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OAKIE is right."If it ain't broke dont fix it." Set toilets in main house in 1969 with wax seals. Still going strong.Set toilet in 2nd house in Va 10 years ago.Still going strong.Run into unparallel set up, use a jumbo wax seal.
Smitty500mag is absolutely right.Somebody in MN. must have rocks in their head unless I am missing something.I have actually seen this happen.Especially, if you don't have a floor joist near the base of the bowl.Even then, I have seen floor joist rotted out from caulking the base of bowl.
Since we don't have an epidemic of Minnesotans riding their toilets into the basement, I'd have to say this is proof positive us MN plumbers are pretty good at installing toilets which don't leak.[:D]
quote:Originally posted by 4205raymond
OAKIE is right."If it ain't broke dont fix it." Set toilets in main house in 1969 with wax seals. Still going strong.Set toilet in 2nd house in Va 10 years ago.Still going strong.Run into unparallel set up, use a jumbo wax seal.
Agreed! Done properly, the wax should last for decades.
The biggest problem I see is with a lack of clearance between the bowl and flange -- this is particularly a problem when a newer toilet is being installed to replace an older one, as newer bowls seem to have less clearance.
Technically, the flange is usually installed too high, but I find when people try to use wax with the plastic sieve, even the additional height of the sieve (sometimes only about 1/8 inch) causes the toilet to wobble since it is making solid contact at the flange before it makes contact squarely around the outside perimeter of its base.
I would expect any "rubber" to replace wax would be too much "substance" in many tight installations.
I've more often had to remove a wax ring with a sieve, due to tight clearance, and install just a plain wax ring, than have to fill a wide gap with an extra tall wax-ring. Unfortunately, in many of these cases, when the toilet made solid contact with the flange first, someone tried to compensate, and make the toilet sit flat to the floor by over-tightening the flange-bowl bolts -- this will often result in a cracked (usually PVC) flange, which then requires additional work to repair.
While I like Fluidmaster products, I'd stick with traditional wax.
quote:Originally posted by skicat
In MN code requires caulking the stool to the floor.
I normally just flush the stool away after the proper application of paper. . [}:)]
When my 23 year old was little he flushed some Duplo blocks which caught in the toilet's trap. I had to take it out of the house to take it apart and remove the problem. When I reinstalled, I used a new wax ring. It's still working perfectly.
I installed the toilet day before yesterday and so far so good, no leaks using the Fluidmaster ring.
These pressure assisted toilets are something to behold. This one would make Al Bundy proud. [:D] With the extra height of the bowl it's nice to be able to sit down without falling into place. And standing up is a breeze.
Now the bad news. I had one little minor problem. Did you ever wonder how much water a 1/2" line can put out in your bathroom while you're running to the basement to shut off the main water valve? Yep, I managed to break the valve off at the wall. Don't even bother to ask how I did that.
quote:Originally posted by Sperry
I bet you didn't panic, though. Rule #1 of being a plumber is never to panic.
I'm not a plumber so I missed that lesson on rule #1. [:D]
Did you ever see an old man that's had an Achilles tendon repaired twice in the recent past running down 4 flights of stairs to turn off the water?? Well it's not pretty and it's not really all that fast either as the brown spot on my wife's kitchen ceiling proves.
Anybody know what's good to use to spray on a sheetrock ceiling that has the textured finish that has a light brown water spot about 6" in diameter showing through? White paint? Maybe bleach?
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
Always buy the EXTRA THICK wax gasket.Too little wax can screw the job.Can't have too much.[;)]
That's not where the water came from. The Fluidmaster non wax ring is doing fine. It's me the idiot that broke the valve off from the wall that was the problem.
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
quote:Originally posted by Sperry
I bet you didn't panic, though. Rule #1 of being a plumber is never to panic.
