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...he killed a lion
pwillie
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If you want to shoot a lion there are places to do it and tags to get, this guy is nothing but a rich poacher. (And makes the rest of us look bad)
Lets be straight up about it, he killed a semi tame zoo lion with a collar that was about as popular as Willie B the gorilla was here at the Atlanta zoo with the visitors to that park. He (and or the guide) lured the lion outside the park over a period of time and then shot it.
If you want to shoot a lion there are places to do it and tags to get, this guy is nothing but a rich poacher. (And makes the rest of us look bad)
I have been offered hunts (white tail) in Texas,where they show you a video of a 150+ class buck,that can be shot for a hefty sum of money....never ever wanted to shoot a "barn yard" animal...too me its no different in what the dentist did..I'm pretty sure the dentist knew what was going on...his notoriety will cost him heavily..
Whether it's killing an animal you're not going to eat, driving a big honkin' pick up with handicapped plates, or always being a one-upper, their efforts to disguise their inadequacy is more offensive than the inadequacy itself.
I make it a point not to be involved with that kind of a person.
...I think the worse thing you could shoot on the Dark Continent would be a Zebra.....Why would anyone shoot a Zebra?[xx(]
I have a good friend who said the exact same thing the first few times he went there. So he got an Oryx and then years later a Sable and a few other things, all for meat, mounts or both. Usually I hear that the meat is donated to the locals in return for expedited processing of the cape/horns. (Still takes more than a year to get it back to the US) Anyway, last trip his wife decides that she wants Zebra rug. OK, whatever they are like cockroaches on New Orleans.... Well, not that time of year in that part of the continent! Took them ten days to track down one that met his tag and then bag it.
Lets be straight up about it, he killed a semi tame zoo lion with a collar that was about as popular as Willie B the gorilla was here at the Atlanta zoo with the visitors to that park. He (and or the guide) lured the lion outside the park over a period of time and then shot it.
If you want to shoot a lion there are places to do it and tags to get, this guy is nothing but a rich poacher. (And makes the rest of us look bad)
All canned hunts make us look bad, some worse than others, but they are legal. If there were a way to stop them without stepping all over somebody else's rights I'd be all for it. I don't think there is.
However, there is a much bigger picture most are ignorant of.
These cats as well as other big game are big money to poachers. The dirt poor villagers will help poachers for pay they desperately need in their poverty.
This will lead to the extermination of all the great African animals.
What most hunts are about is pricing them at a level that benefits the local villages more than helping the poachers.
This allows for very few kills, protects the existence of the breed and benefits the local economy and creates a desire for the villagers to resist poachers as it threatens their piece of the high price hunts.
While I still find this distasteful it is far better than blind idealism that will insure poachers decimate these animals as the likely alternative.
I have read what this dentist said and it seems he paid for a legal hunt and the guides took short cuts to make it easier and increase profits without the dentist knowing they were cheating.
He is being unfairly accused. I expect that from lefty liberals but am surprised at it here. I assume it is lack of information that has caused some to post unfairly
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
Having spent time in Africa I too have no desire to kill any animal that is not for food (except SD)
However, there is a much bigger picture most are ignorant of.
These cats as well as other big game are big money to poachers. The dirt poor villagers will help poachers for pay they desperately need in their poverty.
This will lead to the extermination of all the great African animals.
What most hunts are about is pricing them at a level that benefits the local villages more than helping the poachers.
This allows for very few kills, protects the existence of the breed and benefits the local economy and creates a desire for the villagers to resist poachers as it threatens their piece of the high price hunts.
While I still find this distasteful it is far better than blind idealism that will insure poachers decimate these animals as the likely alternative.
I have read what this dentist said and it seems he paid for a legal hunt and the guides took short cuts to make it easier and increase profits without the dentist knowing they were cheating.
He is being unfairly accused. I expect that from lefty liberals but am surprised at it here. I assume it is lack of information that has caused some to post unfairly
Wulfe: While I agree with your post about the reasons for the hunts,this Dr. should have known what was going on...he is not dumb!. He couldn't have gotten through med school...not really attacking him as much as scolding him for letting it happen...some times a quest can get in the way of reality...BTW , there are many folks that will do anything for a trophy! I have a friend(business associate) that paid 30,000. for a 240 class white tail he shot under High Fence!...and he was legal...
