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Rapest and the SCOTUS
Da-Tank
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The court today favors fell on the child rapeist side.
My guess is none of these judges have had a child or relitives child raped. Or we can guess whats on their minds, protecting this scum.
Makes you wonder if the 2nd is safe after all.
My guess is none of these judges have had a child or relitives child raped. Or we can guess whats on their minds, protecting this scum.
Makes you wonder if the 2nd is safe after all.
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Feel better now.all you defenders of the system ?
The decision stated that the death penalty was inappropriate to EXECUTE child molesters.
IMO, this is a correct decision, despite the fact that it disgusts me to no end. There is no death involved in the rape itself. Therefore, the death penalty is inappropriate.
While I personally would love to see rapists of all shapes and sizes taken out and killed in a slow, methodical process, this is not the right use of the death penalty.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape
Assuming the report I heard on the news this morning was correct, and that's a big assumption, they said there was no precedent for applying the death penalty when the crime didn't result in death.
It hasn't been very long in historical terms, in my lifetime as a matter of fact, that the death penalty was routine in rape cases and expected in child rape cases.
I recall one case in North Carolina when I was a teenager. A soldier was guilty of statutory rape and went to the gas chamber. Statutory rape meaning he had the consent of the girl and her parents. The consent wasn't valid because she was under the age of consent.
That's precedent.
[:D]
I also don't give a single damn about 'equal punishment'..whatever the hell that is.
Good thing I have no children. Touch my children...you die.
A society that refuses to protect their children...is a failed society.
If the child be under 12 years old , do the joker.
Back the truck up a second.
The decision stated that the death penalty was inappropriate to EXECUTE child molesters.
IMO, this is a correct decision, despite the fact that it disgusts me to no end. There is no death involved in the rape itself. Therefore, the death penalty is inappropriate.
While I personally would love to see rapists of all shapes and sizes taken out and killed in a slow, methodical process, this is not the right use of the death penalty.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape
I disagree. The death penalty is meant as the ultimate deterrent to crime - those fearing death, it is assumed, will not commit similar crimes while those sentenced to death will be unable to repeat their offenses.
If anything, this sort of crime calls for the death penalty since violent sex offenders are the most likely to repeat their offenses. Whether or not death occurred during the commission of the crime is immaterial. We do not practice an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth justice. As such, there is nothing saying that one's punishment must be precisely and scientifically commensurate with one's crime.
After all, we do not simply bill bank robbers for the amount of money they stole, so why should a child rapist be able to escape with his life just because his victim survived the assault?
Our system of justice is predicated upon punishment and deterrence, both of which are being eroded by an unfathomable belief that scumbags are people, too.[:(!]
Our system of justice is predicated upon punishment and deterrence, both of which are being eroded by an unfathomable belief that scumbags are people, too.[:(!]
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EMM you hit the nail on the head.
Infact I second everything he said. I dont know how politicaly correct it is, but I am disgusted with the "lets rehablitate them, so they can re-enter society." Screw that, lets get rid of them permamnetly. All of them. Until no one dares commit those crimes. I dont know if its even possible to achieve that, but getting rid of the ones allready convicted would be a good place to start.
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
Back the truck up a second.
The decision stated that the death penalty was inappropriate to EXECUTE child molesters.
IMO, this is a correct decision, despite the fact that it disgusts me to no end. There is no death involved in the rape itself. Therefore, the death penalty is inappropriate.
While I personally would love to see rapists of all shapes and sizes taken out and killed in a slow, methodical process, this is not the right use of the death penalty.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape
I disagree. The death penalty is meant as the ultimate deterrent to crime - those fearing death, it is assumed, will not commit similar crimes while those sentenced to death will be unable to repeat their offenses.
If anything, this sort of crime calls for the death penalty since violent sex offenders are the most likely to repeat their offenses. Whether or not death occurred during the commission of the crime is immaterial. We do not practice an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth justice. As such, there is nothing saying that one's punishment must be precisely and scientifically commensurate with one's crime.
After all, we do not simply bill bank robbers for the amount of money they stole, so why should a child rapist be able to escape with his life just because his victim survived the assault?
Our system of justice is predicated upon punishment and deterrence, both of which are being eroded by an unfathomable belief that scumbags are people, too.[:(!]
EMM,
Your grounds for executing someone is based upon a false presumption. The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it is punishment meant to be dealt to a deserving someone.
Our system of justice is predicated upon punishment and deterrence, both of which are being eroded by an unfathomable belief that scumbags are people, too.[:(!]
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EMM you hit the nail on the head.
Infact I second everything he said. I dont know how politicaly correct it is, but I am disgusted with the "lets rehablitate them, so they can re-enter society." Screw that, lets get rid of them permamnetly. All of them. Until no one dares commit those crimes. I dont know if its even possible to achieve that, but getting rid of the ones allready convicted would be a good place to start.
