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I saw in another post where you said you were Jewish. Do you get offended by the jokes about Jews on South Park? I am asking this in seriousness and you have prolly heard it before.
Ya got Mail, and did anyone contact ya about the get together, and motels or whatever. I aint heard from anyone, other than to say they would be there.
So you people, this is not a personal note to Hairy, let us know what needs to be done
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
As of this posting, you hadn't responded to the following post. I respect that you push people to back up their opinions, this one obviously did. Your reply?
quote:Posted - 08/01/2005 : 04:53:58 AM
HAIRY,
Just a little news flash for you. I DO speak, read and write Arabic! I just completed 21 years of active duty in the U.S. Army and a good portion of that time was well spent in language schools. No, I'm not talking about 3 day head start classes, I'm talking about 6 to 9 months 8 hours a day. I also speak, read and write fluent Thai.
I have read the Quran in Arabic and 2 English translations, so I KNOW for a fact that there is no discernable difference between them. To tell the real truth, there is no such thing as the Quran and there never has been.
After Mohammed's death in AD632, there was no collection of his revelations. Many of his followers tried to gather all the known revelations and write them down in codex form. Soon there were codices from several scholars such as Ibn Mas'ud, Ubai b Kab, Ali', Abu Bakr, al-Ash'ari, al-Aswad and dozens of others. As Islam spread, the Metropolitan Codices in the centers of Mecca, Medina, Damascus, Kufa, and Basra appeared. In all, there are no less than 14 versions of the Quran generally accepted by Islamic scholars. These include:
1. Nafi of Medina (d. A.D.785)
2. Ibn Kathir of Mecca (d. A.D.737)
3. Ibn Amir of Damascus (d. A.D. 736)
4. Abu Amr of Basra (d. A.D. 770)
5. Asim of Kufa (d. A.D. 744)
6. Hamza of Kufa (d. A.D. 772)
7. Al-Kasai of Kufa (d. A.D. 804)
Add to this the fact that over 300 words in the Quran must be considered foreign: words from Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, Etheopic, Persian, and Greek. The word Quran itself comes from the Syriac, and Mohammed obviously got it from Christian sources that migrated into Arabia. There is nothing pure about the Arabic used in the Quran because it is actually composed of so many other languages. To claim that one cannot understand the Quran without knowing Arabic is pure HOGWASH. Ooops, hope I did'nt offend you with the hog thing.
After reading the Quran several times, I know full well what kind of a man Mohammed really was and what Jihad is really all about. I also have a very good idea of how badly Muslims lie to those they consider to be infidels or dhimmi's or whatever title they want to use. A lie to another Muslim is considered a sin, a lie to an infidel is considered to be a legitimate tactic, and that brings us back to the "Fatwa" and my original argument. Feel free to point out anything in my prior post that is factually incorrect. I can hardly wait to hear how Sura 47.4 REALLY means that Muslims should have a bake sale and give the proceeds to the Boy Scouts.
"Tell me, why is it that I should trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away....? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights..."
In a post that is now locked you speak of unicorns being spoke about in the Bible. Well the original Hebrew word that is written as unicorn is rem which is WILD BULL in the king james it is unicorn I thought you might want to know.
col elect1mike Illinois
volinters RRG
I am a man but I can change if I have to,I guess.
Since you contend that the palestinians are the original inhabitants of Israel, and since you contend that the Israeli's should leave based on the prior, then by the same token, since native american indians are the original inhabitants of North America, you either need to back up your "beliefs" and leave North America, or shut the he## up about the Israel/Palestine issue!
quote:Originally posted by furholler
New thread. The other is too far gone. Now, you're still drilling for oil. Just answer this, do you agree that we all get truth from somewhere? Right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. [:)]
I think we stumble over and accept things we call "truth". Some appear to be valid, until such time we learn or obtain experience to the contrary. And then, even if we recognize the validity of the new information, it is very, very difficult to give up preciously held ideas and convictions.
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by furholler
New thread. The other is too far gone. Now, you're still drilling for oil. Just answer this, do you agree that we all get truth from somewhere? Right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. [:)]
I think we stumble over and accept things we call "truth". Some appear to be valid, until such time we learn or obtain experience to the contrary. And then, even if we recognize the validity of the new information, it is very, very difficult to give up preciously held ideas and convictions.
