi$$ed me off was the fact that they waited til 4 pm on the DAY before hunting season to do it.

I have started my hunting season for, oh, the last 7 years in this particular spot. there was an old abandoned blind there that at one time was nice. Last year, I took the boy there, and overtaken by boredom, we cleaned the porky chit out of it, cleaned up the 25 years of pop cans up and made it pretty nice...only to have some 'mine mine mine' land grabber post the only access to it.

I am one of those people who, as they are walking through the woods, picks up every little piece of 'non' natural debris I come across and packs it out with me.

So mr budweiser 'real men of genius' land baron.....my holiday wish for you is scrotal cancer......

Jacob2008

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Lightning

Kinda like some of the city slickers around here.
Buy 5 or 10 acres of land and post 200.

Doc

Private property is private property and being on someone's land without permission is trespassing whether it's posted or not. Really should ask permission before hunting someone else's land.

Cyclonus

quote:Originally posted by rcrxmike_2
Went out spotting again tonite, just to nail down what we were gonna do tomorrow. It's Blane's first hunt, and after overcoming a last minute trip to Dave's Gun Shop of Eldred, PA (Dave is fantastic, and dropped what he was doing as the light was waning for nailing it in, thus saving the boy's hunt) for the replacement of a defective scope, and Pa Booger's donation of a few loads for the single shot Rossi, as it took 17 to get it 'on', we scarfed down a rockin dinner that the ol' lady whipped up, (big ol ham, and her first crack at ham gravy, mmmm), and headed out in the Ranger to do our 'loop'.

Now, I have no problem with folks posting their land, especially as Moody Hollow is 'flatlander central', what really, really REALLY pi$$ed me off was the fact that they waited til 4 pm on the DAY before hunting season to do it.

I have started my hunting season for, oh, the last 7 years in this particular spot. there was an old abandoned blind there that at one time was nice. Last year, I took the boy there, and overtaken by boredom, we cleaned the porky chit out of it, cleaned up the 25 years of pop cans up and made it pretty nice...only to have some 'mine mine mine' land grabber post the only access to it.

I am one of those people who, as they are walking through the woods, picks up every little piece of 'non' natural debris I come across and packs it out with me.

So mr budweiser 'real men of genius' land baron.....my holiday wish for you is scrotal cancer......



Now I know your from PA lol this happens all the freaking time here god is it ever irritating. Hence why there are more and more roadhunters anymore. We had a problem with a guy posting ground that wasnt his He posted some of our land and even put a treestand on it. Last year while he was in it not only did I leave a steaming pile of crap at the bottom of his stand that was on our land. I also took down all of his posted signs then waited until he left and promptly cut the straps on his treestand and threw his ladder down a hill into the jagger bushes. (dont get mad get even)

rcrxmike_2

quote:Originally posted by SaxonPig
Private property is private property and being on someone's land without permission is trespassing whether it's posted or not. Really should ask permission before hunting someone else's land.


You are correct, saxon, private means private. however, i have shoveled walks and driveways for these folks, (elderly homeowners bordering this thing), anonomously donate to the church whose lot i parked in for nearly 10 years, (enjoying a steaming cup of coffe with the parson's wife after digging her car out of the ditch and the pulling it back on the road at 5:30 am first day of buck a couple of years ago.) had this * not done it on the day before opening of gun season, i'd have treated him just like the others in the neighborhood...asked permission, and then dropped of a gift certificate at the local market, case of beer, and/or a mailed thak you card from me and my boy, complete with pic......

this guy is just a dick.

ladams

In the area of PA where I hunt if it is not posted it means nobody cares if you hunt there. Some of the places there nobody even really knows who owns the places, even the court records are 10 years out of date.

Wolf.

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Private property is just that.

Why didn't you ask permission a couple weeks prior to your hunt? And, if not that, why didn't you drive over to the guy's house (you said you know him) and simply ask his permission, because he's "a dick" and you knew what his answer would be? Your lack of planning doesn't make this guy an evil land baron.

