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ManCow waterboarded live, now says its torture
Wulfmann
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I was listening to ManCow Muller on his morning radio show and he did water boarding by a Marine with paramedics standing by live on the air.
He lasted maybe two seconds dropping his cow doll as the signal he gave up.
He is no anti torture guy but said the feeling was so horrific he had to say it was torture.
That tells me it is a useful technique and it should be used when interrogating terrorist subjects.
It causes mental distress but does no permanent harm.
Oooooooooooo, we scared the misunderstood terrorist!!!!
Of course there are those here that might believe nicely asking is all the interrogating we should do but I politely disagree with these girlymen.
Wulfmann
He lasted maybe two seconds dropping his cow doll as the signal he gave up.
He is no anti torture guy but said the feeling was so horrific he had to say it was torture.
That tells me it is a useful technique and it should be used when interrogating terrorist subjects.
It causes mental distress but does no permanent harm.
Oooooooooooo, we scared the misunderstood terrorist!!!!
Of course there are those here that might believe nicely asking is all the interrogating we should do but I politely disagree with these girlymen.
Wulfmann
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
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And before I get my bashing, I'm sure it's coming, think about what they do to our troops, civilians, ect. Remember 9-11.
Mike
I'm sure it must be more effective than what it seems. As a SCUBA diver I've trained to deal with water in all kinds of scenarios (losing masks, fouling a regulator, running out of air, etc). Rule number one is don't panic. I just can't picture how placing a wet rag over someones face and then pouring water on it can induce this much fear. However, like I said, there must be more to it.
I think that it has something to do with the fact that most people have become accustomed to BREATHING. I've been doing it as long as I can remember. Oxygen doesn't really matter until you aren't getting any.
They need to carry out a couple of wet, dead bodies though, right past the one going in. Make it a little more believable that you might actually die.
Which is a definate risk, if the technique is not used properly.
Why else would the paramedics be standing by.?
Got it.!
I would say that it is a form a mental torture, and I would use it on someone if they knew where my child were being held hostage.
Seriously.
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I would say that it is a form a mental torture, and I would use it on someone if they knew where my child were being held hostage.
I guess I would use a ball-peen hammer on their toes, knees... and you know the direction that would make sence.
.... give a hint? .... "Nutcracker."
What happens if one of our boys gets captured and the enemy waterboards him? Is that ok?
I seem to remember them burning, dragging behind cars, and beheading the ones they have captured. I would think waterboarding is not extreme enough to be on their list of things to do.
DING DING DING
Thant's just it, no he won't be water boarded, they'll just cut his head off with a dull knife on tv. These are the monsters that everyone is so quick to defend.
Never foget.
Mike
quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
I'm sure it must be more effective than what it seems. As a SCUBA diver I've trained to deal with water in all kinds of scenarios (losing masks, fouling a regulator, running out of air, etc). Rule number one is don't panic. I just can't picture how placing a wet rag over someones face and then pouring water on it can induce this much fear. However, like I said, there must be more to it.
I think that it has something to do with the fact that most people have become accustomed to BREATHING. I've been doing it as long as I can remember. Oxygen doesn't really matter until you aren't getting any.
Which brings to mind other things about which that may be said.
Doug
Now that's funny.
Mike
What happens if one of our boys gets captured and the enemy waterboards him? Is that ok?
They wouldnt waste there time with water unless it was a wet sponge and electrodes.
Maybe we should go back to fighting like the british. If we had done the same as them back then, well me and you wouldn't be here right now. They thought we were cowards and not manly and was not fighting "fair", but we won didn't we. There is no "fair" fight. Fight, or war, is not a game it is not meant to be fair but only to win. If you don't win the it matters not how you lost, just that you lost. Some things must be won at all cost and this war is one of them.
Mike
Abdul returns to his "residence" for 3 squares and a cot.
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War is not about "being better" than your enemy. It's about winning. The enemy should have 2 choices - surrender or die.
Where does all this nonsense talk come from about using torture being "unamerican"? What would George Patton do? Don't die for your country - make the other SOB die for his country.
Boiling in oil works for me.
It was a fictional story but was set in I seem to recall the 1930s.
That would seem to indicate that type of idea has been around for quite a while.
He was placed flat on a table his feet were strapped down and he was angled back so his feet were above the level of his head.
He had a towel placed over his face and water was poured on it so he could not breath filling his mouth and nose with water.
He stated he thought he could last 20-30 seconds but gave up almost instantly and was scared.
He claimed he drowned as a kid and was revived so knew the feeling which is why he thought he could take it.
His experience confirms this is a nasty technique to use on anyone but I do not consider it torture because it simulates torture as compared to actually inflicting * harm.
To suggest we do not even make our enemies uncomfortable is beyond being a pansy, IMO.