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
Hairy...you are smarter than that...and I know it.
quote:Originally posted by ECC
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by furholler
New thread. The other is too far gone. Now, you're still drilling for oil. Just answer this, do you agree that we all get truth from somewhere? Right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. [:)]
I think we stumble over and accept things we call "truth". Some appear to be valid, until such time we learn or obtain experience to the contrary. And then, even if we recognize the validity of the new information, it is very, very difficult to give up preciously held ideas and convictions.
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
Hairy...you are smarter than that...and I know it.
WOW, now that is a S T R E T C H!! [;)]
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
Try this abstract truth. We are all born into this world, and we will all eventually die... 50% of you sooner than the other 50%.
This would be true, Hairy, if we relied upon human wisdom. Which, as history has proven, is fallible. Who is your authority? Even if it is yourself, you must aknowlege one?
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by furholler
New thread. The other is too far gone. Now, you're still drilling for oil. Just answer this, do you agree that we all get truth from somewhere? Right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. [:)]
I think we stumble over and accept things we call "truth". Some appear to be valid, until such time we learn or obtain experience to the contrary. And then, even if we recognize the validity of the new information, it is very, very difficult to give up preciously held ideas and convictions.
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
I agree with Hairy 100%. What is the truth? In 1500, the truth was, the earth is flat. This is a great topic when you think about it. The truth is--only a generally accepted idea that is valid at that time in history. Hairy is right on track.[:)]
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
Try this abstract truth. We are all born into this world, and we will all eventually die... 50% of you sooner than the other 50%.
Yeah - Life is a sexually transmitted disease that causes death..
quote:I agree with Hairy 100%. What is the truth? In 1500, the truth was, the earth is flat. This is a great topic when you think about it. The truth is--only a generally accepted idea that is valid at that time in history. Hairy is right on track.[:)]
[/quote]I agree with Hairy 100%. What is the truth? In 1500, the truth was, the earth is flat. This is a great topic when you think about it. The truth is--only a generally accepted idea that is valid at that time in history. Hairy is right on track.[:)]
[/quote]
Nope. In 1500, the truth was that the earth was more-or-less roundy, sort of. The fact that folks THOUGHT it was flat was just erroneous thinking, rather than a change in what was true. Nothing is different these days...truth doesn't change, just our perceptions based on information available at the time. What we consider to be rock-solid facts today may in time be proven incorrect. If so, the truth hasn't changed, just our body of knowledge about that truth.
I agree with Hairy 100%. What is the truth? In 1500, the truth was, the earth is flat. This is a great topic when you think about it. The truth is--only a generally accepted idea that is valid at that time in history. Hairy is right on track.[:)]
[/quote]
Nope. In 1500, the truth was that the earth was more-or-less roundy, sort of. The fact that folks THOUGHT it was flat was just erroneous thinking, rather than a change in what was true. Nothing is different these days...truth doesn't change, just our perceptions based on information available at the time. What we consider to be rock-solid facts today may in time be proven incorrect. If so, the truth hasn't changed, just our body of knowledge about that truth.
[/quote]
If we all get truth from somewhere, then truth is fungible. The earth being flat is thus not true or false merely a fact. Fact becomes true when we accept it.
For example. Global warming is fact. That humans cause it is considered true by many and considered non-true by many others. If you get your truth from Scientific American, Global Warming is fact, it is true, and that man is contributing is also true.
If you get your truth from the American Spectator, Global warming, though still fact, is not true, and that man is contributing is also not true.
No matter what we do, or how much we learn, there will always be fact that is both true and not true. That is a fact (and it is also true).
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
But that is the essence of the thread.
If we all get truth from somewhere, then truth is fungible. The earth being flat is thus not true or false merely a fact. Fact becomes true when we accept it.
For example. Global warming is fact. That humans cause it is considered true by many and considered non-true by many others. If you get your truth from Scientific American, Global Warming is fact, it is true, and that man is contributing is also true.
If you get your truth from the American Spectator, Global warming, though still fact, is not true, and that man is contributing is also not true.