People come on my place I don't know get met by me and my shotgun. I'm easy to get along with, but no notice = "WTH you doin' here!?"

These people are not "Land Barons". They worked long and hard for what they have and will (hopefully) spill their blood to keep it from becoming socialized. I remember some bicyclists coming onto the ranch and being told to leave. They looked around and said, "It's obscene for one person to own this much land." My response is, "That's fine, I'll buy your monkey-dog butt a ticket to Cuba so you can hang with like-minded people if you guarantee me that you'll never come back!"

jwb267

wolf, i must agree with you 100%. it always pizzed me off to going through a piece of woods and to find somebody huntting without permission.what gives people the right to think they can go were they want? that is the reason today that most farmers will not allow people to hunt their property. we have sheep killed, fence cut corn fields destroyed and ouy huntting camp torn up. yea buddy, that really wants me to let people hunt

1911a1-fan

quote:i have shoveled walks and driveways for these folks, (elderly homeowners bordering this thing), anonomously donate to the church whose lot i parked in for nearly 10 years, (enjoying a steaming cup of coffe with the parson's wife after digging her car out of the ditch and the pulling it back on the road at 5:30 am first day of buck a couple of years ago.)


so did you take the opportunity at one of these times to say "by the way i trespass on your land and kill your deer"?, or does chivalry just give you the unspoken right?

SCorvers

I'm with Saxon and Wolf on this one.
Mike, maybe your'e the dick for not asking permission to hunt property someone else owns. Sounds to me like your'e trying to homestead.

swamp_thing

For many years I hunted and fished on a very regular basis. I never hunted or fished on a piece of land I did not have prior permission for. I can also tell you that from all the people (read that farmers) that I ever ask covering a three county area I was only told no once, and I respected that denial. I would always go before the start of hunting season or fishing season, depending on which I was preparing for and physically ask permission to use their land. Most every time I was granted that permission on the basis that I had actually taken the time to ask rather than just go without asking. There were countless acres of land that I could hunt and fish that everyone else was ran off of simply due to the consideration of asking first. Many farmers would go so far as to say that I was the only one around that actually took the effort to ask, therefore, I would be granted permission and if I saw anyone else there tell them this is private property and they must leave.
My point to all this is simply that land owners are not the jerks they are painted to be. People with no respect for land owners make them what they are. Want to use someone else's property, ask first. Then, when they do say yes, leave it as you found it. Don't drive on crops, don't tear down fences and don't leave your trash. Simple consideration will get you much farther than anything else. Dave

Doc

rcrxMike- Have you gone and asked permission? Even with a sign up it costs nothing to ask. If you have hunted the land previously and been responsible the owner might grant permission and you're golden. Sometimes property owners post their land to keep slobs out but are receptive to those who do it right and ask (each year, don't assume permission once given is forever).

But calling people names for exercising their property rights is just wrong. I understand you were disappointed but are there better ways to deal with the situation.

Big Sky Redneck

I am so fed up with Pennsylvania that I will NEVER buy another hunting license in this state again. Part of it is the PAGC whom I hope becomes bankrupt, part of it is the ongoing genocide against the deer on public grounds because DCNR wants to preserve state lands for logging and wants the deer GONE, part of it is the allowance of rich city slickers to have PRIVATE camps on public state owned ground, another part is the rich city slickers who have priced our lands here so dang high that unless you make $300,000 or better you will NEVER own ground here and these people come in and buy up every piece of land they can get their hands on and either build retreats for city dwellers or plant houses on them thus destroying the land forever. For us common folks who are pretty much forced to hunt public grounds because the money dictates who will hunt where it is frustrating to watch hunting spots we have enjoyed for all our lives beaome infested with fancy car driving snobs, other lands we enjoyed becoming posted to everyone because of the city people tresspassing and now the local landowners will no longer allow hunting to anyone outside of their family, you know what, screw PA, I am slowly becoming part of the anti hunting crowd here in PA because of the problems listed above. I have a job right now making $100,000+ a year and I still cannot afford to buy good land for hunting so next spring I am going to board this house up or sell it to a large family of Mexicans ands I am moving west where the state population is lower than the population of the city of Philly!

