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If capital punishment has the side effect of being a deterrent to capital crime that would be fortunate, but it's not and should not be the point of capital punishment. Our legal system is not set up to take one man's life to show another man the error of his ways. It is a fitting punishment for capital crime. Raping babies is a capital crime. Five of nine old farts in black robes might not think so, but it doesn't change the fact.
I would like to see all capital punishment eliminated, but only after we eliminate all capital crime.
Any IDIOT that says the death penalty is "inappropriate" because "There is no death involved..." needs to be taken out and shot!!!!!!!!!
Most of you people have NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Idea of what is involved. Neither you nor any of your loved ones have ever been raped. Well, let me try to make it clear to those jerks on the court and anyone else who would attempt to defend or even explain the decision -- YOU'RE FOOLS!!!
First, rape is far WORSE than death. The person who has been raped and the family have to live with it for the rest of their lives!!!
Second, just because a death from rape may not be immediate does not mean that it will not happen. Many, many, many deaths result from rape but do not happen until weeks, months, years or even decades later!!!
Get a life and try to refrain from discussions that reveal your stupidity.
quote:Originally posted by drsck
Any IDIOT that says the death penalty is "inappropriate" because "There is no death involved..." needs to be taken out and shot!!!!!!!!!
Most of you people have NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Idea of what is involved. Neither you nor any of your loved ones have ever been raped. Well, let me try to make it clear to those jerks on the court and anyone else who would attempt to defend or even explain the decision -- YOU'RE FOOLS!!!
First, rape is far WORSE than death. The person who has been raped and the family have to live with it for the rest of their lives!!!
Second, just because a death from rape may not be immediate does not mean that it will not happen. Many, many, many deaths result from rape but do not happen until weeks, months, years or even decades later!!!
Get a life and try to refrain from discussions that reveal your stupidity.
This is probably the worst (or best?) of the knee jerk illogical post.
If a kid is caught stealing a cookie and gets a spanking, why not take two since the punishment is the same.
If some animal rapes a child, he might as well go on and kill that child as if caught, you will be executed anyway.
It really gets redundant dealing with folks unable to think.[xx(][V][:(]
quote:It really gets redundant dealing with folks unable to think
Yeah..it sure does.
But..according to the poll I mentioned above..on this issue, it only amounts to 3 people out of 100.
Far better then I expected.
I would like to insert electrodes into the heads of child rapist defenders and see what is actually going on in there.
I think it would be a pretty ugly thing...
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:It really gets redundant dealing with folks unable to think
Yeah..it sure does.
But..according to the poll I mentioned above..on this issue, it only amounts to 3 people out of 100.
Far better then I expected.
I would like to insert electrodes into the heads of child rapist defenders and see what is actually going on in there.
I think it would be a pretty ugly thing...
Just goes to show that only the logically challanged would be willing to pick having a kid killed rather than having a live witness. Thankfully, smarter people have prevailed.
Doesn't matter one iota what the supreme court says, you rape my child and you will most definitely get the death penalty. Not from some court or judge but from me.
Better keep him locked up tight for the rest of my life because if I get close enough to lay hands on him or get a clear shot he's dead. No questions, no quarter.
I'd turn myself in and do my time with a clear conscience knowing that the piece of scum is dead.
quote:Originally posted by chappsyny
I've been saying for years that pedophiles are the next big oppressed minority. The groundwork is already being laid and I've already heard liberals on occasion say things like "they can't help it, they're sick." "God made them this way." Every excuse that the homosexual loby used to mainstream homosexuality can and wlil be applied to pedophiles as we become a more tolerant society of perversion and an "anything goes" mentality.
But what do you mean by pedophiles? The useless monster that was the plaintiff in this case, or the people that are attracted to those under the age of 18? No sociaty that is run by humans would ever condone the murder or hurting in any way of our young children. It just goes against human nature.
But if you mean those that are attracted to those that are younger than 18, then you are correct. They are a oppressed minority. And just like the gays, most are born with the sexual attraction. What you may not know is that 2 studies have shown that the minor attracted adult may be more common than the homosexual. They showed that 10% of young males COULD have a sexual attraction to pubescent child or younger. Just like 10% showed that they had or could have a attraction to the same sex.Which means there are 24 million pedophiles in this country, or 10% of adult population. And thats a awful lot of votes to some politician.
