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ATTENTION PEOPLE: priority emergency, this is bad
jpwolf
Member Posts: 9,164
THIS BAN WILL BE PERMANENT!And more extensive than the first one. They will try to BAN ALL SEMI-AUTO guns of ANY KIND! Contact your SENATORS immediately and repeatedly! We must get the word out NOW!
NRA Oks Strategy to Force Pro-Gun Senators to Support Assault Weapons
Ban, Gun Show InstaChecks
Your worst nightmare has come true!
THIS MORNING (10 am Eastern Time), the Senate leadership -- headed
by the feckless Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn) -- is prepared to push a
comprehensive gun package which includes:
-- the gun liability bill (S. 659);
-- an extension of the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban;
-- a "Gun Show Loophole" bill, which will kill all gun shows.
And the NRA-ILA is getting ready to urge supposedly pro-gun senators to
vote for the entire package!
When the bill comes to the Senate floor, Senators Dianne Feinstein
(D-Calif) and John McCain (R-Ariz) are expected to offer amendments to
re-enact the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban and to "close the gun show
loophole."
Insiders with decades of experience lobbying Congress on gun issues
report one or both of these amendments are likely to pass with the NRA's
silent backing.
The "gun show loophole" amendment would effectively eliminate gun shows.
This is because it would be a felony to fail to notify each and every
"person who attends the [gun show] of the [requirements of the Brady
Law]." Thus, if the person responsible for handing out "Brady Law
pamphlets" goes to the bathroom, each and every member of the board of
the sponsoring organization could go to prison.
What everyone on the Hill knows is that, if the the NRA's silent deal
stands, there are a majority of votes in the US Senate to reauthorize
the Assault Weapons ban, and there may be the votes to close the "Gun
Show Loophole."
The NRA and Frist will quietly pressure pro-gun senators to vote for
these amendments -- complete with an extension of the Assault Weapons
gun ban and the McCain language to eliminate gun shows.
Of course, the NRA is publicly opposing the Assault Weapons ban
amendment, but know quite well that their silent deal will enable it to
pass.
The gig is up -- the NRA has crossed the line. The Assault Weapons ban
is the most important piece of legislation to ever face gun owners, and
they are playing games with it, all for a bill that will have only
limited effect on manufacturers of firearms.
The gun liability bill is a big priority for the NRA and the Senate
leadership. It would supposedly limit frivolous lawsuits against gun
dealers and manufacturers. BUT it would CONTINUE TO ALLOW SUITS FOR
NEGLIGENCE (dubbed "negligent entrustment" in the bill) AND FOR DESIGN
DEFECT.
Since 34 (out of 34) local government suits raise charges of
"negligence" -- and 27 out of 34 raise allegations of "design defect" --
S. 659 may not do much, and shouldn't be considered on the same plane of
importance as the "Assault Weapons" ban reauthorization.
The NRA's strategy is to risk the permanent ban of all military style
"assault weapons" so that they can pass a liability protection bill of
dubious merit.
But their risk is our loss.
As part of the NRA silent deal, not one piece of mail has been dropped
by the NRA to their members alerting them to the upcoming attack by the
anti-gunners. Their silence has allowed the anti-gunners a golden
opportunity to forever ban dozens of semi-auto firearms (and large
capacity magazines) and destroy gun shows as we know them.
Of course, as all pro-gunners know, the only way gun owners win is when
we all mobilize to defeat gun control. That's what we are doing right
here, and right now.
This is a classic case of the dog that didn't bark. The NRA didn't warn
members: as of the writing of this e-mail, there is nothing on their
website regarding this deal.
Right now the only pressure on the US Senate is from the anti-gunners
and the anti-gun media.
This will allow NRA operatives to quietly cut the deal to pass gun
control, and say "This is the best we can do."
They'll chalk up one victory (the liability portion) and two defeats
(assault weapons and gun shows), and hope the bill gets better in
Conference. This kind of cavalier gambit is what they have used for
decades, and gun owners always lose on these insider games.
What you can do:
Call the NRA-ILA immediately toll-free at 800-392-8683 and/or e-mail
them at Federal-Affairs@nrahq.org
You can also e-mail one of the NRA-ILA Director of Federal Affairs,
Chuck Cunningham, at ChuckC@visi.net.
Tell the NRA to immediately drop this idiotic plan to let the Assault
Weapons ban -- or any other gun control -- be tacked onto any
legislation, and to pull out all the stops to defeat these gun controls,
or lose your membership forever. If you are not an NRA member, tell
them you are not a member because of these kinds of appeasements of the
gun-grabbers.
Also contact both of Colorado's US Senators. Don't wait until later:
use the below sample communication to e-mail, fax, or call our US
Senators immediately. Or better yet, contact them in all three manners
Senator Wayne Allard
Phone: (202) 224-5941
Fax:(202) 224-6471
Contact via internet: http://allard.senate.gov/contactme (paste this url
into your browser, and type letter in the online form, or paste the text
below)
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell
Phone(202) 224-5852
Fax:(202) 228-4609
Contact via internet: http://campbell.senate.gov/email.htm (paste this
url into your browser, and type letter in the online form, or paste the
text below)
SAMPLE COMMUNICATION
Dear Senator:
Senator Bill Frist will ask you to vote for an anti-gun package
containing:
-- S. 659, the gun liability bill;
-- an extension of the so-called "Assault Weapons" gun ban;
-- a gun show amendment which would effectively put gun shows out
of business.
S. 659 is not worth swallowing an extension on the Assault Weapons ban
or restrictions on gun shows. Both of these measures would constitute
very egregious violations of Congress' constitutional authority. I hope
you will do everything in your power to make sure these amendments do
not end up in the bill.
Please know that any senator who votes to extend the Assault Weapons ban
-- in whatever form -- or to restrict gun shows will be recognized as
the anti-gun politician that he is. I will be watching how you vote.
Thank you.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
NRA Oks Strategy to Force Pro-Gun Senators to Support Assault Weapons
Ban, Gun Show InstaChecks
Your worst nightmare has come true!
THIS MORNING (10 am Eastern Time), the Senate leadership -- headed
by the feckless Sen. Bill Frist (R-Tenn) -- is prepared to push a
comprehensive gun package which includes:
-- the gun liability bill (S. 659);
-- an extension of the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban;
-- a "Gun Show Loophole" bill, which will kill all gun shows.
And the NRA-ILA is getting ready to urge supposedly pro-gun senators to
vote for the entire package!
When the bill comes to the Senate floor, Senators Dianne Feinstein
(D-Calif) and John McCain (R-Ariz) are expected to offer amendments to
re-enact the so-called "Assault Weapons" ban and to "close the gun show
loophole."
Insiders with decades of experience lobbying Congress on gun issues
report one or both of these amendments are likely to pass with the NRA's
silent backing.
The "gun show loophole" amendment would effectively eliminate gun shows.
This is because it would be a felony to fail to notify each and every
"person who attends the [gun show] of the [requirements of the Brady
Law]." Thus, if the person responsible for handing out "Brady Law
pamphlets" goes to the bathroom, each and every member of the board of
the sponsoring organization could go to prison.
What everyone on the Hill knows is that, if the the NRA's silent deal
stands, there are a majority of votes in the US Senate to reauthorize
the Assault Weapons ban, and there may be the votes to close the "Gun
Show Loophole."
The NRA and Frist will quietly pressure pro-gun senators to vote for
these amendments -- complete with an extension of the Assault Weapons
gun ban and the McCain language to eliminate gun shows.
Of course, the NRA is publicly opposing the Assault Weapons ban
amendment, but know quite well that their silent deal will enable it to
pass.
The gig is up -- the NRA has crossed the line. The Assault Weapons ban
is the most important piece of legislation to ever face gun owners, and
they are playing games with it, all for a bill that will have only
limited effect on manufacturers of firearms.
The gun liability bill is a big priority for the NRA and the Senate
leadership. It would supposedly limit frivolous lawsuits against gun
dealers and manufacturers. BUT it would CONTINUE TO ALLOW SUITS FOR
NEGLIGENCE (dubbed "negligent entrustment" in the bill) AND FOR DESIGN
DEFECT.
Since 34 (out of 34) local government suits raise charges of
"negligence" -- and 27 out of 34 raise allegations of "design defect" --
S. 659 may not do much, and shouldn't be considered on the same plane of
importance as the "Assault Weapons" ban reauthorization.
The NRA's strategy is to risk the permanent ban of all military style
"assault weapons" so that they can pass a liability protection bill of
dubious merit.
But their risk is our loss.
As part of the NRA silent deal, not one piece of mail has been dropped
by the NRA to their members alerting them to the upcoming attack by the
anti-gunners. Their silence has allowed the anti-gunners a golden
opportunity to forever ban dozens of semi-auto firearms (and large
capacity magazines) and destroy gun shows as we know them.
Of course, as all pro-gunners know, the only way gun owners win is when
we all mobilize to defeat gun control. That's what we are doing right
here, and right now.
This is a classic case of the dog that didn't bark. The NRA didn't warn
members: as of the writing of this e-mail, there is nothing on their
website regarding this deal.
Right now the only pressure on the US Senate is from the anti-gunners
and the anti-gun media.
This will allow NRA operatives to quietly cut the deal to pass gun
control, and say "This is the best we can do."
They'll chalk up one victory (the liability portion) and two defeats
(assault weapons and gun shows), and hope the bill gets better in
Conference. This kind of cavalier gambit is what they have used for
decades, and gun owners always lose on these insider games.
What you can do:
Call the NRA-ILA immediately toll-free at 800-392-8683 and/or e-mail
them at Federal-Affairs@nrahq.org
You can also e-mail one of the NRA-ILA Director of Federal Affairs,
Chuck Cunningham, at ChuckC@visi.net.
Tell the NRA to immediately drop this idiotic plan to let the Assault
Weapons ban -- or any other gun control -- be tacked onto any
legislation, and to pull out all the stops to defeat these gun controls,
or lose your membership forever. If you are not an NRA member, tell
them you are not a member because of these kinds of appeasements of the
gun-grabbers.
Also contact both of Colorado's US Senators. Don't wait until later:
use the below sample communication to e-mail, fax, or call our US
Senators immediately. Or better yet, contact them in all three manners
Senator Wayne Allard
Phone: (202) 224-5941
Fax:(202) 224-6471
Contact via internet: http://allard.senate.gov/contactme (paste this url
into your browser, and type letter in the online form, or paste the text
below)
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell
Phone(202) 224-5852
Fax:(202) 228-4609
Contact via internet: http://campbell.senate.gov/email.htm (paste this
url into your browser, and type letter in the online form, or paste the
text below)
SAMPLE COMMUNICATION
Dear Senator:
Senator Bill Frist will ask you to vote for an anti-gun package
containing:
-- S. 659, the gun liability bill;
-- an extension of the so-called "Assault Weapons" gun ban;
-- a gun show amendment which would effectively put gun shows out
of business.
S. 659 is not worth swallowing an extension on the Assault Weapons ban
or restrictions on gun shows. Both of these measures would constitute
very egregious violations of Congress' constitutional authority. I hope
you will do everything in your power to make sure these amendments do
not end up in the bill.
Please know that any senator who votes to extend the Assault Weapons ban
-- in whatever form -- or to restrict gun shows will be recognized as
the anti-gun politician that he is. I will be watching how you vote.
Thank you.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
Comments
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
http://www.gunowners.org/a022404.htm
I think when this NRA membership is up I'm going to GAO
(I just renewed in Jan)
Senator's Graham and Mack now have more e-mail
For the rest of you Floridain's
My mail to mack came back....
I forget he doesn't except e-mail
Hows that for representation
bob_graham@graham.senate.gov
connie@mack.senate.gov
Dear Senator:
Please do not accept any anti-gun amendments to S. 659, the gun manufacturers' protection act.
S. 659 is not worth swallowing an extension on the Clinton semi-auto ban or restrictions on gun shows. Both of these measures would constitute very egregious violations of Congress' constitutional authority. I hope you will do everything in your power to make sure these amendments do not end up in the bill.
If either of these provisions does make it onto S. 659, I urge you to vote AGAINST the entire bill. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Steel is for guns Tupperware is for leftovers
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
Quote "Somehow government decided that the Constitutional Bill of Rights has become the Bill of "Suggested" Rights and are to be rationed to the citizens as the power elite sees fit"
I'll fire off some email to the organization tonight and call my Senators - again - tomorrow to reiterate "as proposed, without amendments."
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the French." (Mark Twain) ". . . And DemoCraps" (me)
http://www.nra.org/
quote:Urge your Senators to fully support S. 659/S. 1805/S. 1806 without any anti-gun amendments!
And thats right the orig bill to prevent lawsuits against mfg is right and supported by everyone in then gun world.
It's the amendments that will kill us if they pass.
Steel is for guns Tupperware is for leftovers
Also, Gunowners of America has similar story, more details
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
I've emailed both my senators and will call tomorrow. The above link is useful for contacting your elected officials.
Semper Fi
Remember Ruby Ridge.
Experience is the best teacher and usually charges accordingly.
As of 9:30 2/25 I have emailed and called both of my senators, I urge everyone to do the same.
Let it pass,folks.....
Tighten up,keep a low profile,and await the next piece of legislation..perhaps a total ban on pistols..or rifles.
Let the situation become intolerable for enough folks that something concrete can be done about it...
Good night all. I pray tomorrow holds better news than today did.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
Go check out Ron Paul,out of Texas....Perhaps the only member of Congress smart enough to actually read the document..and find NO PLACE in it words to protect an industry.
The PROBLEM,people,is out of control COURTS....these cases should be THROWN OUT 5 seconds after they are read aloud...
Good night.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
Our rights and priveledges have eroded significantly since 2000!!! I'm not a Republican or Democrat....however the Republicans if they keep going on as at present will lead this country to a REVOLUTIN before the Democrats will!!
The Democrats will throw out a crumb to the masses to keep them still or satiated but the Republicans won't even let you come to the table!!! Where is representation for the masses!!! GHD
P.S. - Highball, federal govt. has the right to act in things that affect interstate commerce...that's how they're probably getting to it.
quote:It would supposedly limit frivolous lawsuits against gun
dealers and manufacturers. BUT it would CONTINUE TO ALLOW SUITS FOR
NEGLIGENCE (dubbed "negligent entrustment" in the bill) AND FOR DESIGN
DEFECT.
Since 34 (out of 34) local government suits raise charges of
"negligence" -- and 27 out of 34 raise allegations of "design defect" --
S. 659 may not do much, and shouldn't be considered on the same plane of
importance as the "Assault Weapons" ban reauthorization.
The barn door is still open. They intend to tie a piece of twine across it, amd tell John Q. Public that they closed it. By the time the next regimine of the same lawsuits come forward, it will be too late to say, "I thought they fixed that". The ban will be in place for good.
________________________________________________________________________
"If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace" -Thomas Paine
If the people have become so apathetic that they will not vote out all the liberal scum (republican and democrat alike), the only solution is Constitutional Convention II the sequel. Let's get it right this time.
P.S. - Highball, federal govt. has the right to act in things that affect interstate commerce...that's how they're probably getting to it.
The federal govt. does not have "rights".
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
Or how 'bout this one "DUUUUHHHHHH I dont agree with everything they do, but they are the largest gun right organization."
Or maybe "DUUUHHHHHHHHH just imagine if every gun owner was a member of the NRA."
"Waiting tables is what you know, making cheese is what I know-lets stick with what we know!"
-Jimmy the cheese man
Regardless, I have letters going into the mail today to my senator and plan to email too.
