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F aux Supressor???

WCIWCI Member Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 2009 in General Discussion
I picked up a very nice piece of 2" copper pipe on the job today about four feet long and thought about making a f aux suppressor. I wouldn't think it would be illegal since I know the GSG 22's that look like MP-5's come with a fake suppressor. I figured as long as i don't install the baffles than it would not be a concern to the ATF. Does this sound logical or is there concern. I realize that the government is not logical so I would like others opinions.

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  • dan kellydan kelly Member Posts: 9,799
    edited November -1
    at worst if a cop saw it on your firearm he might check it out, as long as you could show it didn`t have baffles you should be ok with it. there are plenty of fake ones for sale on the auction side.
  • storm6490storm6490 Member Posts: 8,010
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by WCI
    I picked up a very nice piece of 2" copper pipe on the job today about four feet long and thought about making a f aux suppressor. I wouldn't think it would be illegal since I know the GSG 22's that look like MP-5's come with a fake suppressor. I figured as long as i don't install the baffles than it would not be a concern to the ATF. Does this sound logical or is there concern. I realize that the government is not logical so I would like others opinions.


    yeah its legal but that copper will heat up and crack.make a bong out of it and use stainless for the flash hider.
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    Well yes, no, kinda sorta. While it is not a grey area it kinda is.

    The ATF says anything that reduces the noise of a firearm IS a silencer = requires NFA registration. There is nothing grey there.

    Will adding a piece of pipe to the end of your gun make it any quieter? With out a quality db meter there is no way to be 100% sure. It does not matter if it has baffles or not.

    On the GSG they are not a faux silencer, they are a barrel cover. The faux silencer on the GSG does not extend past the end of the barrel.

    There are many faux silencers on the market with many different designs and materials. While in theory they dont reduce the sound of a firearm IF the ATF proved that it did on YOUR gun then you would have an illegal (assuming not registered) silencer.

    Does that make it any clearer [:o)]
  • steveaustinsteveaustin Member Posts: 852 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I bought a Gemtech to put on the end of my ps90 and it cost me money to bail out of jail even though they dropped the charges. Don't do it. Don't have all the pieces at one time to put one together. 10 yrs automatic.
  • SCOUT5SCOUT5 Member Posts: 16,195 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The real question is why?
  • The Ultimate InfidelThe Ultimate Infidel Member Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    yep, the fake suppressor on the GSG is merely as ruse to cover up the spaghetti thin barrel. Kinda gun viagra
  • storm6490storm6490 Member Posts: 8,010
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Laundry-pro
    yep, the fake suppressor on the GSG is merely as ruse to cover up the spaghetti thin barrel. Kinda gun viagra

    ROFL
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by steveaustin
    I bought a Gemtech to put on the end of my ps90 and it cost me money to bail out of jail even though they dropped the charges. Don't do it. Don't have all the pieces at one time to put one together. 10 yrs automatic.


    You need more details. What are you talking about. All what pieces? Silencers are 100% legal if registered properly.
  • steveaustinsteveaustin Member Posts: 852 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Originally posted by Nwcid

    You need more details. What are you talking about. All what pieces? Silencers are 100% legal if registered properly.


    I need more details or you need more details. I got pulled over for out of date tags on my hunting rig and the Hiway patrol saw my rifle, keep in mind I was on my way back from hunting bobcats in OK, it was a fake. Purely for asthetics, no stamp required but they didn't care. Jailed anyway until I posted bail because I would rather not sit there until they got thier crap straight. Help?
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by steveaustin
    Originally posted by Nwcid

    You need more details. What are you talking about. All what pieces? Silencers are 100% legal if registered properly.


    I need more details or you need more details. I got pulled over for out of date tags on my hunting rig and the Hiway patrol saw my rifle, keep in mind I was on my way back from hunting bobcats in OK, it was a fake. Purely for asthetics, no stamp required but they didn't care. Jailed anyway until I posted bail because I would rather not sit there until they got thier crap straight. Help?


    Well I am not a lawyer or a LEO but sounds like a serious case of false arrest to me. Since I was not there to know the exact details the only thing I can say is there is something seriously wrong with that.
  • BaseJumperBaseJumper Member Posts: 5,570
    edited November -1
    So, if you have it registered properly do they make you carry a permit with the weapon at all times to prove that it is properly registered? Do they put a barcode tattoo on your forearm?
  • Mr. FriendlyMr. Friendly Member Posts: 7,981
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
    Well yes, no, kinda sorta. While it is not a grey area it kinda is.

    The ATF says anything that reduces the noise of a firearm IS a silencer = requires NFA registration. There is nothing grey there.

    Will adding a piece of pipe to the end of your gun make it any quieter? With out a quality db meter there is no way to be 100% sure. It does not matter if it has baffles or not.

    On the GSG they are not a faux silencer, they are a barrel cover. The faux silencer on the GSG does not extend past the end of the barrel.

    There are many faux silencers on the market with many different designs and materials. While in theory they dont reduce the sound of a firearm IF the ATF proved that it did on YOUR gun then you would have an illegal (assuming not registered) silencer.