Considering what they do to their own women and fellow countrymen that choose to change religions water boarding is an inconvenience as an interrogation technique.
War crimes are only committed by the losing side and you girlymen out there that think we are mean will be tortured by these same enemies unless, of course, you convert to Islam and I am guessing many of you pansies will do just that.
They will not surrender and they will not stop until we crush them or they overrun the world with their false religion (any religion forcibly imposed is certainly a false religion)
Wulfmann
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
My concern is what are we going to say when our people at home are pulled off the streets and tortured by JBT's...hope they practiced well? We are already seeing examples Jack Booted Thugery by LEO's so I guess it will come of no suprise when it becomes mainstream.
Mike
Mike
Quite a few years ago I saw a program on television where they had a cop using a towel over the suspects face & pouring water on it.
It was a fictional story but was set in I seem to recall the 1930s.
That would seem to indicate that type of idea has been around for quite a while.
Waterboarding was used in the Spanish Inquisition. Nothing new here.
Clouder..
I can think of a better torture than this...
Make 'em stand a foot deep, barefoot, on river rock in spring runoff in a mountain river. About 34 degrees and pain beyond imagination. No sitting down and they can move around all they want, but just not leave the water.
They'll talk...and PRONTO too!
They'll BEG to be waterboarded after that!!!
Can we give them a fly rod to make the torture more intense??
We used the table and cloth with water being poured on the cloth.
One guy flipped out just like "fatso" in 2 seconds,.....another guy lasted about 30 seconds.
I lasted for about 4 minutes.
Most of it is fear, the rest is about controlling your breathing.
If you have ever used a Scott pak, or a gas mask, you must learn to breathe shallow. If you hyperventilate it's all over.
Many folks panic over the feeling of water flowing into their nose, and that is what causes the short outcomes.
I can hold my breath for an extended period of time, plus there is no law as far as I have read about the technique to blow the air out of your mouth forcefully, and then take a breath through the nose quickly. You must be able to handle swallowing some water without choking, and breathing at the same time.
I believe I could have gone longer, but the dolts started really pouring it to me after a couple minutes.
Yes,......we really did this to each other.
I have no issue with it being used on terrorists, and far worse things.
I also could care less what McCain thinks about this.
Some of you guys need to give it a try,......seriously!
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
Anyone championing the use of torture as an effective means of gaining information would do well to read up on it. I suggest "How to Break a Terrorist" by Matthew Alexander.
A better article on it. Christopher Hitchens underwent waterboarding for Vanity Fair.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
Anyone championing the use of torture as an effective means of gaining information would do well to read up on it. I suggest "How to Break a Terrorist" by Matthew Alexander.
As you can see from the article,....he has several health issues, as well as "phobias."
Not a good choice to make a point from.
Have someone do it to you,.....I am totally serious.[;)]
quote:Originally posted by Aspen79se
A better article on it. Christopher Hitchens underwent waterboarding for Vanity Fair.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/08/hitchens200808
Anyone championing the use of torture as an effective means of gaining information would do well to read up on it. I suggest "How to Break a Terrorist" by Matthew Alexander.
As you can see from the article,....he has several health issues, as well as "phobias."
Not a good choice to make a point from.
Have someone do it to you,.....I am totally serious.[;)]
Care to point out the health issues? Other than his age and smoking? He provided medical documentation stating he had none. Here's the quote from the article since you have a reading comprehension problem:
quote:For my current "handlers" I had had to produce a doctor's certificate assuring them that I did not have asthma, but I wondered whether I should tell them about the 15,000 cigarettes I had inhaled every year for the last several decades.
He admits to having a phobia of drowning, news flash genius, every thing breathing oxygen does.
How about this from the agreement Mr. Hitchen's had to sign:
quote:Water boarding" is a potentially dangerous activity in which the participant can receive serious and permanent (physical, emotional and psychological) injuries and even death, including injuries and death due to the respiratory and neurological systems of the body.
I also take it you're exposure to interrogation extends to watch Fox News and episodes of "24".
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/DOJ/story?id=3814076&page=1
A quote from the article:
quote:According to retired Rear Adm. John Hutson, "There is no question this is torture --
I tend to speed read through articles DS,.......I see he doesn't have asthma now.
He was 59 at the time, and also overweight, which means out of shape.
I don't watch 24 BTW, nor could I give a crap if you believe me or not.
I will repeat,......try it yourself!
i think alot of people (bleeding hearts) have gotten the hero,s mixed up with the villian,s. eastbank.
Would you prefer no heroes and all villians?
ManCow waterboarded live, now says its torture
As one who has been waterboarded, I've told you this before. All you brave guys that want to torture people need to line up and let me drown you. I'll stop after only two minutes if you haven't cried uncle by then.