I have read what this dentist said and it seems he paid for a legal hunt and the guides took short cuts to make it easier and increase profits without the dentist knowing they were cheating.
He is being unfairly accused. I expect that from lefty liberals but am surprised at it here. I assume it is lack of information that has caused some to post unfairly
He can blame it on the guide all he wants, but at the end of the day he was the one that looked down the barrelsights of his bow and shot a lion that clearly was wearing a tracking collar. Read the SCI release on him...
A lion Trophy fee is more like $10,000.00-$15,000.00.........
I would like to hear the whole story.
This is not the 17th or 18th century, killing animals like the "The big four" in Africa is simply killing for the sake of killing.
When I was in Africa, I went on a safari ..... a camera safari, had almost the identical experience (minus the rifle and kill) and found it to be totally satisfying and exhilarating and it was $25,000 less money.
Killing problem animals, I can see, killing to make the population of that species more healthy, sure ..... but for a wall hanger ... hell no.
No matter what these guys think, killing a Lion will not make your sex organ larger.
You don't just jump off a plane in Zimbabwe and shoot a Lion. This is all on the guides.
Lets be straight up about it, he killed a semi tame zoo lion with a collar that was about as popular as Willie B the gorilla was here at the Atlanta zoo with the visitors to that park. He (and or the guide) lured the lion outside the park over a period of time and then shot it.
If you want to shoot a lion there are places to do it and tags to get, this guy is nothing but a rich poacher. (And makes the rest of us look bad)
X-Ring.
Your PH tells you what to shoot and what not to shoot. He tells you when and where to shoot.
There are no fences at the 200,000 + acre National parks....
55K isn't making any sense to me.
There has to be an awful lot more to this story.
http://www.africahuntlodge.com/lion_hunt_package.asp
I do not like killing these animals but throwing him to the liberals to be PC is not right.
I too have hunted them with a camera.
The most wonderful of all African animals is the elephant. When you see them interact in a caring way for each other and not bother any other animal you can't imagine anyone wanting to kill one yet they were slaughtered by many big game hunters and there is no thrill of the hunt you can just walk up and shoot one at close range in the brain.
The most dangerous African animal is the hippopotamus and they kill more humans than any other animal on the dark continent
This photo was in Botswana on tribal land where we camped out and lions could come into camp at night so you were advised at the likelihood of death to keep your tent zipped up.
One 9 year old (why any parent would bring a 9 year old on this type of trip bewilders me) left his unzipped. Hyenas dragged him off. they found enough remains to make a positive identity.
Male lions like the one above weigh in at 500 pounds, nothing to take lightly
"Fools learn from their own mistakes. I learn from the mistakes of others"
Otto von Bismarck
Granted it's unfair but the majority of the public have never hunted and damn the killing of anything while they sit at the dinner table eating some cut of meat, fish or fowl that they think just magically appears in the grocery store meat case.
All that said, Mr. Palmer had to have known what he was doing when he took that shot with a bow. He can point his finger at the guide or whoever but, he took the shot. This is not the first time he has been busted for something that most ethical hunters would not do.
Cut n paste
According to U.S. court records, Palmer pleaded guilty in 2008 to making false statements to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service about a black bear he fatally shot in western Wisconsin.
We are getting the 'Bad Dentist' side of this story only, however, and as such, have to take it with a grain of salt. While it does appear that the his guides purposely lured a lion out of a protected reserve, we do not yet know whether he was aware exactly what they were doing.
The biggest problem I see, is the removal of the tracking collar and hiding rather than reporting this.
Again, this may have been his guides, but it seems he could have found someone and reported it. Suggests he is not 100% above pushing the law.
Time will tell. He is already judged guilty and his life is fundamentally changed until the wind direction changes.
Brad Steele
Something stinks.
A lion Trophy fee is more like $10,000.00-$15,000.00.........
I would like to hear the whole story.
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These folks need to get a friggin life. It is a lion..an animal. Articles I read said he paid for a legal hunt. Guide wanted him to shoot this one.