Angry and frustrated in PA [:(!]

tapwater

...Kind of on subject...When I bought 80 acres in MO, the real estate agent advised painting a purple ring around fenceposts and trees. I'd never heard of it, but it's supposed to denote private property. I got a couple angry calls from locals that thought it was rude for a Yankee to buy land and post it. There's always been an absentee owner, so I guess they got used to using the land as their own.
...I smoothed things over, gave hunting permission and have a neighbor grazing cattle on the property.
...Back on subject....I feel you should have asked permission well in advance of hunting season. That means asking every year, and dropping off some meat, a pie or whatever. It's too easy to ask once, and think that you have lifetime permission, unless it's on a handshake or in writing.

tapwater

....Saxon beat me to the "ask every year" part. Couldn't agree more.

swamp_thing

As an addition to my earlier post I would like to add a bit of information. First off, I am originally from Nebraska, and this is where I base my knowledge as to asking permission. We are currently living in Georgia, close to the the coastal area. Here the land is almost all owned by paper companies and is leased to hunters or fisherman. What land is not owned by them is posted and seems no one gets permission to use it. When you ask you are told that the owner is sick of everyone simply going on their land without permission and so is now denying use to everyone. So, having said this, it may be only a matter of time before this trend moves throughout our whole country. Sad that lack of consideration by many is going to ruin it for all. Dave

Azhunter

Guess I'm lucky, Az. is mostly Nat. forest so we don't have these problems. Of course we don't have the animal populations either, but I guess you can't have everything.

tapwater

...Azhunter...National Forest is right across the creek from my land. I think that's part of the problem. No respect for boundry lines.

select-fire

Posted or not ,, what gives you the right to walk or hunt on another mans property without permission? And you want to put the blame on them? Get real. Ask before hunting anyones property. Not this ,, I didn't know I couldn't hunt it....

AZEX

We used to put laminated permission letters inside the walls of our treestands when I was a lad in PA.

The spoilsports, cheaters and trespassers would just tear down the whole treestand instead of waiting for me or the old man to come and kick them out of the treestand that WE had built during the summer.

Scabs. Mostly Citiots from PGH.

D.

elkoholic

Here in CO the private need not be posted or even fenced to get a ticket. Good news is we have lots of public land.

TrinityScrimshaw

I hunt 50 acres of family owned land in NY's Southern Tier every fall. The first few years of owning it we didn't post it. We had to ask folks to leave the land every year, mostly because they were riding their ATV's through the property. After that we posted it, and each year we still catch someone sitting in one of our stands. This past week I caught a fellow from an adjoining piece of land sitting in a stand I wanted to put my daughter in. When I asked him to please leave he stated "I thought no one ever sat in this stand". He got out walked about 40 yards got on an ATV he used to ride up to the area, and left. The ATV being in the woods is what upset me the most. The deer in our area know what an ATV means, and they bug out quickly when they hear one.

Trinity +++

agman1999

You'd be really pissed about what we did a few years ago. My uncle didn't have a problem with people hunting on his ground, as long as they asked, and he never posted anything. One local guy never asked, and got snotty the first time we came across him on the place. He was told that he didn't have permission, and never would. The third time we caught him, we didn't confront him. Went to town, bought a "No Tresspassing" sign, and hung it next to the entrance he had used, then called the sheriff to run him off.

We spent the next week painting fence posts purple. Only two people, other than family, have permission to be on any of the property.

