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Tundra vs. F-150--??
peabo
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Ford F-150
Didn't think you were going to get away that easily, did you, Ford ?
No, Ford didn't take any of the U.S. government's bailout money and doesn't assemble any of its U.S.-sold F-150s beyond U.S. borders. That doesn't mean that a big chunk of the F-150 isn't made elsewhere.
The F-150 may roll off the lines in Kansas City, Mo., and Dearborn, Mich., but only 60% of its parts are made in the U.S. That's actually a great statement on the F-150's quality and demand, considering that 90% of its parts were made in the U.S. before volume increased nearly 11% in the past year alone.
If you're looking for something a bit more American, however, Cars.com says the San Antonio, Texas-built Toyota Tundra has the most American-made parts of any truck on the market while keeping assembly line jobs in-house.
Didn't think you were going to get away that easily, did you, Ford ?
No, Ford didn't take any of the U.S. government's bailout money and doesn't assemble any of its U.S.-sold F-150s beyond U.S. borders. That doesn't mean that a big chunk of the F-150 isn't made elsewhere.
The F-150 may roll off the lines in Kansas City, Mo., and Dearborn, Mich., but only 60% of its parts are made in the U.S. That's actually a great statement on the F-150's quality and demand, considering that 90% of its parts were made in the U.S. before volume increased nearly 11% in the past year alone.
If you're looking for something a bit more American, however, Cars.com says the San Antonio, Texas-built Toyota Tundra has the most American-made parts of any truck on the market while keeping assembly line jobs in-house.
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My 2011 Tundra DBL Cab 4x4 5.7L V8
The American Made-Index (AMI) published by cars.com explains that the F-150 has 60% domestically manufactured content. The AMI rates vehicles on where supplied parts are manufactured as well as where the vehicle is ultimately assembled. The index disqualifies "models with a domestic parts content rating below 75 percent" from consideration for its annual top 10 lists. Ouch. The F-150 didn't even compete this year.
For the complete article (http://nistmep.blogs.govdelivery.com/2012/01/11/a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-hours-of-research/)
+1 on Tundra ... and built by Americans and Non-Union! [^]
My 2011 Tundra DBL Cab 4x4 5.7L V8
I'm considering one of these when my pre Goverment Motors Avalanche needs replacing. No more GM for me.
My '93 is far superior to any truck on the road. It takes a beating and keeps on going. A good testament to the build quality and durability of the dinosaur 300 ci six.
Mine is same year, same color, 2x4, reg cab, with L6. 280,000 miles nothing fixed on it yet.
That said, while I've grown up with dad only owning GM vehicles. I have purchased 3 gm's and 4 Fords.
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
+1 on Tundra ... and built by Americans and Non-Union! [^]
My 2011 Tundra DBL Cab 4x4 5.7L V8
I'm considering one of these when my pre Goverment Motors Avalanche needs replacing. No more GM for me.
Same here. I'm just trying to keep my POS Chevy in one piece until I get my raise in Mar/Apr and can swing a payment. My family has traditionally been a GM only family, but my last truck had me questioning that, my current truck confirmed that GM products are junk, at least the ones made 1996-present. I also saw that the MSRP on the Tundra is lower than the chevy and the tundra has more power. Besides how many toyota trucks do you see in the repair shops?
As for the profits staying at home vs going overseas debate---The profits go to the shareholders. They are EVERYWHERE [:0]
Neither Ford or Toyota are more American that the other.
As for the profits staying at home vs going overseas debate---The profits go to the shareholders. They are EVERYWHERE [:0]
Where do you expect a foreign investor's profits should go? I really do not care where the profits goes. The bottom line is a Japanese company did not have to invest here in the US but they did and employs thousands of fellow Americans that would possibly otherwise unemployed with today's economy ... a WIN-WIN situation ... and for that I am very thankful.
In addition, they do not have to use US parts either but they do, employing more Americans.
Furthermore, they do all this without the Unions. Let me see the Big 3 do that.
quote:Originally posted by footlong
Neither Ford or Toyota are more American that the other.
As for the profits staying at home vs going overseas debate---The profits go to the shareholders. They are EVERYWHERE [:0]
Where do you expect a foreign investor's profits should go? I really do not care where the profits goes. The bottom line is a Japanese company did not have to invest here in the US but they did and employs thousands of fellow Americans that would possibly otherwise unemployed with today's economy ... a WIN-WIN situation ... and for that I am very thankful.
In addition, they do not have to use US parts either but they do, employing more Americans.
Furthermore, they do all this without the Unions. Let me see the Big 3 do that.
Toyota is now exporting cars built here in the US to China and Korea.
Toyota is now exporting cars built here in the US to China and Korea.