Even if you were thinning the herd for all the right reasons, if the animal is healthy and won't be taken for meat, it seems kind of like a di-k thing to do.
Here's a rich white American, willing to pay through the nose to kill a Lion, while everyone else does the "hunting". And for what? A thrill? I sometimes think that these are the kinds of people who would also pay to hunt a person on some island somewhere...
I know, it's a jump, but who wants to kill a lion?
There's something really distasteful about this. There's a difference between wildlife conservation and management and a canned "hunt".
Even if you were thinning the herd for all the right reasons, if the animal is healthy and won't be taken for meat, it seems kind of like a di-k thing to do.
Here's a rich white American, willing to pay through the nose to kill a Lion, while everyone else does the "hunting". And for what? A thrill? I sometimes think that these are the kinds of people who would also pay to hunt a person on some island somewhere...
I know, it's a jump, but who wants to kill a lion?
Me
I had it made into a rug. I have the skull and floating bones. The natives took the rest. They eat it.
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quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
There's something really distasteful about this. There's a difference between wildlife conservation and management and a canned "hunt".
Even if you were thinning the herd for all the right reasons, if the animal is healthy and won't be taken for meat, it seems kind of like a di-k thing to do.
Here's a rich white American, willing to pay through the nose to kill a Lion, while everyone else does the "hunting". And for what? A thrill? I sometimes think that these are the kinds of people who would also pay to hunt a person on some island somewhere...
I know, it's a jump, but who wants to kill a lion?
Me
I had it made into a rug. I have the skull and floating bones. The natives took the rest. They eat it.
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Apples and oranges.I assume you took your wild lion in the bush as opposed to a 13 year old tagged lion named Cecil with a collar that the natives could have taken and eaten anytime they wanted too.
I'm not opposed to hunting lions or anything sporting but killing that lion was like shooting fish in a barrel except for the fact that it took 40 hours of tracking to find and kill the wounded lion.
quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
There's something really distasteful about this. There's a difference between wildlife conservation and management and a canned "hunt".
Even if you were thinning the herd for all the right reasons, if the animal is healthy and won't be taken for meat, it seems kind of like a di-k thing to do.
Here's a rich white American, willing to pay through the nose to kill a Lion, while everyone else does the "hunting". And for what? A thrill? I sometimes think that these are the kinds of people who would also pay to hunt a person on some island somewhere...
I know, it's a jump, but who wants to kill a lion?
Me
I had it made into a rug. I have the skull and floating bones. The natives took the rest. They eat it.
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Apples and oranges.I assume you took your wild lion in the bush as opposed to a 13 year old tagged lion named Cecil with a collar that the natives could have taken and eaten anytime they wanted too.
I'm not opposed to hunting lions or anything sporting but killing that lion was like shooting fish in a barrel except for the fact that it took 40 hours of tracking to find and kill the wounded lion.
I agree with you. But, We do not know the details with Palmer and "Cecil"
And the details we do have, are courtesy of a media that can't get simple things right, and makes no effort to do so when they can make gunowners/hunters look bad.
There's something really distasteful about this. There's a difference between wildlife conservation and management and a canned "hunt".
Even if you were thinning the herd for all the right reasons, if the animal is healthy and won't be taken for meat, it seems kind of like a di-k thing to do.
Here's a rich white American, willing to pay through the nose to kill a Lion, while everyone else does the "hunting". And for what? A thrill? I sometimes think that these are the kinds of people who would also pay to hunt a person on some island somewhere...
I know, it's a jump, but who wants to kill a lion?
Choice... Choice.. Anyone can choose what they want to do. I wouldn't have went close to that thing with a Bow and Arrow.
Atleast he wasn't harvesting human fetuses for profit using taxpayer funding...that would be terrible![B)]
Now, now. We don't want to muddy the waters with those crazy accusations. We just want to hassle this dentist, get him arrested and hopefully ruin him and his practice because of him killing this animal. Of course, all we have to go by is the MSM and their interpretation of what really happened. Hurry up and crucify him and let's not wait until the truth comes out.
Canned hunts are an abomination ... Period !
Anyone that participates in such activity deserves all the bad Karma they generate.
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