I expected this. The prevailing legal viewpoint for awhile now has been Murder 1 only. The child rape law was more or less a holdover.
Still, I'd like to point out that only in a nation as bureaucratized and emasculated as America does this legal concept even require definition. What kind of a father is incapable or unwilling to deliver personal justice for his daughter's horrible violation? America's soccer dads would never lift a finger to personally dispense justice to anyone. That'd get them kicked off the PTA, probably. And they'd have to shoot a gun, and guns are icky.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
All this pathos for a raping pile of scum.
Meanwhile, a little girl is broken mentally, physically and spiritually.
For LIFE.
I expect most of you defenders would just tell the little girl to just get over it..sorta just getting her in tune for the her life as a woman. Ehhh ?
Channel 23 News just took a poll over the last hour.
"Do you believe Child rapists deserve the death penalty "
97 % SAID YES !!!
Funny. I always thought the reason we had a written constitution was to avoid putting rights and powers at the capricious whims of the majority.
wonder what your reaction would be if 97% of the respondents in a poll said they believed the Second Amendment DIDN'T protect an individual right?
quote:Funny. I always thought the reason we had a written constitution was to avoid putting rights and powers at the capricious whims of the majority.
wonder what your reaction would be if 97% of the respondents in a poll said they believed the Second Amendment DIDN'T protect an individual right?Actually, the Constitution pretty much guarantees the right of the majority to rule. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say these laws are enshrined to defend the minority against idiots.
Besides, since when did majority rule bother you? It's not like you and your pals didn't crow loud enough when your guy received a "mandate" and proceeded to shred the Constitution.
In fact, if I remember correctly, you and your pals all but applauded Bush for the various Brave New World-esque tactics he engaged in and measures he had passed.
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
quote:Funny. I always thought the reason we had a written constitution was to avoid putting rights and powers at the capricious whims of the majority.
wonder what your reaction would be if 97% of the respondents in a poll said they believed the Second Amendment DIDN'T protect an individual right?Actually, the Constitution pretty much guarantees the right of the majority to rule. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say these laws are enshrined to defend the minority against idiots.
Besides, since when did majority rule bother you? It's not like you and your pals didn't crow loud enough when your guy received a "mandate" and proceeded to shred the Constitution.
In fact, if I remember correctly, you and your pals all but applauded Bush for the various Brave New World-esque tactics he engaged in and measures he had passed.
Why the sudden concern for the Constitution now?
Really? The constitution guarantees the right of the majority to rule? So my town can pass an ordinance by majority vote confiscating all printing presses (without compensation, mind you) owned by Catholics, shut down their churches, making them subject to random searches and seizures, making them liable to held in custody without charges, deny them the right to a trial by jury, station troops in their homes, subject them to flogging and stoning, and take away their guns?
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the rest of your "thoughts," I'll give you the same advice I always have: have your doctor adjust your meds.
quote:Really? The constitution guarantees the right of the majority to rule? So my town can pass an ordinance by majority vote confiscating all printing presses (without compensation, mind you) owned by Catholics, shut down their churches, making them subject to random searches and seizures, making them liable to held in custody without charges, deny them the right to a trial by jury, station troops in their homes, subject them to flogging and stoning, and take away their guns? Well, a great deal of that has already happened and it didn't seem to bother you a bit. I seem to recall excuses made about "national security" and "our freedoms being used against us."
But back to the point, if two-thirds of the states agree to an amendment allowing said actions, then yes, so be it.
It allows for majority rule... but no one said it would be easy.
quote:Funny. I always thought the reason we had a written constitution was to avoid putting rights and powers at the capricious whims of the majority.
hat is funny is a scotus that decides out of thin air that vicious animals are to be allowed to breath the same air as their victims.
I have to disagree. There shouldn't be a "death row" to begin with. That is one more glitch in a failed system. Trip the switch, and stop feeding the garbage. An empty and waiting chair would certainly be a deterrent...........NEXT!!!!!!!!!
AMEN! If they have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers, SHOOT THEM!
A super majority is required to change the Constitution, not the 5 - 4 decisions made by those appointed to the Supreme Court, though that is not how our country has been and continues to be run.
