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I'm a relic of a bygone era.

bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
edited August 2003 in General Discussion
I've never had a problem that my trusty moral compass couldn't lead me out of. I know it is no longer stylish to see right and wrong as black and white. Everything now a days is debatable and gray. I'm just not wired that way.
Well, the other day I found a nice gun that I wanted on the auction site. Another member had mentioned a possible interest in such an item , so I posted it to him to give him the option of buying it. At that time a third member who read the post went and bought the gun. Now in my old fashioned way of looking at things, if I said I was buying it unless the other guy wanted it, that puts it in the "forget about it" category for anyone else. As I said, a third party read my post and bought it before I had a response from the other guy. He says its the G.B. way to get the gun regardless and thanks for the tip.
My little compass says that ain't right. Is it true that you guys would go behind someone's back to get a gun that they had found and you knew they were intending to buy? Am I that much of a dinosaur that thinking a man's words should be a binding bond that other's should respect.
I feel a little disillusioned. I thought this place was a refuge from the 'screw you for a buck' world. Guess I'm even more of a relic than I thought.

Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
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  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You are, but don't change. If my word isn't good I've accomplished nothing in life. I also have a pretty good memory of being done wrong.
  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    BDJ-
    Pardon me for butting in here but I fail to see the difference between these auctions & an oral auction.
    Would you expect no one else to bid at an oral auction after you placed a bid?
    I'm not flaming just curious as to where you draw the line & why.
    [?][?]barto

    Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.-JFK
  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    There isn't barto,however for the "old Fashioned"it id plain.Just as in the old days my friends would "have my back" and I KNEW they did,never a doubt.This is the "selfless"act of a very moral person,not the "selfish" act of a modern person.And if I knew someone as a friend or whatever at a oral auction was bidding on something,I would at least talk to them about it brfore the buying began.I know you didn't ask me to explainit,I really felt compelled to anyhow.
    BDJ a dying breed?Yes it is unfortunate but WE are,please though ,do not change.YOu are ok in my book bud and I thank you,for being you,and you are not completely alone.....L.H.
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Under certain conditions I may buy a gun out from under someone I like just because of the devil in me but I would send it to him shipping free if he wanted it. To me it would be a good joke. I of course know about what you are talking about Big Daddy so don't worry about it and don't even think about changing.
  • TOOLS1TOOLS1 Member Posts: 6,133
    edited November -1
    I suspected you were a relic[:D] At least the guy could have asked if you two wanted it first.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    I dont think what the guy did was ethical, but, there are no friends at an auction. also it is against the law at an auction that you attend, to have you and your friend agree not to bid against each other, (do it before you get there) it is called PRICE FIXING, not bidding against another person to keep the price lower is wrong..

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  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    Respect both you and your compass big guy, but I do see a problem here. By commenting on the purchase plan here it's the same if you were in a local cafe.

    I'd bet you would have friends there who would respect your thoughts. At the same time, there would also be some there who were not concerned about your friendship.

    A lesson learned?

    If I'm not mistaken, didn't this happen to someone else here just recently? May have been Saxon? Not sure, but he'll let us know.
  • Brth729Brth729 Member Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm not saying it was right, I personally wouldn't have done it, but it sounds to me like the-if he wants it I gotta' have it syndrome. Seen this a couple times before and it always amazes me, because nine times out of ten the person who ends up getting it didn't even want or need it in the first place.

    It's a dog-eat-dog world...and nine times out of ten I have on Milk-Bone underwear.
  • oldgunneroldgunner Member Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It's a bit difficult to see only black and white in this one, since it depends on the view point. BDJ, I'm on your side, I believe in 100% fairness, but the seller would no doubt see fairness from another angle. The winning bidder will have to seek his own answer and judge himself.