Ask for permission every year, pay for a lease, or hunt public ground. Hunting may be a god-given right, but trespassing isn't.

tapwater

..agman, and others....Is the purple paint thing been around a long time? I thought my real estate guy was joshing me at first, but it seems to be recognized around those parts.

pistoljim

quote:Originally posted by tapwater
..agman, and others....Is the purple paint thing been around a long time? I thought my real estate guy was joshing me at first, but it seems to be recognized around those parts.


The purple paint law has been in effect since 1993 here in MO.
I believe ARK. has the same law.

As far as posting signs the day before the season, it does not matter
when or if signs are posted, no permission= trespassing.

dheffley

I guess as a land owner I would have posted it long ago so there was no misunderstanding, but as a hunter, I would have gotten permission a long time ago too. Tough one, and I'm sorry for your son's disappointment.

Try talking to the land owner and see if he'll reconsider.

Laws here in Texas are different. All private land is off limits wheather it's posted or not. You cannot cross or set foot on anyones land without permission. I kind of like it that way.

JamesRK

In Virginia if the land is not posted you have to have verbal permission to hunt on it. If the land is posted you have to have written permission.

A J Christ

quote:Originally posted by SaxonPig
Private property is private property and being on someone's land without permission is trespassing whether it's posted or not. Really should ask permission before hunting someone else's land.


Exactly!

As a landowner I get real hot, real quick about someone hunting on my land without asking. If they ask, well I can't remember turning anyone down ever.

dolfan

Me thinks it was * r Done that posted all those signs.

iluvguns

quote:Me thinks it was * r Done that posted all those signs

One way to confirm that. Were all the words spelled correctly on the signs? If so, it wasn't him. [:o)][:D]

thunderbolt

Let me tell you, it is no fun to walk out into your own yard and be confronted by 3 or 4 armed strangers who think they have a "right" to hunt on your property.

pabooger

quote:a year and I still cannot afford to buy good land for hunting so next spring I am going to board this house up or sell it to a large family of Mexicans ands I am moving west where the state population is lower than the population of the city of Philly!

Angry and frustrated in PA

Now how many times have we heard that!!![:D]

pabooger

Mike, most of these responses are from people who live in states such as Texas, where it's darn near impossible to hunt on public land, everything is done on a hunting ranch or lease!!

Pa. has millions of acres of free public land for people to hunt. Hundreds of thousands of acreas owned by the big timber companies who encourage you to hunt on their property!

Im just thankful we still live in a State that recognizes the importance of public land that can be shared by everybody,, instead of just the wealthy land barons!!!

As far as Sax goes, he's never hunted a day in his life!!!

guntech59

I hunt two farms that I ask permission to hunt every year. I ask alot of owners for permission to hunt their land and have been told "NO" more times than "YES". I respect that. To people that complain about others posting their land, I ask them what they would do if it was their land.

In NY it is trespassing even if it is not posted unless you have permission. There are no liability issues with giving permission for people to hunt your land unless you charge them to hunt, then it becomes a business and you must have liability insurance, etc...

I always ask for permission WELL before the season ends and try to talk to the others that hunt that land so we don't trip over each other (or shoot each other) while we're hunting.

Just seems like commons sense and decency to me.

iluvguns

quote:Im just thankful we still live in a State that recognizes the importance of public land that can be shared by everybody

If that's the case, then what's the problem? Can't Mike find public land to hunt on? Hunting on private property without permission is just plain wrong.

rcrxmike_2

People read the ENTIRE Post...

It's not the fact that it WAS POSTED, IT"S THE FACT THAT A)ONLY PART OF WHAT IS POSTED UNDER HIS NAME IS OWNED BY THE POSTER. (THE LAND THAT HE PUT HIS BUDDIES CAMPER ON ISN'T HIS, IT'S COLLIN'S PINE..(oPEN TO PUBLIC HUNTING BUT NOW INACCESSIBLE)
B)INSTEAD OF POSTING IT WHEN SOMEONE COULD ASK, HE WAITED UNTIL NEAR DARK THE NIGHT BEFORE OPENING. (WE HUNTED THE ADJOINING PROPERY FOR A BIT TODAY...LONG ENOUGH TO SEE SOMEONE DROP A DOE FROM HIS BACK PORCH....(YOUR HOUSE OR NOT, YOU GOTTA BE 150 FEET FROM AN OCCUPIED DWELLING, PLUS THE CAMPER IS AN OCCUPIED DWELLING IN ITSELF)

THUNDERBOLT...This isn't a 'yard' it's a former agricultural field that is unused now, bordered by an oil lease and a timber company.