Though I tend to agree with the decision (based soley on the believe that the death penalty will result in fewer surviving victims) I do not see where it is within the power of the SCOTUS to make such a decision. It is, however, within the power of the good people of Louisiana to make that decision. How soon the Kennedy court forgets the existence of the 10th Amendment.
The determination that the death penalty (a penalty that has been upheld by the court) is inappropriate for child rape is a policy decision (as so stated by Alito in his dissent) and not a decision appropriately rendered by the court. In no way can execution be an excessive fine, nor, given that it is an allowed penalty, can it be determined cruel and unusual as prohibited by the 8th Amendment.
It is simply democratic mob rule that has put us in the position of accepting the Kennedy vs. the state of LA decision. So in practice, majority rule is king, and the rule of law is trampled.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
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I would like to see all capital punishment eliminated, but only after we eliminate all capital crime.
Most of you people have NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Idea of what is involved. Neither you nor any of your loved ones have ever been raped. Well, let me try to make it clear to those jerks on the court and anyone else who would attempt to defend or even explain the decision -- YOU'RE FOOLS!!!
First, rape is far WORSE than death. The person who has been raped and the family have to live with it for the rest of their lives!!!
Second, just because a death from rape may not be immediate does not mean that it will not happen. Many, many, many deaths result from rape but do not happen until weeks, months, years or even decades later!!!
Get a life and try to refrain from discussions that reveal your stupidity.
Any IDIOT that says the death penalty is "inappropriate" because "There is no death involved..." needs to be taken out and shot!!!!!!!!!
Most of you people have NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Idea of what is involved. Neither you nor any of your loved ones have ever been raped. Well, let me try to make it clear to those jerks on the court and anyone else who would attempt to defend or even explain the decision -- YOU'RE FOOLS!!!
First, rape is far WORSE than death. The person who has been raped and the family have to live with it for the rest of their lives!!!
Second, just because a death from rape may not be immediate does not mean that it will not happen. Many, many, many deaths result from rape but do not happen until weeks, months, years or even decades later!!!
Get a life and try to refrain from discussions that reveal your stupidity.
This is probably the worst (or best?) of the knee jerk illogical post.
If a kid is caught stealing a cookie and gets a spanking, why not take two since the punishment is the same.
If some animal rapes a child, he might as well go on and kill that child as if caught, you will be executed anyway.
It really gets redundant dealing with folks unable to think.[xx(][V][:(]
Yeah..it sure does.
But..according to the poll I mentioned above..on this issue, it only amounts to 3 people out of 100.
Far better then I expected.
I would like to insert electrodes into the heads of child rapist defenders and see what is actually going on in there.
I think it would be a pretty ugly thing...
quote:It really gets redundant dealing with folks unable to think
Yeah..it sure does.
But..according to the poll I mentioned above..on this issue, it only amounts to 3 people out of 100.
Far better then I expected.
I would like to insert electrodes into the heads of child rapist defenders and see what is actually going on in there.
I think it would be a pretty ugly thing...
Just goes to show that only the logically challanged would be willing to pick having a kid killed rather than having a live witness. Thankfully, smarter people have prevailed.
Better keep him locked up tight for the rest of my life because if I get close enough to lay hands on him or get a clear shot he's dead. No questions, no quarter.
I'd turn myself in and do my time with a clear conscience knowing that the piece of scum is dead.
Bode
Would be my honor to sit on your jury.
Verdict ?
INNOCENT...and buy the man a steak.
I too would chose that path. When society fails, when the idiots are running the show...its time for individuals to take up the slack.
I've been saying for years that pedophiles are the next big oppressed minority. The groundwork is already being laid and I've already heard liberals on occasion say things like "they can't help it, they're sick." "God made them this way." Every excuse that the homosexual loby used to mainstream homosexuality can and wlil be applied to pedophiles as we become a more tolerant society of perversion and an "anything goes" mentality.
But what do you mean by pedophiles? The useless monster that was the plaintiff in this case, or the people that are attracted to those under the age of 18? No sociaty that is run by humans would ever condone the murder or hurting in any way of our young children. It just goes against human nature.
But if you mean those that are attracted to those that are younger than 18, then you are correct. They are a oppressed minority. And just like the gays, most are born with the sexual attraction. What you may not know is that 2 studies have shown that the minor attracted adult may be more common than the homosexual. They showed that 10% of young males COULD have a sexual attraction to pubescent child or younger. Just like 10% showed that they had or could have a attraction to the same sex.Which means there are 24 million pedophiles in this country, or 10% of adult population. And thats a awful lot of votes to some politician.