[/quote]I don't think we should rehab them nor do I think we should let them back into society. But, I also don't think that rape equates a death sentence.
Stick em in prison, let them rot, let them be raped by their fellow inmates, and keep them there their entire lives.
Put them in the general prison population - they'd have a lifespan of oh, about a month.
EMM,
Your grounds for executing someone is based upon a false presumption. The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it is punishment meant to be dealt to a deserving someone.
You are mistaken. Freddy Krueger notwithstanding, there has never been one single documented case of anyone who has suffered the death penalty committing another crime.
Put them in the general prison population - they'd have a lifespan of oh, about a month.
THAT is a sick, perverted view of justice ..every word of it.
We will turn over to the inmates the job we have neither the courage nor morality to do ourselves.mete out swift, sure justice.
We will ENCOURAGE sick, perverted jails and prisons.gleefully.
We will furnish fodder for sick, demented animals..happily.
We will do this because we are weak, sniveling caricatures of men.here in America.
No AMERICA that I call America allows vicious animals to continue living after destroying a child.
I am shamed ..and we are ALL diminished because of lousy perverts sitting upon the highest court in the land.
I predicted from the start that this law would be struck down. There's longstanding precedent that the death penalty for any crime short of murder or treason is unacceptable as a constitutional standard.
It's actually nice to see the court enforce its own previous rulings and precedent.
Provided that the puke does not get paroled, lifetime of fear and torture is a better punishment than a painless death.
KSUmarksman, Child molesters and rapists automatically go into protective custody (PC) when they go to prison. PC is a lot like regular prison without the stress. They get along with each other surprisingly well, and generally cause the corrections officer less trouble than general population inmates.
I didn't know that...damn no wonder so many of them get paroled alive [:(]
The only other person on death row for child rape, also in Louisiana, had viciously, repeatedly raped a 5 year old girl.
Execute them I say, they are irredeemable scum.
It was a damn close vote, 5-4.
This decision is the clincher, though. Another justice is going to step down in the next four years, and it will probably be one of the liberal ones. As the SCOTUS has decided it is now the legislative branch, having a chance to tip the balance towards the conservative side is a chance that simply can't be passed up.
Do I think the death penalty should apply to child rapists? Oh yes. Do I think it should apply in many other cases? Oh yes. Am I sick and tired of the SCOTUS legislating from the bench? Oh yes.
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
EMM,
Your grounds for executing someone is based upon a false presumption. The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it is punishment meant to be dealt to a deserving someone.
You are mistaken. Freddy Krueger notwithstanding, there has never been one single documented case of anyone who has suffered the death penalty committing another crime.
James,
With all due respect, you're the one mistaken, or at least you're not addressing "deterrent." The deterrent is meant to deter others from committing a similar crime. The death penalty is no deterrent, as is simply evidenced by the number of people on death row.
I knew I wasn't going to vote for Obama for a long time. I really like the guy, think he's a very sharp fellow and a great American success story, but 2nd Amendment--and several other things--made me know that me voting for him was very, very unlikely.
This decision is the clincher, though. Another justice is going to step down in the next four years, and it will probably be one of the liberal ones. As the SCOTUS has decided it is now the legislative branch, having a chance to tip the balance towards the conservative side is a chance that simply can't be passed up.
Do I think the death penalty should apply to child rapists? Oh yes. Do I think it should apply in many other cases? Oh yes. Am I sick and tired of the SCOTUS legislating from the bench? Oh yes.
Really? I think he's dumb as a box of bricks. In fact, I think he's so dumb that he's going to make W look like a MENSA candidate.
Listen to the man once he's taken off his rehearsed speeches. He can't put an intelligent statement together to save his life.
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
EMM,
Your grounds for executing someone is based upon a false presumption. The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it is punishment meant to be dealt to a deserving someone.
You are mistaken. Freddy Krueger notwithstanding, there has never been one single documented case of anyone who has suffered the death penalty committing another crime.
James,
With all due respect, you're the one mistaken, or at least you're not addressing "deterrent." The deterrent is meant to deter others from committing a similar crime. The death penalty is no deterrent, as is simply evidenced by the number of people on death row.
I have to disagree. There shouldn't be a "death row" to begin with. That is one more glitch in a failed system. Trip the switch, and stop feeding the garbage. An empty and waiting chair would certainly be a deterrent...........NEXT!!!!!!!!!
Brad Steele
I agree with the Supremes...
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
EMM,
Your grounds for executing someone is based upon a false presumption. The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it is punishment meant to be dealt to a deserving someone.
You are mistaken. Freddy Krueger notwithstanding, there has never been one single documented case of anyone who has suffered the death penalty committing another crime.
James,
With all due respect, you're the one mistaken, or at least you're not addressing "deterrent." The deterrent is meant to deter others from committing a similar crime. The death penalty is no deterrent, as is simply evidenced by the number of people on death row.
That statement cannot be made with any degree of accuracy. We have no idea how many people may have been deterred by having an "in-place" death penalty.
