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308 is a fighting cartridge
telohf
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I have had numerous 308 and 30-06 rifles and loved most all of them. I currently have 3 30-06's but 2 are for sale. I prefer the 30-06 for hunting although the 308 will do just about anything the 30-06 will. But to me I have several rifles that can do anything the 308 can do and probably better. So the next 308 that I buy will be a fighting rifle since that is what its made to be.
Im not sure if I want a bolt action(always reliable)or a semi auto. I just don't feel like spending around $1000 for a semi auto 308. So I guess that if I buy a 308 I will set it up as a fighting rifle and not a hunting rifle. I like the Mossberg MVP but haven't read too many reviews on its quality yet. I love the scout rifle concept. Anyone have one and have feedback..good or bad?
Im not sure if I want a bolt action(always reliable)or a semi auto. I just don't feel like spending around $1000 for a semi auto 308. So I guess that if I buy a 308 I will set it up as a fighting rifle and not a hunting rifle. I like the Mossberg MVP but haven't read too many reviews on its quality yet. I love the scout rifle concept. Anyone have one and have feedback..good or bad?
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Just sayin'.
PS: $1K isn't all that much today when it comes to gun shopping. You may not feel like dropping that much on a "fighting rifle" but you may have to spend that much or more for something of quality.
Too old to live...too young to die...
Planning on doing some fighting? Publicly declaring your need for a fighting rifle may draw unwanted attention.
Just sayin'.
PS: $1K isn't all that much today when it comes to gun shopping. You may not feel like dropping that much on a "fighting rifle" but you may have to spend that much or more for something of quality.
all us male citizens should have a quality fighting rifle that is a center fire repeater or semi auto....if they don't have o E they should be actively looking. ..even if it's just a mosin.
Look for a used and older m1a...or maybe one of the 308 garand out there. ...a bolt gun is not a bad action.
Is this a "Battle Rifle" cartridge / rifle thread?????
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Where's DWS when you really need him?????
edit...Gawd, I used to love his rejoinders on this subject! No one, and I mean no one, could do it better than he could!! He'd reduce most of the masses to sniveling little girls, and then MC would come in for the casual rhetorical kill. It was epic!!
Many a man attempted verbal fencing with Rob, and all were defeated, if not humiliated in the process. His level of success is judged by the numbers of members who are happy he is gone...All of them among those who suffered at his hand.
To address the OP:
The .30-06 will do anything that the .308 can do, and more.
http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=475383628
Planning on doing some fighting? Publicly declaring your need for a fighting rifle may draw unwanted attention.
As apposed to you posting many pictures of your vast collection of firearms?? I fail to see a difference as I am confident anyone posting on this forum has already been determined to be an extremist by those that would deem it.
You're both in the top half.
I checked the list.
You're both in the top half.
Hell I was shooting for top five, that is a bit of a disappointment. [:p] Which list did you check I could be on several? It would be cool to be on a list and get paid to carry a gun at the same time!! I imagine there are quite a few cops on their lists.
A short barreled .308 bolt rifle is an oxymoron in my book and adds the ferocious muzzle blast to it's disadvantages. It gives up much of it's longer ranging advantages due to it's short barrel while still damning itself with weight of rifle and ammo and slow rate of fire.
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
I checked the list.
You're both in the top half.
Hell I was shooting for top five, that is a bit of a disappointment. [:p] Which list did you check I could be on several? It would be cool to be on a list and get paid to carry a gun at the same time!! I imagine there are quite a few cops on their lists.
BO must have looked at an older list.
shilowar- You see no difference between "Here's a photo of my gun" and "I need a fighting rifle so I'm getting a fighting rifle?" Really? No difference in intent between the two statements? OK.
PS: Don't misunderstand my intent. I said announcing one's desire to have a "fighting rifle" may draw unwanted attention. I didn't mean from me. I couldn't possibly care less. But there are some people who do monitor such things. Recall a few months ago when someone put some "trigger words" in forum posts and the number of views went off the chart? My only explanation is that somewhere in the basement of a government building a computer was scanning the forums for such words. Maybe I'm overly paranoid...and maybe not.