Still, I'd like to point out that only in a nation as bureaucratized and emasculated as America does this legal concept even require definition. What kind of a father is incapable or unwilling to deliver personal justice for his daughter's horrible violation? America's soccer dads would never lift a finger to personally dispense justice to anyone. That'd get them kicked off the PTA, probably. And they'd have to shoot a gun, and guns are icky.
All this pathos for a raping pile of scum.
Meanwhile, a little girl is broken mentally, physically and spiritually.
For LIFE.
I expect most of you defenders would just tell the little girl to just get over it..sorta just getting her in tune for the her life as a woman. Ehhh ?
Channel 23 News just took a poll over the last hour.
"Do you believe Child rapists deserve the death penalty "
97 % SAID YES !!!
Funny. I always thought the reason we had a written constitution was to avoid putting rights and powers at the capricious whims of the majority.
wonder what your reaction would be if 97% of the respondents in a poll said they believed the Second Amendment DIDN'T protect an individual right?
wonder what your reaction would be if 97% of the respondents in a poll said they believed the Second Amendment DIDN'T protect an individual right?Actually, the Constitution pretty much guarantees the right of the majority to rule. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say these laws are enshrined to defend the minority against idiots.
Besides, since when did majority rule bother you? It's not like you and your pals didn't crow loud enough when your guy received a "mandate" and proceeded to shred the Constitution.
In fact, if I remember correctly, you and your pals all but applauded Bush for the various Brave New World-esque tactics he engaged in and measures he had passed.
Why the sudden concern for the Constitution now?
quote:Funny. I always thought the reason we had a written constitution was to avoid putting rights and powers at the capricious whims of the majority.
wonder what your reaction would be if 97% of the respondents in a poll said they believed the Second Amendment DIDN'T protect an individual right?Actually, the Constitution pretty much guarantees the right of the majority to rule. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say these laws are enshrined to defend the minority against idiots.
Besides, since when did majority rule bother you? It's not like you and your pals didn't crow loud enough when your guy received a "mandate" and proceeded to shred the Constitution.
In fact, if I remember correctly, you and your pals all but applauded Bush for the various Brave New World-esque tactics he engaged in and measures he had passed.
Why the sudden concern for the Constitution now?
Really? The constitution guarantees the right of the majority to rule? So my town can pass an ordinance by majority vote confiscating all printing presses (without compensation, mind you) owned by Catholics, shut down their churches, making them subject to random searches and seizures, making them liable to held in custody without charges, deny them the right to a trial by jury, station troops in their homes, subject them to flogging and stoning, and take away their guns?
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the rest of your "thoughts," I'll give you the same advice I always have: have your doctor adjust your meds.
But back to the point, if two-thirds of the states agree to an amendment allowing said actions, then yes, so be it.
It allows for majority rule... but no one said it would be easy.
hat is funny is a scotus that decides out of thin air that vicious animals are to be allowed to breath the same air as their victims.
I have to disagree. There shouldn't be a "death row" to begin with. That is one more glitch in a failed system. Trip the switch, and stop feeding the garbage. An empty and waiting chair would certainly be a deterrent...........NEXT!!!!!!!!!
AMEN! If they have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers, SHOOT THEM!
CHILD MOLESTERS SHOULD BE SHOT!!!
Though I tend to agree with the decision (based soley on the believe that the death penalty will result in fewer surviving victims) I do not see where it is within the power of the SCOTUS to make such a decision. It is, however, within the power of the good people of Louisiana to make that decision. How soon the Kennedy court forgets the existence of the 10th Amendment.
The determination that the death penalty (a penalty that has been upheld by the court) is inappropriate for child rape is a policy decision (as so stated by Alito in his dissent) and not a decision appropriately rendered by the court. In no way can execution be an excessive fine, nor, given that it is an allowed penalty, can it be determined cruel and unusual as prohibited by the 8th Amendment.
It is simply democratic mob rule that has put us in the position of accepting the Kennedy vs. the state of LA decision. So in practice, majority rule is king, and the rule of law is trampled.
Brad Steele