Another bolster for the argument of "deterrence" would be to "get to it" when someone is convicted and sentenced to death.
The decades long-drawn out process to "get to it" provides no real deterrent in and of itself.
I liken the long-period of time for an execution to actually happen, to what a normal addicted smoker may think, e.g. I know it is likely to kill me, but it ain't happening today, or if I light this next one up, so I can put it off till later.
There is no surety involved in how the death penalty is currently applied.
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
I knew I wasn't going to vote for Obama for a long time. I really like the guy, think he's a very sharp fellow and a great American success story, but 2nd Amendment--and several other things--made me know that me voting for him was very, very unlikely.
This decision is the clincher, though. Another justice is going to step down in the next four years, and it will probably be one of the liberal ones. As the SCOTUS has decided it is now the legislative branch, having a chance to tip the balance towards the conservative side is a chance that simply can't be passed up.
Do I think the death penalty should apply to child rapists? Oh yes. Do I think it should apply in many other cases? Oh yes. Am I sick and tired of the SCOTUS legislating from the bench? Oh yes.
Really? I think he's dumb as a box of bricks. In fact, I think he's so dumb that he's going to make W look like a MENSA candidate.
Listen to the man once he's taken off his rehearsed speeches. He can't put an intelligent statement together to save his life.
I don't think W is dumb. I think he's uninterested in many things, and perhaps a bit lazy in some ways, but I think he's a lot brighter than many people think. You don't get to be president of the US without have more than a bit of intelligence.
I also don't think Obama is dumb. The man went to Harvard Law and was a professor at the University of Chicago Law School. You don't get to those places being an idiot.
Too many false accusations.
I agree with the Supremes...
As I do favor the death penalty. I'm always assuming that there is 100 percent proof. Those are the cases that I want sped up. You are right. There are many false accusations when it comes to this subject.
I liken the long-period of time for an execution to actually happen, to what a normal addicted smoker may think, e.g. I know it is likely to kill me, but it ain't happening today, or if I light this next one up, so I can put it off till later.
There is no surety involved in how the death penalty is currently applied.
World famous hanging Judge Isaac C. Parker of Fort Smith, Arkansas once said "It isn't the severity of the punishment, but the certainty of it."
quote:Originally posted by lt496
I liken the long-period of time for an execution to actually happen, to what a normal addicted smoker may think, e.g. I know it is likely to kill me, but it ain't happening today, or if I light this next one up, so I can put it off till later.
There is no surety involved in how the death penalty is currently applied.
World famous hanging Judge Isaac C. Parker of Fort Smith, Arkansas once said "It isn't the severity of the punishment, but the certainty of it."
Yep, pretty much James.
EMM,
Your grounds for executing someone is based upon a false presumption. The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it is punishment meant to be dealt to a deserving someone.
Who more deserving then a child molester? Quite often they kill the person they do this to inside, and then the person that got molested goes on to affect others in their life drastically.
Meanwhile, a little girl is broken mentally, physically and spiritually.
For LIFE.
I expect most of you defenders would just tell the little girl to just get over it..sorta just getting her in tune for the her life as a woman. Ehhh ?
Channel 23 News just took a poll over the last hour.
"Do you believe Child rapists deserve the death penalty "
97 % SAID YES !!!
There actually IS hope yet for America.
You can fool most of the people, most of the time.but you cannot do it forever !!.
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells
Back the truck up a second.
The decision stated that the death penalty was inappropriate to EXECUTE child molesters.
IMO, this is a correct decision, despite the fact that it disgusts me to no end. There is no death involved in the rape itself. Therefore, the death penalty is inappropriate.
While I personally would love to see rapists of all shapes and sizes taken out and killed in a slow, methodical process, this is not the right use of the death penalty.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080625/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_child_rape
I disagree. The death penalty is meant as the ultimate deterrent to crime - those fearing death, it is assumed, will not commit similar crimes while those sentenced to death will be unable to repeat their offenses.
If anything, this sort of crime calls for the death penalty since violent sex offenders are the most likely to repeat their offenses. Whether or not death occurred during the commission of the crime is immaterial. We do not practice an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth justice. As such, there is nothing saying that one's punishment must be precisely and scientifically commensurate with one's crime.
After all, we do not simply bill bank robbers for the amount of money they stole, so why should a child rapist be able to escape with his life just because his victim survived the assault?
Our system of justice is predicated upon punishment and deterrence, both of which are being eroded by an unfathomable belief that scumbags are people, too.[:(!]
EMM,
Your grounds for executing someone is based upon a false presumption. The death penalty is NOT a deterrent, it is punishment meant to be dealt to a deserving someone.
Tell that to all the folks in Saudi Arabia that witness executions in the public square...it most certainly is a deterrent.
Tell that to all the folks in Saudi Arabia that witness executions in the public square...it most certainly is a deterrent.
Then why do they have to keep having them?
The Surpremes got it right.