No matter what we do, or how much we learn, there will always be fact that is both true and not true. That is a fact (and it is also true).
Global warming is NOT a fact. There is no scientific proof of any of these theories. All this proves is if you say something in a convincing way people will accept it as truth. Trouble is, it is not truth because it is wrong. [:)]
Comments
Be happy and enjoy spending time with someone.
Dont be so bitter. Sure its silly, but so is trying to piss on everyone else
http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/hinckley.htm
rcdis
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
So you people, this is not a personal note to Hairy, let us know what needs to be done
"I dont care how thin you make a pancake, it still has two sides"
"A wise man is a man that realizes just how little he knows"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
A different view on the news.
rcdis
quote:Posted - 08/01/2005 : 04:53:58 AM
HAIRY,
Just a little news flash for you. I DO speak, read and write Arabic! I just completed 21 years of active duty in the U.S. Army and a good portion of that time was well spent in language schools. No, I'm not talking about 3 day head start classes, I'm talking about 6 to 9 months 8 hours a day. I also speak, read and write fluent Thai.
I have read the Quran in Arabic and 2 English translations, so I KNOW for a fact that there is no discernable difference between them. To tell the real truth, there is no such thing as the Quran and there never has been.
After Mohammed's death in AD632, there was no collection of his revelations. Many of his followers tried to gather all the known revelations and write them down in codex form. Soon there were codices from several scholars such as Ibn Mas'ud, Ubai b Kab, Ali', Abu Bakr, al-Ash'ari, al-Aswad and dozens of others. As Islam spread, the Metropolitan Codices in the centers of Mecca, Medina, Damascus, Kufa, and Basra appeared. In all, there are no less than 14 versions of the Quran generally accepted by Islamic scholars. These include:
1. Nafi of Medina (d. A.D.785)
2. Ibn Kathir of Mecca (d. A.D.737)
3. Ibn Amir of Damascus (d. A.D. 736)
4. Abu Amr of Basra (d. A.D. 770)
5. Asim of Kufa (d. A.D. 744)
6. Hamza of Kufa (d. A.D. 772)
7. Al-Kasai of Kufa (d. A.D. 804)
Add to this the fact that over 300 words in the Quran must be considered foreign: words from Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, Etheopic, Persian, and Greek. The word Quran itself comes from the Syriac, and Mohammed obviously got it from Christian sources that migrated into Arabia. There is nothing pure about the Arabic used in the Quran because it is actually composed of so many other languages. To claim that one cannot understand the Quran without knowing Arabic is pure HOGWASH. Ooops, hope I did'nt offend you with the hog thing.
After reading the Quran several times, I know full well what kind of a man Mohammed really was and what Jihad is really all about. I also have a very good idea of how badly Muslims lie to those they consider to be infidels or dhimmi's or whatever title they want to use. A lie to another Muslim is considered a sin, a lie to an infidel is considered to be a legitimate tactic, and that brings us back to the "Fatwa" and my original argument. Feel free to point out anything in my prior post that is factually incorrect. I can hardly wait to hear how Sura 47.4 REALLY means that Muslims should have a bake sale and give the proceeds to the Boy Scouts.
"Tell me, why is it that I should trade one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away....? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights..."
http://media.putfile.com/irandye
So, THANKS!
-spurge.
"when you see the enemy, you attack and shoot him down, anything less is just bull shi*
Baron Von Richthofen (RED BARON)
col elect1mike Illinois
volinters RRG
I am a man but I can change if I have to,I guess.
New thread. The other is too far gone. Now, you're still drilling for oil. Just answer this, do you agree that we all get truth from somewhere? Right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. [:)]
I think we stumble over and accept things we call "truth". Some appear to be valid, until such time we learn or obtain experience to the contrary. And then, even if we recognize the validity of the new information, it is very, very difficult to give up preciously held ideas and convictions.
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
quote:Originally posted by furholler
New thread. The other is too far gone. Now, you're still drilling for oil. Just answer this, do you agree that we all get truth from somewhere? Right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. [:)]
I think we stumble over and accept things we call "truth". Some appear to be valid, until such time we learn or obtain experience to the contrary. And then, even if we recognize the validity of the new information, it is very, very difficult to give up preciously held ideas and convictions.