That makes sense considering their production plants in Japan were affected by the nuke disaster. Gotta love the global economy!
quote:Originally posted by Sav99
Toyota is now exporting cars built here in the US to China and Korea.
That makes sense considering their production plants in Japan were affected by the nuke disaster. Gotta love the global economy!
It is actually very expensive to manufacturer in Japan. Why do you think big yellow is bringing small bulldozers and excavators back to the states?
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
quote:Originally posted by Sav99
Toyota is now exporting cars built here in the US to China and Korea.
That makes sense considering their production plants in Japan were affected by the nuke disaster. Gotta love the global economy!
It is actually very expensive to manufacturer in Japan. Why do you think big yellow is bringing small bulldozers and excavators back to the states?
Everything in Japan is expensive! Whose bright idea was it to manufacture them their to begin with ???
quote:Originally posted by shoff14
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
quote:Originally posted by Sav99
Toyota is now exporting cars built here in the US to China and Korea.
That makes sense considering their production plants in Japan were affected by the nuke disaster. Gotta love the global economy!
It is actually very expensive to manufacturer in Japan. Why do you think big yellow is bringing small bulldozers and excavators back to the states?
Everything in Japan is expensive! Whose bright idea was it to manufacture them their to begin with ???
I think the value of the dollar at the moment has a lot to do with it.
Rumor has it a certain international glass bottle company is making loses in China while the US is showing the profit. 5 years ago it was the other way around.
My '93 is far superior to any truck on the road. It takes a beating and keeps on going. A good testament to the build quality and durability of the dinosaur 300 ci six.
j
Yes! The 300 ci six.
I was in the market for a pickup just last month and I looked at the F150. Looked like the old in-line six was Gone With the Wind.
Why did they stop making that great engine?
What kind of gas mileage do you get?
Can't agree with you more. I sold a 90-91 straight 6 to a freind in the concrete business. Rusted out but he's still using it! Had nothing but 150's for over 35 years and guess what . . . .Just bought a Toyota Trundra. My last F-150 had alot of small constant problems. Toyota had much better reviews and so here I am.
Welcome to the dark side![:p]
This debate will go on for many years to come. The name brand loyalty passed on by generations will always be there which is a good thing. I have no brand loyalty other than the best bang for my US buck. Like others, we would all love to have everything Made in the US that will deliver the best bang for our buck. Until then, the Toyota Tundra simply satisfies my requirements over F-150 with flying colors. [^]
quote:Originally posted by catpealer111
My '93 is far superior to any truck on the road. It takes a beating and keeps on going. A good testament to the build quality and durability of the dinosaur 300 ci six.
j
Yes! The 300 ci six.
I was in the market for a pickup just last month and I looked at the F150. Looked like the old in-line six was Gone With the Wind.
Why did they stop making that great engine?
What kind of gas mileage do you get?
I've seen as high as 20 mph, that was going cross country, ND to WI, averaging 65 mph. In normal mixed driving I get 15.
Feenamix---Those little Jappers have no resources but PEOPLE. They grow a little food. But thats about all. To make money they buy things like wood-scrap metal-oil. They mix it all up in a blender. Drink it down. Then squirt out ALL those cute cars, phones,puters,tv sets & Vega-Matics. [:D]
... and obviously they are doing extremely well that others have serious envy and hatred. [:(!][xx(][V]
BTW, "human" resources are the best resources ... and those people you speak off are fellow Americans that are proudly building them Tundras in the great state of Texas. [^]
If it ain't got an 8-ft. box, it ain't a truck, it's just a SUV!
That was the thing I liked about the Avalanche actually.
Rides like an SUV instead of a PU, but when you put the back seat down, and open the access door, you have an 8 foot bed for those items requiring it.
Feeni-l have owned 2 Frontiers from Smyrna Tenn. After owning 2 S-10s. One Dakota. First S-10 leaked parts. Tail gate fell off in the middle of Washington RD. S-10 #2 cab leaked. Milton Rubin never could fix it. Dakota leaked OIL. lt was a regular Exxon Valdez. The 2 Tenn trucks NEVER gave any trouble. Under the carport sit a Versa @ 89K. Envoy has 77k on it. Guess which has its own bay at Johnsons GMC/Cadillac
I can relate. I had a wonderful 89 silverado that took 3 trees and a bridge to stop it and that was after 268k miles. My 1996 Silverado did good until it hit 80-90K then it started breaking regularly. my current 2003 silverado spends more time at the shop than my house, the shop has their own key to my truck that they keep. I thought everything that could break had been fixed, but pretty much every time the key is turned on something breaks.
Because of the last 2 "American made" trucks I had, I'll never own another vehicle made by the "big 3" post 1996, ever.
If it ain't got an 8-ft. box, it ain't a truck, it's just a SUV!
They do make them with 8 feet bed ...