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Another NAVY Collision - USS JOHN S. MCCAIN
Frogdog
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WOW......another one.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/20/uss-john-s-mccain-collides-with-merchant-ship-in-pacific.html
The guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain was involved in a collision with a merchant vessel east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca, the Navy said in a tweet.
Initial reports indicate the warship sustained damage to its port side aft.
No immediate word on any casualties. Search and rescue efforts are under way in coordination with local authorities, the Navy said.
The warship is named after John S. McCain, Sr., and John S. McCain, Jr., both Admirals in the U.S. Navy, and the grandfather and father, respectively, of the Arizona senator.
This crash comes days after the top three leaders aboard the USS Fitzgerald were relieved of command. That warship was damaged badly in a collision off the coast of Japan that killed seven sailors in June.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/20/uss-john-s-mccain-collides-with-merchant-ship-in-pacific.html
The guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain was involved in a collision with a merchant vessel east of Singapore and the Strait of Malacca, the Navy said in a tweet.
Initial reports indicate the warship sustained damage to its port side aft.
No immediate word on any casualties. Search and rescue efforts are under way in coordination with local authorities, the Navy said.
The warship is named after John S. McCain, Sr., and John S. McCain, Jr., both Admirals in the U.S. Navy, and the grandfather and father, respectively, of the Arizona senator.
This crash comes days after the top three leaders aboard the USS Fitzgerald were relieved of command. That warship was damaged badly in a collision off the coast of Japan that killed seven sailors in June.
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Actually, there's no humor here, our service people are dying. How, in the name of all that is right, with the hi-tech electronics and other whiz bang stuff, does this even begin to happen?
With all the lessons in seamanship that have been promulgated since the Fitzgerald, and this happens?
CinC PACFLT is feelin' some heat.
[:(]
pretty worthless..needs to be junked
Paint the ships orange and put fenders on them.
With all the lessons in seamanship that have been promulgated since the Fitzgerald, and this happens?
CinC PACFLT is feelin' some heat.
[:(]
This one will be that the Capt of the ship will not be the Highest Officer Relieved.
After all the person the ship is named after is a big supporter of lowering standards and letting anybody serve.
With a name like that, perhaps the fleet commander filled the ship with deadbeats, not promotables, and other misfits.
After all the person the ship is named after is a big supporter of lowering standards and letting anybody serve.
Same family, wrong guy. Named after his Daddy and Grandaddy.
Brad Steele
Insurance fraud????
Hillary supporters making it happen to make Trump look bad????
You know I can't be a coincidence.
Are these people texting? DWA? Waterlogged in the head?
Lord have mercy on our service men and women.
I think the USN needs to get back to fundamentals, like a port and starboard watch.
I was never a sailor but I cannot see how this can happen unless there is gross negligence involved.
I think the USN needs to get back to fundamentals, like a port and starboard watch.
I agree. I've never been a sailor, I've never even been out on a cruise ship. These ships are simply too expensive to damage through accidents, so I wonder if there is too much emphasis being placed on electronic detection and monitoring systems and not enough crewmen are available to stand watch in order to keep a lookout?
Prayers for the missing.
Neal
Wasn't there a story (tin foil) rumor of technology that can shut down the radars of U.S. ships a few months ago?
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
I was never a sailor but I cannot see how this can happen unless there is gross negligence involved.
I think the USN needs to get back to fundamentals, like a port and starboard watch.
I agree. I've never been a sailor, I've never even been out on a cruise ship. These ships are simply too expensive to damage through accidents, so I wonder if there is too much emphasis being placed on electronic detection and monitoring systems and not enough crewmen are available to stand watch in order to keep a lookout?
That may be it, Mark, but it also may be that there has been more time given to sensitivity training than basic seamanship.
Sorry, seapersonship.
No, that suggests identifying as a person.
Let's go with seabeingship.
Brad Steele
wouldn't suprise me if the chinese are testing an new electronic weapon to screw up our ships..thay certainly do NOT want us operating in areas near china or what they are claiming is now theirs...how few years ago would building islands in the ocean seemed sci-fi
I agree this could be a focused attack on our ships but it still doesn't explain why there are no look outs.
Like I said I was never in the USN but I have been on a lot of boats on the ocean.
I was stationed in Panama for 5 years and fished on Lake Gatun where ships crossing the Canal sail all day and night every day.
These ships are huge and very slow. They are easy to see. Getting hit by one would take some serious negligence on the part of the crew.
I think there has become a dangerous reliance on "electronic" gizmos in all our military services. I saw this trend before I retired in 2006. 11 Years later I cannot see how it reversed its self, and from what I have seen the dependence has become worse.
Murphy will come along and mess with electronic stuff so its best to have a back up, preferably made of meat or metal.
Next one will be packed with explosive's
into the side of an Aircraft Carrier.
Practice runs...
Next one will be packed with explosive's
into the side of an Aircraft Carrier.
Right about the time Jong Un launches his fire and fury.
With the new poster child of the elite seal team six being a whacked off perv, it has emboldened them to violate the UCMJ with PDA in uniform, thus, party on the poop deck.
The Navy has been demoralized.
Trump needs to re establish MILITARY law and order within the military.
I do know one area the Navy erred greatly in with the Fitzgerald.
NJP does not get peoples attention like special or general courts martials.
Discipline has gone to hell. We all choose the Navy for the adventure. With great rewards also come great risks. We know we have a job to do and if we are lax, men die. Leavenworth should have been a TAD assignment for some of the officers and enlisteds.
If there was as much negligence with the McCain as with the Fitzgerald, examples need to be made of the crew.
It's past time to get peoples attention.
But I have been a serious recreational sailor. As in, I can get you from one point on the globe to another, under sail, in a reasonable time...safely.
A collision by a Navy ship is not the same as you or I rubbing against another boat, ship or yacht.
I've been boarded by the coast guard because they thought I was a little too close to the wreck of the Queen Anne's Revenge. (at the time, unpublished location). And if I'd been them, I'd a run me off as well.
It is worse than running aground. We all run aground. But USN Captains lose their boat when they run aground. And it usually runs downhill a grade or three.
A FREAKIN COLLISION???!!??
This wasn't an oiler or a tug or a barge.
This is a top o the line warship.
A commercial vessel should have gotten continuous radio warnings, immediate radar input, flairs, spotlights, live shot across the bow, klaxons...
... and then they should have been cut in half by the 20mm phalanx or 25mm Bushmaster or the 127mm gun.
Or a solid ramming by a support vessel nearby.
This ship is a Ferrari.
I don't own a Ferrari. But if I did, I would kick your * into your throat if you came riding a shopping cart at it in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot.
If the merchant vessel isn't at the bottom of the Strait of Malacca with a loss of all hands, something is wrong. [V]