    Does that make it any clearer [:o)]




    and to add to that, if they really wanted to get you they could just hammer you with attempting to mfg. I wouldn't play with it. It does nothing for the gun in any way, and could just lead to way too many headaches down the road.
  • Mr. FriendlyMr. Friendly Member Posts: 7,981
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BaseJumper
    So, if you have it registered properly do they make you carry a permit with the weapon at all times to prove that it is properly registered? Do they put a barcode tattoo on your forearm?


    lol, you have seen the pictures of Charls Manson, correct? Thanks for the laugh.[:D]
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Todesengel


    and to add to that, if they really wanted to get you they could just hammer you with attempting to mfg. I wouldn't play with it. It does nothing for the gun in any way, and could just lead to way too many headaches down the road.


    Well would still end up the same place. It is not illegal to make NFA items if you do the proper paperwork. To legally build your own silencer you just fill out a Form 1 and submit it with the $200 tax to the ATF.
  • cpermdcpermd Member Posts: 5,416 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BaseJumper
    So, if you have it registered properly do they make you carry a permit with the weapon at all times to prove that it is properly registered? Do they put a barcode tattoo on your forearm?




    No, but I do carry a small copy of my tax stamp.
    It is actually illegal for a LEO to ask to see the paperwork because it is priveleged tax info.

    CP
  • Mr. FriendlyMr. Friendly Member Posts: 7,981
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
    quote:Originally posted by Todesengel


    and to add to that, if they really wanted to get you they could just hammer you with attempting to mfg. I wouldn't play with it. It does nothing for the gun in any way, and could just lead to way too many headaches down the road.


    Well would still end up the same place. It is not illegal to make NFA items if you do the proper paperwork. To legally build your own silencer you just fill out a Form 1 and submit it with the $200 tax to the ATF.



    no I fully understand that. In missouri we have to get our c&r first THE apply for the tax stamp [xx(]. I would say it is a little too much to go through for a fake tube
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cpermd
    quote:Originally posted by BaseJumper
    So, if you have it registered properly do they make you carry a permit with the weapon at all times to prove that it is properly registered? Do they put a barcode tattoo on your forearm?




    No, but I do carry a small copy of my tax stamp.
    It is actually illegal for a LEO to ask to see the paperwork because it is priveleged tax info.

    CP


    +1 you just beat me too it.
  • steveaustinsteveaustin Member Posts: 852 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nwcid

    "Well I am not a lawyer or a LEO but sounds like a serious case of false arrest to me. Since I was not there to know the exact details the only thing I can say is there is something seriously wrong with that."

    I would agree but I choose not to pursue it. I was driving with out of date tags and I could have avoided my own blunder. There was something wrong with that arrest though, I wasn't read my rights until 12 hours later when the judge showed up. Go figure.
  • WCIWCI Member Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Question #2, I have read a good bit on construction of these and know several members here who have made there own. If I where to go the stamp route to legally make one and it proves to be more trouble than its worth could I destroy what I have assembled and purchase one instead with out needing a second stamp?
  • yoshmysteryoshmyster Member Posts: 19,561 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It might suppress muzzle flash. If you live in California you'll get popped for that.

    I would love me a place that makes fake cans the size of a beer can with any brand anodized on it. I think a Pabst fake can would be cool.
  • CrittergitterCrittergitter Member Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by storm6490

    yeah its legal but that copper will heat up and crack.


    I'd like to see you heat up a length of copper pipe and make it crack!
    When you accomplish this feat, show me a picture.



    Crit. (who works with copper on a daily basis.)
  • storm6490storm6490 Member Posts: 8,010
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Crittergitter
    quote:Originally posted by storm6490

    yeah its legal but that copper will heat up and crack.


    I'd like to see you heat up a length of copper pipe and make it crack!
    When you accomplish this feat, show me a picture.



    Crit. (who works with copper on a daily basis.)


    I have a better Idea smart *. Take your plumbing skills and make fake silencer for your weapon. Shoot a few hundred rounds in it, let it sit for a day and then go to the range and repeat. The heat will change the alignment of the molecules on the copper tubing and will allow it to crack under pressure. I'm sure you heat up copper all day but do you have it placed under the pressure of a muzzle blast?

    How many silencers do you see made out of copper?

    Yeah, I don't know poop about metals or anything... Go ahead and make a freaking copper silencer..

    Jesus H Christ some people are nuts.
  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    WCI, if you are going to make a silencer be sure to check local laws first. Some states it is illegal to own a silencer even with a stamp.
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by WCI
    Question #2, I have read a good bit on construction of these and know several members here who have made there own. If I where to go the stamp route to legally make one and it proves to be more trouble than its worth could I destroy what I have assembled and purchase one instead with out needing a second stamp?


    To build you fill out a Form 1 and submit $200 and wait. When it is returned approved only then are you allowed to build one. If you decide not to build it then you will have a piece of worthless paper and a stamp that cost you $200. If you start building it and quit then those parts will ALWAYS be silencer parts and require proper transfer or be properly destroyed.

    If you buy a can it will be on a Form 4 and no they are not the same and no you can not change your mind and use it for the other.
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