    There are no bad guns, only bad people.
  • bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    It had a buy it now price and no bids really.It had 4.5 days to run. The post I made was to one individual by name, so I feel like my mail was read to obtain information used to screw me with. I can live with a weasel in the hen house,but to be told it is the way of the forum blew my mind a little. Been stewing about it since. I figured the only way to redemption was for the guy to sell it to the postee or me for the buy it now price. Didn't happen, so I bought myself a Kimber to cheer me up. The first gun I ever bought that didn't get my heart beating a little faster and its a real nice pistol.
    No fear of changing this old dog.I'm still the kind of fool that spends an entire day tracking down the owner of a wallet with hundreds of dollars in it then goes home and worries cause I missed a day of work and can't pay the bills.
    Its funny that Rosie mentioned buying the gun and shipping it to the other guy as a joke.That was my original intent, but I thought it was presumptuous since the other guy never actually bid on it yet.
    Lesson learned? Yes, I've learned that there are weasels everywhere and they are multiplying like...eh...ah..Weasels!

    Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    An intelligent man would have bought the GARAND at the buy it now price and then would have contacted the one he felt was interested in it to see if they wanted to purchase it. If the other party you contacted was not interested in the GARAND you would then be the proud owner of the GARAND. What do you think GB is your private little gun store? Call me want you want, your opinion of me means diddly. You snoozed you lose. Like I suggested to you before, chalk it up as a lesson learned. Living in a bygone era might suit you fine but you might also think bout taking off your rose colored glasses.

    Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bigdaddy:

    The SOB deserves to go head down in a barrel of vinegar. [}:)]

    He'll get his---you keep yours.

    Clouder..
  • bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    Your Honors, I rest my case.[:D]

    Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    I knew Clouder was Rosie. Bite me. Y'all live in a dream world. I'll send you some nice pictures of the rifle. That is if ya stop crying long enough.[:p]

    Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.
  • whiteclouderwhiteclouder Member Posts: 10,574 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pawnman:

    Rosie can't be me, he ain't got enough stars. Off with your head, brigand.[:D]

    Clouder..
  • daddodaddo Member Posts: 3,408
    edited November -1
    I have a little rent house next to my house and it was up for rent. A young girl came by and put a $250.00 deposit on it and signed the papers that explained that if she didn't go thru with the deal within 7 days, the money was not returnable. I didn't hear from her in a month, at which time she came over and said she had changed her mind and wanted her money back. I'm out $500.00 rent for a month and showed her the contract that stated the money was mine. She looked sadly and began walking to her little old car with a 4 year old in it (a broken home sittuation) and I just couldn't do it! I called her back and wrote her a check for the amount and an extra $100.00 bucks for good luck.Now I'm out $850.00, but I felt better when I heard she had been living out of that little car with that child and she was able to use the xtra $100.00 bucks to get to her parents home 2,000 miles away. That $250.00 was all the money she had. She had pride and wouldn't ask her parents for help! Her job offer fell thru and she was stuck. This I found out from a letter from her months later!
    To do the right thing won't hurt anyone. Be honest, fair, and neat things happen. Money isn't evil, it's those who make it their God!
  • outdoortexasoutdoortexas Member Posts: 4,780
    edited November -1
    I know you're not asking for a pat on the back daddo, you got more than that I'm sure from the smile on her face. But, here's to ya anyway! [;)]
  • cletus85cletus85 Member Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I agree, what happened was not right. This is a little off but, this happened to me. I was at my local gun dealer that I have bought from for over 15yrs, and a guy needing money but knowledgeable of firearms, had a stainless mini 14 and a Leupold Vari X III scope on it. The dealer acted as if he were not that interested and gave him the old song and dance that used scopes were a hard sell and didn't add a lot to the value. I mentioned to him that I would be interested in the scope if he didn't sell it to the dealer. I out of respect to my dealer, didn't offer anything and the deal was going down in there store. Long story short, he offered the $400 for the scope and rifle, he took it, obviously desperate for cash. The guy left and I said "how much for the scope, I'll give you $250 for it." The dealer said I think it's worth more than that and I have someone looking for one. Moral of the story if my dealer lied to him, he'll lie to me in my opinion and I should have made the offer.
  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Sounds like some cheap * pawn broker stunt to me!!!![:p]