AJ....would have gladly asked permission, had the posting not been done basically under cover of darkness

agman...no I wouldn't have been pissed....and I damned sure wouldn't have gotten snotty. want an illustration? Few years ago i was hunting with permission on some land. heard a shot. deer ran up to me and stopped. dispatched him, and dressed it (little wound low on the deer) 2nd... Kid, maybe 17-18, came up and said..."oh you got him. I took a running shot". told the kid that I'd flip him for it. he won the toss but didn't know it. I said 'you win'. couple of hours later the caretaker of the land drove up to me and said " how ya makin out?" Told him the story. he said 'that was you? that was my kid you flipped for the deer...you really do that? Told him yeah, and he said 'bud, you hunt here any time you want. park over by my garage".

D heff... I didn't tresspass. actually the part of the field that he's got his posted sign that I use to get to 'our spot' on the timber company's land belongs to the church...I have permission, but why have a hassel with him?


Select..read above...

Saxon...read above.....

ladams....that was the deal before 4pm Sunday.....

1911....I got some chivalry for ya. read above....do you really wanna do this with me?


Wolf. don't know ya. no one was socializing this guys land. He basically cut off access to 'free land' by adding a couple of signs beyond his property line. (let me draw you a mental pic...SOME of the land between him and the 'FREE' land is his. he has no signs on the side entry to the propery, as it's not his.) So he'll be bleeding and dying for Bob's property, (who is not happy with this guy's initiative).


Scorvers....Read above. get the picture, Rich?

for the REALLY SLOW......


can hunt here and above permission and open to hunting

someone else owns this, but this guy dropeed posted sign on another guy's property

open field here________________________V

Mr 'real man of genius'land
V

road here_____________/___________________________/___________

bottom line...land is posted that doesn't belong to the poster, thus sealing public away from open hunting lands, (if they don't do their homework)

thanks for the opinions. I don't trespass. and oh how i wished a couple of you lived closer.....

bhale187

yeah, it really pisses me off when someone tells me I can't use their property, commie bastages!!

swamp_thing

Mike, not to be difficult here, but I did go back and re-read your posts. Neither of them said that the land you were crossing belonged to the Church, nor that it was not his land to post. You did say that the parking lot you use is the Church lot. Thus, the assumption was that you parked in the Church lot then crossed over his land to get to the spot you hunted. I am sure you knew it was Church land or someone elses, but given the information we all had to base this on, you did lead one to believe that it was in fact his land.
If it isn't his to post, then he can go pack sand. I have no personal beef with you or anyone else. My statements stand that I don't see the reasoning in anyone hunting land or crossing land without prior permission. From you last post it appears that you already had that. If in fact that is so, then you have no problems really. One cannot post what is not his to post legally, right? Dave

rcrxmike_2

crap, must have screwed that paragraph up in first post. no matter. I'm one of those poeple who basically just doesn't care who goes where on my stuff, as long as they aren't tearin it up....

as the first post DID say, it wasn't that he posted it, it was how it was done . for years, the land separating the road from collis company was one of those deals where the folks there just didn't really care. this deal is just to keep an entire, 'free' hillside hard to get to, thus saving deer for one guy...

swamp_thing

I agree that the timing on his part was terrible and probably intentional as well. Hopefully this will all work out for you and the boy for future hunts. Also, if the camper is on collins pine you may have some recourse there to make life a bit uncomfortable for him. Dave