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reloader44mag
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If your white dauaghter was raped by a Black man ...and became pregnant...would you encourage her to have and support the child?...just curious?....MODS THIS CAN BE BE MOVED TO POLITICS IF NEEDED
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Oh, this cannot end well....
So what you say?
depends on her age, but once again I would support her in HER choice. Problamatical tho, because I'd be in jail...for murder
In this case age does not matter
Are you just trying to pick a fight?
nunn move it to politics and no I'm not trying to pick a fight...maybe I have a real life experience to reflect on and would like opinions
Are you just trying to pick a fight?
and if needed you can revrese the the race question...its fine by me ...cause ya see rape is rape...right?
My kids are going to know my political views very well but things like that are ultimately their choice. I think I'd like my daughter to have the baby but would not be surprised or upset if she gave it up for adoption.
Noble of her choice.."I'd like her to"...spendy proposition...but nice choice carry a child to term and say ...see ya...thats a tuff choice ya made for her
abort
I appreciate your honesty...Rack Ops...could you explain to everyone here why you would encourage this choice to your daughter?
Get rid of it. Adoption or abortion. Whatever your beliefs allow. Could you imagine raising the child knowing how it was conceived? Everytime you look at the kid and being reminded what happened.
I think the question is interesting, but also a bit sad. Does it matter that the rapist is black? I suppose that's important because you are (perhaps) trying to show that even the most staunch pro-lifer will recoil at something and will in some way demand access to abortion.
But the question alone, without the guy's race, is still a vexing one. Should a woman have to carry to term a child she did not want and that was forced upon her? That just by itself is one heck of a tough question.
Almost all laws and and legal principles in America have some wiggle room. You're not supposed to kill people, and that counts for almost all situations. At the same time, if somebody is breaking into your house and intent on doing you harm, you can kill him. There's some wiggle room. You're not supposed to steal. At the same time, if a fellow is caught stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family, the cop might give the thief a few dollars out of his own pocket or take him to a food bank or what have you. There's some wiggle room.
And yet with abortion, many want there to be no wiggle room at all. No abortion for anybody, not in cases of rape or incest, in cases where the mother's health is jeprodized, etc. And I think many Americans recoil from this. It's power without mercy or discretion, and that's always a terrible thing.
The salient point is the rape and what to do about the pregnancy as a result.
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
Oh, this cannot end well....
So what you say?
Abortion is murder, for one. I refuse to argue my belief, nor will I apologize for it. I say that not to cut you off, personally, but to get the point across to anyone else here that cares to tell me that I'm wrong, or that desires to start a pissing match over it.[:)]
That being said, adopt the kid out.
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
Oh, this cannot end well....
So what you say?
Abortion is murder, for one. I refuse to argue my belief, nor will I apologize for it. I say that not to cut you off, personally, but to get the point across to anyone else here that cares to tell me that I'm wrong, or that desires to start a pissing match over it.[:)]
That being said, adopt the kid out.
Tell your daughter that
quote:Originally posted by swopjan
My kids are going to know my political views very well but things like that are ultimately their choice. I think I'd like my daughter to have the baby but would not be surprised or upset if she gave it up for adoption.
Noble of her choice.."I'd like her to"...spendy proposition...but nice choice carry a child to term and say ...see ya...thats a tuff choice ya made for her
I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's my personal opinion that having a child be adopted is in all cases preferable to killing it, nothing tough about it.
And I happen to know a woman who WAS raped by a black man and bore his child. He's been adopted and is a happy toddler in a better environment than if he hadn't been adopted, and still alive to boot!
What difference does it make if he was white, black, or Carthaginian[?]
The salient point is the rape and what to do about the pregnancy as a result.
We all know you like guys so this is any easy question for you....right?
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
quote:Originally posted by swopjan
My kids are going to know my political views very well but things like that are ultimately their choice. I think I'd like my daughter to have the baby but would not be surprised or upset if she gave it up for adoption.
Noble of her choice.."I'd like her to"...spendy proposition...but nice choice carry a child to term and say ...see ya...thats a tuff choice ya made for her
I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's my personal opinion that having a child be adopted is in all cases preferable to killing it, nothing tough about it.
And I happen to know a woman who WAS raped by a black man and bore his child. He's been adopted and is a happy toddler in a better environment than if he hadn't been adopted, and still alive to boot!
It,s your daughters choice NOT YOURS...hows that
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
Oh, this cannot end well....
So what you say?
Abortion is murder, for one. I refuse to argue my belief, nor will I apologize for it. I say that not to cut you off, personally, but to get the point across to anyone else here that cares to tell me that I'm wrong, or that desires to start a pissing match over it.[:)]
That being said, adopt the kid out.
Tell your daughter that
If you don't want our opinions why did you ask for them?
quote:Originally posted by swopjan
quote:Originally posted by reloader44mag
quote:Originally posted by swopjan
My kids are going to know my political views very well but things like that are ultimately their choice. I think I'd like my daughter to have the baby but would not be surprised or upset if she gave it up for adoption.
Noble of her choice.."I'd like her to"...spendy proposition...but nice choice carry a child to term and say ...see ya...thats a tuff choice ya made for her
I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's my personal opinion that having a child be adopted is in all cases preferable to killing it, nothing tough about it.
And I happen to know a woman who WAS raped by a black man and bore his child. He's been adopted and is a happy toddler in a better environment than if he hadn't been adopted, and still alive to boot!
It,s your daughters choice NOT YOURS...hows that
See bolded text in my original post.
Abortion is the toughest issue in American politics. There's nothing else that's even close.
I think the question is interesting, but also a bit sad. Does it matter that the rapist is black? I suppose that's important because you are (perhaps) trying to show that even the most staunch pro-lifer will recoil at something and will in some way demand access to abortion.
But the question alone, without the guy's race, is still a vexing one. Should a woman have to carry to term a child she did not want and that was forced upon her? That just by itself is one heck of a tough question.
Almost all laws and and legal principles in America have some wiggle room. You're not supposed to kill people, and that counts for almost all situations. At the same time, if somebody is breaking into your house and intent on doing you harm, you can kill him. There's some wiggle room. You're not supposed to steal. At the same time, if a fellow is caught stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family, the cop might give the thief a few dollars out of his own pocket or take him to a food bank or what have you. There's some wiggle room.
And yet with abortion, many want there to be no wiggle room at all. No abortion for anybody, not in cases of rape or incest, in cases where the mother's health is jeprodized, etc. And I think many Americans recoil from this. It's power without mercy or discretion, and that's always a terrible thing.
My issue with abortion is this late term BS. If She decides that abortion is the rout then it should be done ASAP. How far into it do they say the nerves develop? 6 weeks? If its not done at that point then she should have to carry to full term and adopt out if desired. That said abortion isn't birth control. you play you pay. It should be reserved for when/if she was an unwilling participant.
I said what I did.
Had you not asked for opinions, I would've refrained from voicing mine.[;)]
I am white, my wife is part Mexican, although she looks white. Let's first assume that she chooses to keep the child. He is going to have big time identity crisis as to how to behave, he will be given a hard time from his schoolmates because of how he is raised and who his parents/grandparents are. From the aforementioned scenario they would both be living at my home. I would do everything I could to make sure the child had a good upbringing, education and to help my daughter continue on her way to a good education. No matter the sacrifice my daughter always comes first. While I would like to believe I would kill the sob that did it, I would have to pass. I am the sole provider in my household and I am just not smart enough to get away with it and would only be doing my family even more harm if I were to go to jail.
I would prefer that she give the child up for adoption I think if he were to go to a family that was more suited to raise a child such as this (let's assume mixed race couple) it would be easier for them to raise the child as at least one person in family would have the same "background" as the child and thus could answer the inevitable questions that will come up as he grows older.
Abortion would be my last choice and I would argue vigorously against it. I don't care for it. I know that she is just 15 so I believe I could veto it but I would not. I think the wedge that would be driven between me and her would never be bridged.
ETA: I swear I was going somewhere with this when I started typing it but somewhere along the way I lost it and didn't realize it until I just finished reading it for the fourth time.
IMO adding the different race into the equation makes is a more problematic decision. The age is also an important factor as to who will be raising the child, where they will be living and her level of maturity. Let us assume it was my daughter (she is only six right now) and she is only fifteen, also for the sake of the sex of the child let us call it a boy.
I am white, my wife is part Mexican, although she looks white. Let's first assume that she chooses to keep the child. He is going to have big time identity crisis as to how to behave, he will be given a hard time from his schoolmates because of how he is raised and who his parents/grandparents are. From the aforementioned scenario they would both be living at my home. I would do everything I could to make sure the child had a good upbringing, education and to help my daughter continue on her way to a good education. No matter the sacrifice my daughter always comes first. While I would like to believe I would kill the sob that did it, I would have to pass. I am the sole provider in my household and I am just not smart enough to get away with it and would only be doing my family even more harm if I were to go to jail.
I would prefer that she give the child up for adoption I think if he were to go to a family that was more suited to raise a child such as this (let's assume mixed race couple) it would be easier for them to raise the child as at least one person in family would have the same "background" as the child and thus could answer the inevitable questions that will come up as he grows older.
Abortion would be my last choice and I would argue vigorously against it. I don't care for it. I know that she is just 15 so I believe I could veto it but I would not. I think the wedge that would be driven between me and her would never be bridged.
Good points cause I did not take into account an under age Girl.
I'd also be busy figuring out how to kill the buzzard.
If it were not a person, the entire question would be irrelevant.
I have no problem with sentencing rapists to death.
of it.Especially a black guy.
One reason would be, the child wouldn't have a father
If the rape results in a pregnancy, the baby has done no harm so I see no need to kill it.
You asked "So what you say?"
I said what I did.
Had you not asked for opinions, I would've refrained from voicing mine.[;)]
I agree with you 100% whelen. What gets me on this forum, let someone post a thread about hurting a dog or a cat, much less killing it and this forum goes ballistic. I in no way condone harming animals in ANY way. I love animals and have many of them, but I dont see how we can get so upset about animals but turn a blind eye to killing babys. It is murder, NOTHING can grow unless it is alive.
But as I am pro-choice if she chose to terminate the pregnancy it would not cause me philosophical trauma.
I can understand even a pro-life person not wanting to raise a child conceived in such a fashion. Not the child's fault but every time the mother looked at him she would relive the criminal attack in her mind.
Too old to live...too young to die...
Same answer if she was raped by a white guy. Or an Asian. Or an Indian. Or an alien. Or anyone else.
Get rid of it. Adoption or abortion. Whatever your beliefs allow. Could you imagine raising the child knowing how it was conceived? Everytime you look at the kid and being reminded what happened.
My girlfriends son is the product of date rape.
She wouldn't trade him for better health or all the gold in the world.
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
I would support her decision whatever it may be. She has enough trouble at that moment and I'd just be there for her whatever it may be. Race has no bearing.
I'd also be busy figuring out how to kill the buzzard.
That's where a Clean throw down comes in.
You toss it to him and as soon as he has fingerprints on it, double tap.
If I had a grandchild in oven the sperm donor's color would be the last thing on my list of concerns. Quite frankly even asking the question as posed is quite stupid and just a bit over the top IMNSHO.
The thread needs poofed, not moved.
I would tell her that I would love her regardless of any decision she chose to make.
I would tell her that I would help her through a pregnancy and help her through the process of adopting the child out.
I would tell her that I would help her through a pregnancy and love and support my grandchild if she chose to keep it.
I would tell her that I would drive her to where she needed to go, and wait in the car if she chose to terminate the pregnancy, and would clutch her tight to my chest when she was done, knowing she had just made a decision more difficult than any I have ever had to make.
In the abstract, my belief is that having and adopting out the child is the best moral choice. In the real world, the best thing is what is best for the woman involved.
Brad Steele