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Gunshow Manners

slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
edited November 2008 in General Discussion
Went to show in St. Louis this morning. Talked to a young man early in the show with a Savage 30 .22 (current production repo of Stevens Favorite) he wanted to sell for $150. Passed on it at the time. Was standing near the exit talking to a guy that I did not know about guns in general. Was waiting for my two friends to leave. Guy with the Savage was headed towards the door. Offered him $100 for the Savage. He said $125. Told him I would go $100 if he really wanted to sell it. Before I could get my cash out, the stranger next to me offered him $125. The young man with the gun got redfaced and asked me if it was OK. Felt sorry for the kid because the gun was worth more than that. I walked away cussing the stranger to myself. Was I wrong to be aggrevated? I was completeing a deal and the guy butted in. I make it a habit never to get involved in another persons transaction until I am sure the partys involved are done. I usually ask before I try to make a deal.
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  • footlongfootlong Member Posts: 8,009
    edited November -1
    44 You did right by holding your say. Being a gentleman with manners
    and respect is more important than money.[:)][:)][:)]
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  • sigarmsp226sigarmsp226 Member Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    44 - You are a better man than I am... If someone agreed to sell me a gun for one price and someone decides to out bid me in front of me and take the gun I was about to buy, well,,,,,, you are a better man than I am.... Not sure what I would have done, walked away fussing just like you but reading your topic and me having enough time to think about it I would have had to give him a little piece of my mind....
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    NEVER get in the middle of someone else's deal, unless you are at an auction. The guy offering $125 exhibited very bad manners. If he wanted the gun for $125, he should have patiently waited for the owner to either accept your $100 offer or pass on it. Once you two were done, he would have been free to offer the $125 to whichever of you now owns the gun.
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  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 26,270 ******
    edited November -1
    There's a sayin' around here, money talks and B.S. walks. Next time, be quicker with the cash.
    A $100 gun? C'mon.
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Was I wrong to be aggrevated? I was completeing a deal and the guy butted in. I make it a habit never to get involved in another persons transaction until I am sure the partys involved are done. I usually ask before I try to make a deal.

    Had the guy with the gun accepted your deal?...had he said yes?..if he didnt then the guy that offered more was maybe not "correct" in doing what he did, but if your offer wasnt accepted then all is fair...
    You said you felt sorry for the kid cause the gun was worth more than the 125 the guy offered but you only offered 100?...
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  • txlawdogtxlawdog Member Posts: 10,039 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Not good manners at all, I would have been whizzed...
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  • grdad45grdad45 Member Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I was set up at a gun show, and an old guy in the aisle was butting in on all the deals we were trying to make. I put up with it for about two hours. I told him to get away from my table. He got real obnoxious and loud. The promoter of the show finally had to get the LEO working security to escort him out.
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  • mameralmameral Member Posts: 12 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    He should have kept quite, but the thing that got me was quote:Felt sorry for the kid because the gun was worth more than that.I guess that IMHO, f you felt it was worth more than that why did you excpect to get it for the price you offered?
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  • Jacob2008Jacob2008 Member Posts: 19,528 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Karma.
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  • Dakota308Dakota308 Member Posts: 4,162
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
    Went to show in St. Louis this morning. Talked to a young man early in the show with a Savage 30 .22 (current production repo of Stevens Favorite) he wanted to sell for $150. Passed on it at the time. Was standing near the exit talking to a guy that I did not know about guns in general. Was waiting for my two friends to leave. Guy with the Savage was headed towards the door. Offered him $100 for the Savage. He said $125. Told him I would go $100 if he really wanted to sell it. Before I could get my cash out, the stranger next to me offered him $125. The young man with the gun got redfaced and asked me if it was OK. Felt sorry for the kid because the gun was worth more than that. I walked away cussing the stranger to myself. Was I wrong to be aggrevated? I was completeing a deal and the guy butted in. I make it a habit never to get involved in another persons transaction until I am sure the partys involved are done. I usually ask before I try to make a deal.



    no offense but you openly admit to trying to worm the price down. and took advantage that the kid had not yet sold his gun and made a desprate last effort to get it.

    someone else offered him what he wanted. your cash was no tin his hands...

    disagree if you want but in your own words you were trying to con him out of what he rightfully deserves.
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  • AnonymouseAnonymouse Member Posts: 4,050
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
    Felt sorry for the kid because the gun was worth more than that. I walked away cussing the stranger to myself. Was I wrong to be aggrevated?


    You knew the gun was worth more than what you were offering, but you are mad that someone offered more? Tacky. You got what you deserved.
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  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,840 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    It isn't "tacky" it is "capitalism." Tacky was the idiot butting in DURING the deal. He should have shut up, and waited to see if the kid too the $100. If not, he could have paid for it then.





    quote:Originally posted by P228
    quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
    Felt sorry for the kid because the gun was worth more than that. I walked away cussing the stranger to myself. Was I wrong to be aggrevated?


    You knew the gun was worth more than what you were offering, but you are mad that someone offered more? Tacky. You got what you deserved.
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  • Dakota308Dakota308 Member Posts: 4,162
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mercury
    It isn't "tacky" it is "capitalism." Tacky was the idiot butting in DURING the deal. He should have shut up, and waited to see if the kid too the $100. If not, he could have paid for it then.





    quote:Originally posted by P228
    quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
    Felt sorry for the kid because the gun was worth more than that. I walked away cussing the stranger to myself. Was I wrong to be aggrevated?


    You knew the gun was worth more than what you were offering, but you are mad that someone offered more? Tacky. You got what you deserved.




    Tacky? that is waiting on the kid to have no luck elsewhere and saying here is 100 for you gun which is worth more than that but i want you to take it in the rear on it.


    he should have butted back with more money
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  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Agree with Nunn 1,000,000% The other guy was an ahole, he should have waited for you to complete the transaction. Feel good and proud about yourself for your actions and being a respectable man. Yes it really sucks to loose a good gun at a good price, but I feel it is better to bring home your manners and pride to show others what you are made of as compared to what the other person is lacking. I feel that good things come to those who have compation and feelings. (HOPEFULLY THE GUN WAS STOLEN)!!

    T67
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  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Seems to me that the price was $125 and the other guy agreed to it.

    As Jacob said, "Karma". But I think Karma was in the other guys favor because you knew you were trying to lowball the kid.
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  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
    There's a sayin' around here, money talks and B.S. walks. Next time, be quicker with the cash.
    A $100 gun? C'mon.
    I agree, slumlord44 offered 100.00 the kid said 125.00, and another guy offers the 125.00, I don't see the problem.
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  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So where does the conversation between two individuals become private?? slumlord44's responce stated that he offered the individual $100 for the gun as he was leaving, he obviously did not have any better offers. It sounded like it was an offer between the two parties, and not any others. It was a private sale not an auction. The seller should have either accepted or denied the offer before accepting any other offers. Then any out siders would be players.

    T67
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    The problem is, it's not an auction. It's a one-on-one deal, and it is rude to get in the middle of it. The polite thing for the uninvolved party to do is, wait until the first offer is accepted or rejected before opening his tater trap.

    The smart thing for the first potential buyer to do is discuss payment with the seller out of earshot of such rude individuals.

    I don't miss going to gun shows. Too much of this sort of thing went on.

    Another rude thing people will do is stop right in front of a seller's table, blocking other people's view of the seller's goods, and start doing a face-to-face deal. One of them will usually want to lay down whatever he is carrying on the seller's table, so that he can examine the gun the other fellow is offering to sell. Move to the concession area, people!
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  • Dakota308Dakota308 Member Posts: 4,162
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by nunn
    The problem is, it's not an auction. It's a one-on-one deal, and it is rude to get in the middle of it. The polite thing for the uninvolved party to do is, wait until the first offer is accepted or rejected before opening his tater trap.

    The smart thing for the first potential buyer to do is discuss payment with the seller out of earshot of such rude individuals.

    I don't miss going to gun shows. Too much of this sort of thing went on.

    Another rude thing people will do is stop right in front of a seller's table, blocking other people's view of the seller's goods, and start doing a face-to-face deal. One of them will usually want to lay down whatever he is carrying on the seller's table, so that he can examine the gun the other fellow is offering to sell. Move to the concession area, people!


    The young man with the gun got redfaced and asked me if it was OK. NO longer a one-on-one conversation


    Felt sorry for the kid because the gun was worth more than that. read my above opinions
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  • JamesRKJamesRK Member Posts: 25,670 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'm inclined to agree with BR. Bad manners, but not "wrong". But you didn't say if the kid accepted your offer. If he did then the other guy and the kid were wrong. The kid was less wrong because, assuming he accepted your offer, he asked if it was OK to back out of the deal.
    The road to hell is paved with COMPROMISE.
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  • slumlord44slumlord44 Member Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    To the best of my recolection the kid never had a chance to say yes or no before the other guy chimed in with his offer. I was not tryig to rip the kid off. If he did not like the offer he would have said no. He never got the chance. No realy big problem either way. I had no real need for the gun or I would have given him the $125. I just hate to pass up a realy good deal. I think I did the right thing by walking away. It was not worth geting in an arguement over. I was at a gun show once and an old man was talking to a dealer about a Smith & Wesson model 16. Dealer offered him $300. It was worth $600 at the time and I realy wanted one at the time. I stood by and shut my mouth till they were done. The dealer bought it for $300. I thought I did the right thing that time and I know that I did the right thing today. I try to treat others the way I want to be treated. Thanks for the input guys.
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  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Good things come to good people!!

    T67
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  • FatstratFatstrat Member Posts: 9,147
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
    Seems to me that the price was $125 and the other guy agreed to it.

    As Jacob said, "Karma". But I think Karma was in the other guys favor because you knew you were trying to lowball the kid.

    +1.
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  • drsckdrsck Member Posts: 992 ✭
    edited November -1
    You did the right thing. The other guy was a jerk and did the wrong thing. Yea, it's a gun show which means that those in attendance should conduct themselves in a manner that puts them above "a Boy Scout jamboree." In addition, the kind of people who believe that " All's fair in love, war and gunshows" are the same people that spotlight deer, hunt on land without permission, have "accdiental discharges" at the range, and generally give all gun people a bad name. It's called RESPECT and HONOR. If you don't have any RESPECT and HONOR for those with whom you choose to associate, you can't have any RESPECT and HONOR for yourself either which means desent folks really just don't want to be around you.
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  • chaosrobchaosrob Member Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You have to remember that manners are not taught anymore. From the lady talking too loud on her cellphone while draggig 5 kids through the grocery store to black friday shoppers. Just beglad he didn't pistol whp you to step in on your deal.

    I constantly have people trying to butt into my business dealings and it does get very tiresome. Strike your own deal after the origial player has a chance to agree, or walk away
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  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I believe the real winner was the kid.
    He learned that it is not always a good idea to settle for less than you actually want and he learned that manners are more important than completing a deal and he learned that there are buttheads who have no manners.
    Yeah, I think the kid was the real winner if he accepted the gunshow lesson for today.
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  • leeblackmanleeblackman Member Posts: 5,303 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't let manners or etiquette get between me and a good deal. Seriously, I'll make offers on guns for people walking into cabela's. And i've got them too. Heck, how do ya think I own so many 30-30's... Cause i know they aren't going to get anything on a trade so I'll flat out tell them "Hey man, i'll give you $xxx for it, I'll be out here for about another 5 minutes." Cause its true that BS walks and money talks. And they will take the highest dollar they can get. So someone else doesn't wanna fork over much, but your willing to give a little more yet still walk out with a great deal. i see nothing wrong with it. Thats just business and the way it really works, cause if you follow rules, your just gonna loose out on someone like me. ;)
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  • toad67toad67 Member Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Money obviously means more than morals to some people.

    T67
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  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427 ✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Was standing near the exit talking to a guy that I did not know about guns in general. Was waiting for my two friends to leave. Guy with the Savage was headed towards the door. Offered him $100 for the Savage. He said $125. Told him I would go $100 if he really wanted to sell it. Before I could get my cash out, the stranger next to me offered him $125.

    From what I get from this post, it wasnt a one on one conversation right from the start....You were talking to the stranger near the exit when the kid approached, and you offered 100 bucks.....The stranger was there the whole time and was more or less involved right from the start as you were talking to him right from the start...

    You offered 100, he said 125, you said you would go 100 IF he really wanted to sell it....you offered 100 bucks twice....you didnt go up when the kid said 125, you said 100...

    You wont go up and the kid wasnt coming down so the guy met the kids price....
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  • 375H&H375H&H Member Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:44 You did right by holding your say. Being a gentleman with manners
    and respect is more important than money.
    OR a new gun [B)]
    footlong NAILED this one [8)]
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  • bhale187bhale187 Member Posts: 7,798
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
    There's a sayin' around here, money talks and B.S. walks. Next time, be quicker with the cash.
    A $100 gun? C'mon.

    +1
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  • FatstratFatstrat Member Posts: 9,147
    edited November -1
    "Gunshow manners" is IMO a hoot. Gunshows have always been dog eat dog where money talks and BS walks. If you're smart or lucky enough.
    Even the radio/TV ads are outright lies. "Top prices paid for your used guns". That's a hoot! At least as far a most vendors go. You're lucky to get 75%.
    Gunshows are an open market. If someone has something for sale, wether at a table, in aisle, or outside. There's no "unspoken rule" that you must stand by and watch something be sold for less than you would be willing to pay for it because of "manners". No signs that say "stand in line and wait your turn."
    You made your best offer, and someone else made his. This is IMO a clear case of sore loser syndrome.
    Better not hope for me to exercise your Good Manners beliefs. If I want it, and I'm willing to pay for it. Not only will I outbid you. I'll laugh at you for getting mad.
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  • br549br549 Member Posts: 1,024 ✭
    edited November -1
    i don't jump in on someone's deal. i also don't take advantage of people either.
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  • Duce1Duce1 Member Posts: 9,329
    edited November -1
    Not to try and change the topic of this discussion but I had a old buddy he is gone now but when he set up at a gun show he always had a fly swatter, and when young kids came to his table and just started grabbing stuff he would smack them on the hand with it. You would not believe the fights with parents he had all the time about it. He told them that his income was all about his table and if they want to buy what there kids where messing with then they could handle everything on the table as long as they purchased what there kids touched.
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  • USN_AirdaleUSN_Airdale Member Posts: 2,987 ✭
    edited November -1
    a similar thing happened to me and my wife at a gun show, a seller had 3 brand new never used Colt 20 rnd. mags, he wanted $10,00 each for them, some guy had them in hand and trying to get the seller to take the $25.00 he offered the seller said "NO", the buyer put them back on the table and started to finger * other items, but, as soon as they touched the table my wife grabbed them and handed the seller $30.00 the former buyer got pissed and said, "i was not done with my deal", i told him to *, you laid them on the table so that makes them fair game for anyone else.

    these mags are the very early Colts with the Armalite name on them very rare !! probably $100.00 each for collectors..., which i am
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  • FatstratFatstrat Member Posts: 9,147
    edited November -1
    IMO bad gunshow manners is when some third UNINTERESTED party horns in on a deal.
    Like if you were haggling and the third party stranger walks up and says "I wouldn't buy that for that price. I think you can find one cheaper."
    He not interested, but sticks his nose in an ruins a possible deal.
    But if the third party IS INTERESTED. And is willing to pay more than you for what he wants. He is not ONE BIT out of line by topping your offer.
    That's how open air markets work.
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  • nunnnunn Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 36,085 ******
    edited November -1
    That's why I'm glad I don't attend gun shows or play golf. I have enough aggravation in my life without intentionally adding more.
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  • COLTCOLT Member Posts: 12,637 ******
    edited November -1
    ...NO, you stay out of a deal your NOT part of...you did better than me, I'd have told the "stranger" that butted in "who the hell invited you to breakfast" then told him to butt his * out.

    ...Then again, a GOOD deal at $125 and you did not take it, you became greedy to save another $25 bucks and it bit you in the *...when you snooze you loose...you went to sleep, get past it...[;)]

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  • bartobarto Member Posts: 4,734 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Let's go get a coupla boards & crucify somebody!!
    Sheesh!
    [xx(]barto[xx(]
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  • mrseatlemrseatle Member Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You had a chance to buy a Savage 30 for only $125 and passed!

    Then you tried dangling the $100 out like a piece of cheese and are mad that someone who knew a good deal got a good deal. No where do I read that the kid agreed to the $100 price so live and learn man, and he even gave you one last chance to take the $125 offer. There will be other gun shows, hopefully. And
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