Also, just sent an email to Norm Coleman and Mark Dayton (like that one will do a lot of good[xx(])
It will hurt you, More than it will hurt me..
Life Member..NRA,
American Legion, MECU, MWCA, SMSC, NASDS, IDPA
Thanks for all the help!
IN GOD WE TRUST! *And don't use Pay Pal!
AP) Senate Democrats hope to complicate the future of a Republican-led bill that would shield gun manufacturers and distributors from lawsuits arising from crimes in which guns were used.
The GOP-controlled Senate plans to take up the legislation Wednesday, with Republicans saying they have enough votes to pass it in an early morning vote. But Democrats plan to force votes on at least two other gun issues they want to attach to it, including an amendment to renew the assault weapons ban and another to require background checks for all purchasers at gun shows.
"The bill will provide an opportunity to vote on these issues," said Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., who opposes the bill but supports the Democratic amendments. "What's going to happen after that, I don't know."
Republicans, along with Senate Democrats, have been pushing for the gun immunity legislation for some time. Gun advocates say firearm makers shouldn't be forced to spend millions of dollars fighting off lawsuits designed to win large rewards and bankrupt them for making legal products.
Gun rights groups plan to urge majority Republicans to defeat the proposed amendments. The GOP-controlled House already has said it does not plan to approve the extension of the assault weapons ban.
The White House has urged the Senate to pass the legislation without amendments.
"The administration urges the Senate to pass a clean bill, in order to ensure enactment of the legislation this year," the White House said in a statement. "Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year is unacceptable."
Democrats including Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota agreed to back the legislation after gun supporters accepted a specification that firearms manufacturers and distributors would not be immune to lawsuits involving defective products or illegal sales.
Getting the 1994 assault weapons prohibition renewed has been a Democratic priority this year. They picked up support Tuesday from GOP Sens. John Warner of Virginia, Mike DeWine of Ohio and Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island.
"Although I voted against the ban a decade ago, over the past 10 years it has reduced crime dramatically and has made our streets safer," Warner said. "The legislation also has protected the rights of gun owners better than many of us predicted."
The three GOP senators' support does not guarantee the amendment's approval in the Senate, but "this gives the effort to renew the assault weapons ban new momentum," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., sponsor of the original assault weapons ban.
Don't come crying about your loss here
I have sent letters from everyone in the family
Steel is for guns Tupperware is for leftovers
What in the Sam Hill is that guy smoking???[:(!][:(!][:(!]
mag
mag
Someday when I'm cool I'll have a .50
Me own a 9mm...I'd rather drink turpentine and piss on a brush fire!
So, what's the source of the above story and how do we know it's true that the NRA is in collusion with anybody? I say, write your Congressmen for sure; but use the form letter on the GOA site and let them know you consider any amendments to S.659 a "poison pill." If they load it up with a new gun ban and gun show prohibitions, S.659 needs to fail BIG.
T. Jefferson: "[When doing Constitutional interpretation], let us [go] back to the time when [it] was adopted. [Rather than] invent a meaning [let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Greenlantern, here is the link to the source. http://www.rmgo.org/
Thanks 7mmnut. Though, like offeror states, even they don't site their source. But at the same token, it doesn't take away from the importance of the main issue. The bill and it's ammendments.
For now, all we can do is call and write the lawmakers about it......
You bet! I emailed a couple of friends about it too.
Kids that fish, hunt and trap have never mugged any old ladies!
To Ride, shoot straight,and speak the truth
This was the Ancient law of Youth
Old times are past, old times are done:
But the Law runs true, O little son!
Go Army Beat Navy
IF you wanna have fun join the cavalry
I followed up that call with phone calls to my two Senators here in New York - Clinton and Schumer - informed thier aides of my stance (some good that will do) and shipped them both an email for good measure. I would urge everyone else to do the same.
McConnell).. Promises of support for a clean bill, fighting to kill efforts to attach AWB, gun show loop hole or any other leach amendments .
GET INVOLVED >> THIS IS EVERYONE'S FIGHT..
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
George Orwell
TARGETS UP!
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