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
Hairy...you are smarter than that...and I know it.
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
quote:Originally posted by furholler
New thread. The other is too far gone. Now, you're still drilling for oil. Just answer this, do you agree that we all get truth from somewhere? Right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. [:)]
I think we stumble over and accept things we call "truth". Some appear to be valid, until such time we learn or obtain experience to the contrary. And then, even if we recognize the validity of the new information, it is very, very difficult to give up preciously held ideas and convictions.
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
Hairy...you are smarter than that...and I know it.
WOW, now that is a S T R E T C H!! [;)]
Kitty offers more than class! [:D]
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
Try this abstract truth. We are all born into this world, and we will all eventually die... 50% of you sooner than the other 50%.
WACA Historian & Life Member
Good point Bert. [:)]
quote:Originally posted by furholler
New thread. The other is too far gone. Now, you're still drilling for oil. Just answer this, do you agree that we all get truth from somewhere? Right or wrong is irrelevant at this time. [:)]
I think we stumble over and accept things we call "truth". Some appear to be valid, until such time we learn or obtain experience to the contrary. And then, even if we recognize the validity of the new information, it is very, very difficult to give up preciously held ideas and convictions.
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
I agree with Hairy 100%. What is the truth? In 1500, the truth was, the earth is flat. This is a great topic when you think about it. The truth is--only a generally accepted idea that is valid at that time in history. Hairy is right on track.[:)]
quote:Originally posted by HAIRY
I do not think there is such a thing as an absolutely valid abstract truth that will never be subject to change or modification. IMO, things and ideas are true--for the moment.
Try this abstract truth. We are all born into this world, and we will all eventually die... 50% of you sooner than the other 50%.
Yeah - Life is a sexually transmitted disease that causes death..
You mean.... Hairy is flat ??!!?? [:D]
[/quote]
Nope. In 1500, the truth was that the earth was more-or-less roundy, sort of. The fact that folks THOUGHT it was flat was just erroneous thinking, rather than a change in what was true. Nothing is different these days...truth doesn't change, just our perceptions based on information available at the time. What we consider to be rock-solid facts today may in time be proven incorrect. If so, the truth hasn't changed, just our body of knowledge about that truth.
I agree with Hairy 100%. What is the truth? In 1500, the truth was, the earth is flat. This is a great topic when you think about it. The truth is--only a generally accepted idea that is valid at that time in history. Hairy is right on track.[:)]
[/quote]
Nope. In 1500, the truth was that the earth was more-or-less roundy, sort of. The fact that folks THOUGHT it was flat was just erroneous thinking, rather than a change in what was true. Nothing is different these days...truth doesn't change, just our perceptions based on information available at the time. What we consider to be rock-solid facts today may in time be proven incorrect. If so, the truth hasn't changed, just our body of knowledge about that truth.
[/quote]
Nicely put, T.S.F[:)]
If we all get truth from somewhere, then truth is fungible. The earth being flat is thus not true or false merely a fact. Fact becomes true when we accept it.
For example. Global warming is fact. That humans cause it is considered true by many and considered non-true by many others. If you get your truth from Scientific American, Global Warming is fact, it is true, and that man is contributing is also true.
If you get your truth from the American Spectator, Global warming, though still fact, is not true, and that man is contributing is also not true.
No matter what we do, or how much we learn, there will always be fact that is both true and not true. That is a fact (and it is also true).
Brad Steele
But that is the essence of the thread.
If we all get truth from somewhere, then truth is fungible. The earth being flat is thus not true or false merely a fact. Fact becomes true when we accept it.
For example. Global warming is fact. That humans cause it is considered true by many and considered non-true by many others. If you get your truth from Scientific American, Global Warming is fact, it is true, and that man is contributing is also true.
If you get your truth from the American Spectator, Global warming, though still fact, is not true, and that man is contributing is also not true.
No matter what we do, or how much we learn, there will always be fact that is both true and not true. That is a fact (and it is also true).
Global warming is NOT a fact. There is no scientific proof of any of these theories. All this proves is if you say something in a convincing way people will accept it as truth. Trouble is, it is not truth because it is wrong. [:)]