    pacamo

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  • longhunterlonghunter Member Posts: 3,242
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by interstatepawnllc
    An intelligent man would have bought the GARAND at the buy it now price and then would have contacted the one he felt was interested in it to see if they wanted to purchase it. If the other party you contacted was not interested in the GARAND you would then be the proud owner of the GARAND. What do you think GB is your private little gun store? Call me want you want, your opinion of me means diddly. You snoozed you lose. Like I suggested to you before, chalk it up as a lesson learned. Living in a bygone era might suit you fine but you might also think bout taking off your rose colored glasses.

    Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.
    And we wonder where the ME first attitude comes from........And we all learn...how little,and petty man has become..?Nothing illegal was done,absolutly I agree but I'd rather have someone speak highly of my integrity than to be able to "brag" about what a good business man I am....Just my opinion... and no,no one thinks GB is there own gunstore,duh.
  • cletus85cletus85 Member Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What I should say is ex-dealer, for local trades I'm going to another dealer that I've known for 5 yrs. Though, I've bought less, he treats me better and has a no BS policy for transfers, the other dealer gave me the run a roun on that too.
  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If I want to "notify" another user that there is something out there they might be interested in, I would think it would be much more appropriate to send that user a personal e-mail, rather than post the message in a "public" place. Seems obvious to me that posting it where anyone can see it, you are advertising to others the merchandise in question. I suppose if the message was intended for a member who I might have some type of repor with, I might ask them "If you arent interested in it, Id like to put a bid down." But if it was someone I had no connection with, or worst yet, demonstrated what a creep they are(ex-the "sniper" in question),I probably would put the bid down, if it was something I was interested in. But it certainly is in poor taste to go and brag about the deed, to rub it in ones face, after the fact-but that should be expected from the person we are speaking of.

    One other thing, there is no such thing as a "personal" message to another member, if that message is posted on the board. If you want the message to be private, then send them a private message.

    "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once"
    -David Hume
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    Salzo, I still say your a waste of good panties.

    Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pabooger
    Sounds like some cheap * pawn broker stunt to me!!!![:p]

    pacamo

    To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!






    Sounds like capitalism to me ignoramus.[:p]

    Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.
  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Thats why we don't let pawn shops in Pa! Butthead!!![:p]

    pacamo

    To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Big Daddy, I would not have bid, or if I really, really could not resist, I would have let you know I planned to bid. I agree with Outdoortexas and Salzo even with one name on it, you posted it in a cafe, just one with poor service on the coffee. An e-mail would have been the way to go. Sorry, this was like going in to a public auction and calling "dibs on the Colt!" You could hardly consider it yours without even bidding. The buyer was not neighborly, I agree, so best keep your council until you are sure of your neighbors. I have posted a message to Saxonpig that got over 100 readers, and my writing is not good enough to bring Saxon back more than three or four times to appreciate my talent. Keep your moral compass pointed where it is, but use e-mail next time.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pabooger
    Thats why we don't let pawn shops in Pa! Butthead!!![:p]

    pacamo

    To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!






    Blah blah blah blah blah, congrats blowhard, you managed yet another post to your number count. I ever there was a little man who loved to see posts on the big screen. No more gloves mister.

    Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.
  • interstatepawnllcinterstatepawnllc Member Posts: 9,390
    edited November -1
    "dibs on the Colt!" Well put Hedog. I am gonna tell why I bought the GARAND from under you BDJ. Your post reeked of the control you think you have about everthing and everyone around you. Yeah I have read most of your posts about how BDJ does this and BDJ does that and how nobody gets in BDJ's way. I think it's great you have the best voice since George Jones and you want to record another album before you get to old. Even the law makes a big path for you, must be nice. I am sorry your local gun shop sold that firearm to his RELATIVE over you. Look pally, you might be the BIG DOG in your little neck of the woods but in cyberspace we are all the same size. Let me refresh your memory about your post on GB. Something like, "Hey Rosie, take a look at this beauty on auction right now. I'll give ya 24 hrs to buy it. If you don't buy it you will have to come over to my house to see it." Just how arrogant and full of yourself are you anyway? So you did'nt get your toy but hey thats OK you went out and bought a new Kimber to deal with the pain of your loss. Pain that came from the loss of the GARAND? No, pain from your loss of CONTROL. Deal with it.

    Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.
  • trooperchintrooperchin Member Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I stand with Hedog on this one while i can see where BDJ is coming from.

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  • salzosalzo Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by interstatepawnllc
    "dibs on the Colt!" Well put Hedog. I am gonna tell why I bought the GARAND from under you BDJ. Your post reeked of the control you think you have about everthing and everyone around you. Yeah I have read most of your posts about how BDJ does this and BDJ does that and how nobody gets in BDJ's way. I think it's great you have the best voice since George Jones and you want to record another album before you get to old. Even the law makes a big path for you, must be nice. I am sorry your local gun shop sold that firearm to his RELATIVE over you. Look pally, you might be the BIG DOG in your little neck of the woods but in cyberspace we are all the same size. Let me refresh your memory about your post on GB. Something like, "Hey Rosie, take a look at this beauty on auction right now. I'll give ya 24 hrs to buy it. If you don't buy it you will have to come over to my house to see it." Just how arrogant and full of yourself are you anyway? So you did'nt get your toy but hey thats OK you went out and bought a new Kimber to deal with the pain of your loss. Pain that came from the loss of the GARAND? No, pain from your loss of CONTROL. Deal with it.

    Ted Kennedy's breath has killed more people than my car.


    So what you are saying, is you bought the gun to be vindictive, or to teach BDJ a lesson. Thats a good reason to buy a gun.

    "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once"
    -David Hume
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Even though Big Daddy is one of my favorite people and I can't find anything to fight with him about AND I totally agree with his morals, there are and will be lots of Garands for sale. No reason for anyone to get upset. (did i say that?!) BD and IP go to your rooms and for the rest of you just ask Clouder what will happen If I have to sit on you!!
    I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS! ROSIE THE PEACE MAKER?
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  • paboogerpabooger Member Posts: 13,953
    edited November -1
    Gloves who needs gloves, don't let anything but the fear of God and common sense hold ya back dirtbag! You rank further down my list than Faldum, and the rest of the trolls on here! Your so low you can crawl under the belly of a snake!

    pacamo

    To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
    This was the Ancient law of Youth
    Old times are past, old times are done:
    But the Law runs true, O little son!
  • bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    ISP, I purposefully did not mention any names in this post to avoid this kind of thing. Less than a handfull of people even read the Garand post so until you announced yourself here no-one knew who I was speaking of. Why you chose to do so I can't fathom. I was trying to find out the unwritten rules of the forum as relate to information about ongoing auctions.
    I'm sorry to hear that my posting about my little ups and downs has been such a burden for you to bear. The ease with which I conduct my affairs has nothing to do with control. It has to do with a mutual respect between myself and those I deal with. My small neck of the woods as you call it covers most of the eastern seaboard. I never claimed to sing better than "The Possum". I said I could entertain folks. I'm more like "Howling Wolf" if you've ever heard of him. Anyway you seem to be upsetting yourself needlessly.
    Also, I got the Colt and an apology so there ya weasel.[:D][;)]

    Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
  • RosieRosie Member Posts: 14,525 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Uhh Pa. You mean snail.
  • 92Z92Z Member Posts: 57 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Bigdaddyjunior I feel for you. I watch this fourm although I do not post. (when I once posted Interstatepawnjerk jumped right on me with personal insults. I guess because he did not like my opinion.) I hold you Bigdaddyjunior in Highest reguard. I can also say with confidince that the senior member who invited me to this fourm does also.

    As for you interstatepawnjerk. In a free society you are allowed to do as you please. Yet, in civil society you have been judged to be a selfish, selfpromoting, greedy shrew. I have no respect for anyone who would pray upon the misfourtunes of people for profit. As usual, your self-imposed grandiose pontifcation has led us to realize your actions have shown you to be inefectual and juvinel not to mention that you have chosen to be rude and calous to other people you have had the privelidge to converse with. Your inability to treat the other members of this forum as citizens and fellow comrads is likened to a mother eating her young. The people you hurt are not here for your torture nore pleasure in playing at a human form.

    Be a person and not the neophite you pose to assume, get out of the habit of being the jerk we've come to avoid and distain.
    92Z
  • redcedarsredcedars Member Posts: 919 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Illustrated here is the difference between enlightened self-interest and short-sighted greed.

    The theoretical framework of our society includes the notion that we can rely on self-interest as a motivating force. But some can't see beyond the end of their own nose. Do you really benefit if you take advantage of another in the process? Or have you made the world just a little bit uglier place to be? Have you reduced yourself to just another jackal? How would you feel if you were in the other person's shoes, and got the short end of the stick? Isn't the real difference between humanity and the animal kingdom the capacity to see beyond the apparent immediate benefit and the ultimate consequences? Or is "dog eat dog" the ultimate ethic of survival, and observance of the Golden Rule the mark of evolutionary stupidity?

    bigdaddy, despite the less than subtle inference that it was stupid of you to post this message on the forum, where any sh**head who happened to come along could see it and take advantage, you are really guilty only of naivete. The ugly fact is that the world is full of folks who don't see beyond the end of their own nose, and anyone who does needs to keep their guard up. Just take a lesson and move on.

    Clouder is absolutely right on. He will get his, and you will get yours. Readers can decide for themselves which portion they would prefer.

    redcedars
  • kimberkidkimberkid Member Posts: 8,858 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To be honest, at first while reading this thread I thought; quote:So what ... stuff happens, oh well!Then when I read ISP's first responce I thought it was un-friendly to do to another board member ... not in that ISP bought it, but to parade it around was petty and childish; like a 5 year old saying:

    "I got it I got it and yooou didn't ... na-na na-na na na"

    ... but to read ISP's last post, all I thought was; quote:ISP is just a sorry little man [V]




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  • beachmaster73beachmaster73 Member Posts: 3,011 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    X-Ring to the Kimberkid! Yeah I've got to admit it wasn't the brightest thing for BDJ to do broadcasting it to the free world. But pawnboy's vitriolic response speaks to a personal inadequacy. In any case there will always be another Garand to purchase for BDJ and I hope Pawnboy gets his money out of the one he sniped.
    On a personal note a couple of days ago I mentioned my excitement on bidding for something and waiting for the auction to end. BDJ you'll notice I never told anyone what it was.....And while I'd doubt that there would be no more than one or at most two other GB members interested in a 1934 P.J. O'Hare Competition Shooting Supply Catalog I wasn't about to announce my find to my very fine friends here on GB...but now that I have paid for it I don't mind. Because if one of you had told me there was a P.J. O'Hare Catalog...I have to admit I'd have been bidding on it. BDJ you learned a good lesson and it didn't really cost you anything.....there will always be another Garand around the corner. Beach
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The question was regarding the wisdom of posting an auction you are hot on here on the board.

    Seems to me there is no need for anyone to comment on Interstates actions as he has covered that pretty well himself. I cannot imagine that anyone is reading it differently than Kimberkid.

    My heros have always killed cowboys.
  • bigdaddyjuniorbigdaddyjunior Member Posts: 11,233
    edited November -1
    Yes ,I believe my original question was answered. I find myself now in the peculiar position of being called 'stupid' yet feeling compelled to say 'thank you'. Mr. Serling, your limo has arrived. doot doot doot doot...doot doot doot doot

    Big Daddy my heros have always been cowboys,they still are it seems
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