Too old to live...too young to die...
If you have access to gobs of surplus 7.62 ammo, then I can see the reasoning.
If not, then it's a toss up, IMO, between 308 and '06
How much would that ring your ears in a "don't have time to install earplugs" multiple rounds fired situation?
About an hour ago, I bumped into a pair of predators making a high speed getaway. The result was 7 shots fired (AR in 5.45x39) one varmint DRT and one escaped injured and bleeding varmint and ringing ears for me. The 5.45 is easier on the ears than even a .223 so I'm very sure such an encounter with whatever sort of vermin would be extremely hard on the ears with a short barrel or bullpup .308.
As well as my Garand and UZI [:0]
The difference appears to be that people are often able to categorize what they do in different terms that what they see others do.
Not all that remarkable, just fun to watch.
For me the Ruger was the easier of the two to get shooting accurately.
Still learning the M1A.
If I had to pick one for a "situation" it would probably be the Ruger.
Lighter, fewer moving parts, eats anything I feed it, including what the M1A rejects.
M1A is picky about what it eats. Crappy ammo equals multiple problems.
I bought the Ruger Gunsite for about half of what the M1A Scout cost.
Love em both but for different reasons.
I guess in some cases a fighting rifle is the one you happen to have in your hands when the fighting starts.
Too old to live...too young to die...
So the 30.06 was made for what darning socks?
A real thumper. When a window shot isn't practical, you want gun that'll go through walls.
From the 1903 through the BAR, 1919A4, and Garand, to the Cobb MCR-300 (a 30-06 AR manufactured for the 100th anniversary, I feel well protected with this venerable cartridge.
I guess I do not see the advantage in the slightly shorter action made possible by the .308.
Brad Steele
....I still like a 30 carbine , but ammo is not easy to get anymore...[xx(]
+1
I'll stick with the 30-06 fighting cartridge.
From the 1903 through the BAR, 1919A4, and Garand, to the Cobb MCR-300 (a 30-06 AR manufactured for the 100th anniversary, I feel well protected with this venerable cartridge.
I guess I do not see the advantage in the slightly shorter action made possible by the .308.
Don I'm right there with you...my MBR is my M1 rifle. ....however the 308 is a fine cartridge and ounces do add up if you are on foot.
If you need to disable equipment get a M1 and a bandolier of AP.
It is all about application.
The Mossberg is a decent rifle, but personally I prefer the Ruger Scout:
http://www.GunBroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=475383628
I guess I would still stick with the old tried and true.
25 rounds of 30-06 in a 1903.
Brad Steele
Would a simple barrel change worK?
What would be involved in converting a Garand to 762x51?
Would a simple barrel change worK?
Maybe Mark or one of the other M1 experts will chime in, but at one point I think the AF(?) played around with 7.62 X 51 Garands. I don't think they actually issued them though.
Somebody made and marketed a shortened Garand chambered in 7.62 X 51. It was called a "Tanker". I used to see them at gun shows.
One more thing, since people always like to interject their opinions into stuff, is really why? I would just buy an M1A since an M14/M1A is a Garand with all it's deficiencies, real or alleged, corrected.
What would be involved in converting a Garand to 762x51?
Would a simple barrel change worK?
Government already did it years ago....different barrel and some kind of mod to the action....can't recall the specifics..use the same clips of course.
Planning on doing some fighting? Publicly declaring your need for a fighting rifle may draw unwanted attention.
Just sayin'.
PS: $1K isn't all that much today when it comes to gun shopping. You may not feel like dropping that much on a "fighting rifle" but you may have to spend that much or more for something of quality.
Wow. Just WOW!![:0]
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I'll stick with the 30-06 fighting cartridge.
From the 1903 through the BAR, 1919A4, and Garand, to the Cobb MCR-300 (a 30-06 AR manufactured for the 100th anniversary, I feel well protected with this venerable cartridge.
I guess I do not see the advantage in the slightly shorter action made possible by the .308.
Yep, and you can still find some nice AP rounds for it if you know where to look.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain