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Car guys: Pick one

Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
edited January 2017 in General Discussion
Without getting into a foreign vs. domestic debate, pick one of the following and state your main reasoning for why:

2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland
2017 Honda Pilot Touring

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  • CubsloverCubslover Member Posts: 18,601 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Jeep for the Capability, 4x4 systems, and look.

    Honda for the utter reliability that the Jeep is completely lacking.

    If you plan to keep it for <5 years, go with the Jeep.
    >5 years, nod to the Honda.
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  • Dyer_MakerDyer_Maker Member Posts: 1,018 ✭
    edited November -1
    Honda will have a better ride and be more reliable in the long run. I have a Ridgeline and have zero complaints.
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  • KnifecollectorKnifecollector Member Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I'd take the Honda, I prefer to be driving the vehicle rather than working on it.
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  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,690 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I would go with the Jeep.

    Just hit 140,000 miles on my 11 year old Commander without any issues.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
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  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998 ✭
    edited November -1
    Jeep. Parts, manuals, and aftermarket parts in American stores.

    Have driven into Two Hondas over the years: both were totalled, and both of the vehicles I was driving drove home with only cosmetic damage.

    Gasoline is cheaper than hospitals.
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  • Ditch-RunnerDitch-Runner Member Posts: 25,365 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    rather biased [:I][^] but the Honda they hold resell and run forever
    we have had three civis two elements and my son has a v-tec civic
    never any problems . my oldest son has our 05 element still going strong
    ( and 25.5 years of life working for them )
    I still drive chevy trucks by the way
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Cubslover
    Jeep for the Capability, 4x4 systems, and look.

    Honda for the utter reliability that the Jeep is completely lacking.

    If you plan to keep it for <5 years, go with the Jeep.
    >5 years, nod to the Honda.


    Exactly....POU would be critical, though the Grand Cherokee has one of the worst mechanical records currently going. SUV vs crossover....
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  • Aztngundoc22Aztngundoc22 Member Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK :

    New Ford Pickup 4x4 for my vote .........

    And :

    I also NEVER buy any 'rice burners' ,,,,, PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks !!!
    The more people I meet : The more I like my Dog :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


    I Grew Old Too Fast (And Smart Too damn Slow !!!) !!! :o :?
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  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    If you are looking at a new Jeep Cherokee.

    Why not buy a Fiat 500? Same exact car with only a few body changes to the front end and they are about 10 grand cheaper.
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    If you are looking at a new Jeep Cherokee.

    Why not buy a Fiat 500? Same exact car with only a few body changes to the front end and they are about 10 grand cheaper.


    Is this sarcasm?
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    Hard to compare the 4x4 systems, IMO. Drove both in the snow and frankly was surprised at how capable the SH-AWD of the Honda was. I'd say it could keep pace with the Jeep, maybe (dare I say) even somewhat better?

    There are distinct differences in ground clearance, especially since the Overland can raise and lower the suspension.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    We are tossing around the idea of trading the Ram 1500 in for a Nissan Pathfinder. I am so much dissapointed in that Ram, performance of the Hemi isn't anything to brag about, interior noise is rediculous, cab space for a 4 door is a joke unless everyone is under 5'6", 1" of snow cripples it, it is lousy on gas even babying it, I just don't like it. The more I look at those Pathfinders the more I like them and sadly, Ford has lriced me out of a F-150 or F-250, GM and Chryslet make an inferior product anymore and the Japanese vehicles afe the way to go. If this offends the brand loyalists so be it, tired of spending the cost of a new American vehicle only to be dissapointed.
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  • dunbarboyzdunbarboyz Member Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Honda I have a Ridgeline 50,000 miles no problems.
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  • CubsloverCubslover Member Posts: 18,601 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Aztngundoc22
    OK :

    New Ford Pickup 4x4 for my vote .........

    And :

    I also NEVER buy any 'rice burners' ,,,,, PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks !!!


    Solid contribution.
    Half of the lives they tell about me aren't true.
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  • Aztngundoc22Aztngundoc22 Member Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cubslover :

    THANKS !!!!!!!!!
    The more people I meet : The more I like my Dog :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


    I Grew Old Too Fast (And Smart Too damn Slow !!!) !!! :o :?
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  • CubsloverCubslover Member Posts: 18,601 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Hard to compare the 4x4 systems, IMO. Drove both in the snow and frankly was surprised at how capable the SH-AWD of the Honda was. I'd say it could keep pace with the Jeep, maybe (dare I say) even somewhat better?

    There are distinct differences in ground clearance, especially since the Overland can raise and lower the suspension.


    SH-AWD is the Acura AWD System. I believe it to be a different system than the AWD system that Honda uses. None-the-less, the Honda AWD systems will handle any amount of snow that will not affect the vehicle otherwise via ground clearances. Ice is also a non-factor.

    IMO, 95% of Jeeps could be sold with a different "AWD" and the owner would have no clue. I guess my first post about the 4x4 should mention, "If you plan to leave pavement".
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Cubslover
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    Hard to compare the 4x4 systems, IMO. Drove both in the snow and frankly was surprised at how capable the SH-AWD of the Honda was. I'd say it could keep pace with the Jeep, maybe (dare I say) even somewhat better?

    There are distinct differences in ground clearance, especially since the Overland can raise and lower the suspension.


    SH-AWD is the Acura AWD System. I believe it to be a different system than the AWD system that Honda uses. None-the-less, the Honda AWD systems will handle any amount of snow that will not affect the vehicle otherwise via ground clearances. Ice is also a non-factor.

    IMO, 95% of Jeeps could be sold with a different "AWD" and the owner would have no clue. I guess my first post about the 4x4 should mention, "If you plan to leave pavement".
    On the 2017 Honda it is the same system. I test drove the MDX as well. Loved the additional 15 HP of the MDX, didn't love the price.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Cubslover
    quote:Originally posted by Aztngundoc22
    OK :

    New Ford Pickup 4x4 for my vote .........

    And :

    I also NEVER buy any 'rice burners' ,,,,, PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks !!!


    Solid contribution.


    now that is some funny chit [:D]
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  • wiplashwiplash Member Posts: 7,145 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    The dependability of Jeep died when Dodge bought them out![V]
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  • savage170savage170 Member Posts: 37,568 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Between the choices I would go with the Honda Pilot I have the Ridgeline and it has been 100% reliable so far. Last jeep that I had spent more time at at the dealership then in the driveway
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  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I wanted a 2016 Jeep but friend in the car business strongly advice against a newer Jeep, he said lease was ok as car would be driven under warranty only, as the 3.6 pentastar engine is utterly unreliable, at one point Chrysler couldn't keep enough spare parts on the shelves to honor warranties with over 500 vehicles a month going in for engine warranty issues, consumer report says it's at top of the list for unreliability.

    I bought a new 2016 Honda Pilot 4X4, awesome vehicle. But wanted a Jeep anyway so I bought a very nice 2006 wrangler TJ auto trans 4.0L and very happy with it, the 4.0L inline 6 cylinder is a great engine.
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  • SW0320SW0320 Member Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I am also looking at the Pathfinder. Bought a Nissan NV3500 for wife's business and I have been happy with it.

    Usually buy a Ford but they do not have anything in the SUV/Crossover catagory.
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  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Dyer_Maker
    Honda will have a better ride and be more reliable in the long run. I have a Ridgeline and have zero complaints.




    jeep grand cherokee rides more like a luxury car than a jeep, nothing like a wrangler


    get one with a hemi, it gets better gas mileage than the 6 cylinders , mine is pushing 220k , and still drives like a Cadillac that goes anywhere
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  • shilowarshilowar Member Posts: 38,811 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    If the V6 in the Jeep is the 3.6 Pentastar I would stay away from it. We've had a lot of problems with the Pentastar engine. They have oil pump, and oil pressure problems.
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  • MBKMBK Member Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    See truedelta.com

    read about how it works.

    The comparison for 2016 is not good for either.

    But look at the CRV.
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  • mlincolnmlincoln Member Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Do you have to have 4wd / all wheel drive? I've driven in a whole lot of snow and ice in just a regular old front wheel drive car and have always done well. The 4wd / all wheel drive add a level of mechanical complexity that, unless absolutely necessary, I would try to avoid.

    All that said, I've owned a lot of Hondas and they do just seem to keep going and going and going. I don't believe they are what they once were in terms of reliability, but to me I put mechanical reliability my #1 criteria and so the Honda has to come first.
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  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,678 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    didn't love the price.


    Now that you have that PE, its time to splurge a bit!!!
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    didn't love the price.


    Now that you have that PE, its time to splurge a bit!!!


    If it had made even a blink in my salary maybe I would.[B)]
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
    Do you have to have 4wd / all wheel drive? I've driven in a whole lot of snow and ice in just a regular old front wheel drive car and have always done well. The 4wd / all wheel drive add a level of mechanical complexity that, unless absolutely necessary, I would try to avoid.

    All that said, I've owned a lot of Hondas and they do just seem to keep going and going and going. I don't believe they are what they once were in terms of reliability, but to me I put mechanical reliability my #1 criteria and so the Honda has to come first.
    No, but I prefer it. The vehicle is for my wife and I prefer she have a more capable vehicle in the snow, and generally everywhere actually.
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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  • CoolhandLukeCoolhandLuke Member Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
    quote:Originally posted by Dyer_Maker
    Honda will have a better ride and be more reliable in the long run. I have a Ridgeline and have zero complaints.




    jeep grand cherokee rides more like a luxury car than a jeep, nothing like a wrangler


    get one with a hemi, it gets better gas mileage than the 6 cylinders , mine is pushing 220k , and still drives like a Cadillac that goes anywhere


    This is true, they still offer the Hemi at 475 HP a puppy of a different breed, with incredible mileage of 19 26 better than my 6 cyl 4.0L. I assumed the Wrangler because he was considering the Pilot that packs a V6.
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  • chiefrchiefr Member Posts: 14,115 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    The jeep will be nothing more than a money pits. Check Consumer Reports. Jeeps and Chrysler products are the worse vehicles on the road for reliability.

    Honda and Toyota: Superior.

    If you go UAW, find one built on a Wednesday.
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  • CubsloverCubslover Member Posts: 18,601 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    didn't love the price.


    Now that you have that PE, its time to splurge a bit!!!




    I agree. I'd like to go after mine but in Process Control a PE doesn't gain you much.
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  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,840 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    +1 for the Pathfinder. We have a 2011, and have had it for a couple of years. It runs like a striped ape! You can be going 85 mph on the highway and not even realize it. I think it has the same exact engine (not 100% sure tho) as the xterra, but has 2x the power. We got ours used for about $5k less than the going price, so we were super happy with it.

    Merc

    quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
    We are tossing around the idea of trading the Ram 1500 in for a Nissan Pathfinder. I am so much dissapointed in that Ram, performance of the Hemi isn't anything to brag about, interior noise is rediculous, cab space for a 4 door is a joke unless everyone is under 5'6", 1" of snow cripples it, it is lousy on gas even babying it, I just don't like it. The more I look at those Pathfinders the more I like them and sadly, Ford has lriced me out of a F-150 or F-250, GM and Chryslet make an inferior product anymore and the Japanese vehicles afe the way to go. If this offends the brand loyalists so be it, tired of spending the cost of a new American vehicle only to be dissapointed.
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  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I need the AWD; daughter #1 lives on a farm, daughter #2 lives in the mountains. Plus, I like the lane departure warning, & the "frontal impact mitigation" system.

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    Neal
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  • pwilliepwillie Member Posts: 20,253 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Randy, just get one of these and end the quest!
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  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,719 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    And here I thought that the Odyssey and Pilot were made in Alabama.

    Friend of mine worked at Cross Country roadside assistance call center. The Jeeps were the worst by far.
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  • LesWVaLesWVa Member Posts: 10,490 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
    quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
    If you are looking at a new Jeep Cherokee.

    Why not buy a Fiat 500? Same exact car with only a few body changes to the front end and they are about 10 grand cheaper.


    Is this sarcasm?


    No..

    Jeep Cherokee

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    Fiat 500X AWD

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  • woodshed87woodshed87 Member Posts: 23,478 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    2004 Blazer
    Oh Sorry Not In the Lineup[:I]
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  • beneteaubeneteau Member Posts: 8,552 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Neither one.

    Better choices:

    Toyota or Lexus
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  • Mr. PerfectMr. Perfect Member, Moderator Posts: 66,437 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by beneteau

    Neither one.

    Better choices:

    Toyota or Lexus






    Drove the Highlander. It falls short of the Honda (and Jeep) in several performance respects. Also drove the Lexus and was similarly not impressed. We even drove a Pathfinder Platinum. I found the fit and finish of the interior and drivetrain to feel sloppy in comparison to the Honda/Jeep (and I currently have an Armada that I love); the same fit/feel that my in laws' Pathfinder has.

    Also drove the 4 Runner. Loved everything about it, but my wife won't even consider it because she doesn't like the look of the body style at all.[:I]
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    And fiery auto crashes
    Some will die in hot pursuit
    While sifting through my ashes
    Some will fall in love with life
    And drink it from a fountain
    That is pouring like an avalanche
    Coming down the mountain
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