I'm not a plumber so I missed that lesson on rule #1. [:D]
Did you ever see an old man that's had an Achilles tendon repaired twice in the recent past running down 4 flights of stairs to turn off the water?? Well it's not pretty and it's not really all that fast either as the brown spot on my wife's kitchen ceiling proves.
Anybody know what's good to use to spray on a sheetrock ceiling that has the textured finish that has a light brown water spot about 6" in diameter showing through? White paint? Maybe bleach?
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
Always buy the EXTRA THICK wax gasket.Too little wax can screw the job.Can't have too much.[;)]
That's not where the water came from. The Fluidmaster non wax ring is doing fine. It's me the idiot that broke the valve off from the wall that was the problem.
Children love to turn knobs including toilet valves. I have been phoned many of times that they have a water leak. Sometimes the valve is barely leaking and sometimes it is going hog wild putting out water.
The problem with Kilz is that it is glossy. Even after several coats of flat on top you can still see it. Great product, but generally when I have had to use it to cover spots I end up coating that entire wall (or ceiling)
I had a seal go bad between the tank and the bowl in the master head. Very small leak but it made a spot on the ceiling below. I REALLY dont want to kilz it, but I may have to..... three coats of flat is not stopping the stain....
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In MN code requires caulking the stool to the floor.
That is a very bad idea. With a leak you could find yourself falling though a rotten floor into the basement someday while sitting on the john. [:D]
Seriously though leaving the backside of it un caulked would work. At least you could see water running out if you had a leak otherwise it's trapped.
OAKIE is right."If it ain't broke dont fix it." Set toilets in main house in 1969 with wax seals. Still going strong.Set toilet in 2nd house in Va 10 years ago.Still going strong.Run into unparallel set up, use a jumbo wax seal.
Agreed! Done properly, the wax should last for decades.
The biggest problem I see is with a lack of clearance between the bowl and flange -- this is particularly a problem when a newer toilet is being installed to replace an older one, as newer bowls seem to have less clearance.
Technically, the flange is usually installed too high, but I find when people try to use wax with the plastic sieve, even the additional height of the sieve (sometimes only about 1/8 inch) causes the toilet to wobble since it is making solid contact at the flange before it makes contact squarely around the outside perimeter of its base.
I would expect any "rubber" to replace wax would be too much "substance" in many tight installations.
I've more often had to remove a wax ring with a sieve, due to tight clearance, and install just a plain wax ring, than have to fill a wide gap with an extra tall wax-ring. Unfortunately, in many of these cases, when the toilet made solid contact with the flange first, someone tried to compensate, and make the toilet sit flat to the floor by over-tightening the flange-bowl bolts -- this will often result in a cracked (usually PVC) flange, which then requires additional work to repair.
While I like Fluidmaster products, I'd stick with traditional wax.
In MN code requires caulking the stool to the floor.
I normally just flush the stool away after the proper application of paper. . [}:)]
When my 23 year old was little he flushed some Duplo blocks which caught in the toilet's trap. I had to take it out of the house to take it apart and remove the problem. When I reinstalled, I used a new wax ring. It's still working perfectly.
Two tone toilet
That is the way I would go and then add the furry toilet seat
These pressure assisted toilets are something to behold. This one would make Al Bundy proud. [:D] With the extra height of the bowl it's nice to be able to sit down without falling into place. And standing up is a breeze.
Now the bad news. I had one little minor problem. Did you ever wonder how much water a 1/2" line can put out in your bathroom while you're running to the basement to shut off the main water valve? Yep, I managed to break the valve off at the wall. Don't even bother to ask how I did that.
The Sloan Flushmate inside of most pressure-assist toilets is guaranteed for maybe life.
I've called them for toilets 15 years old and have still gotten parts.
I bet you didn't panic, though. Rule #1 of being a plumber is never to panic.
I'm not a plumber so I missed that lesson on rule #1. [:D]
Did you ever see an old man that's had an Achilles tendon repaired twice in the recent past running down 4 flights of stairs to turn off the water??
Anybody know what's good to use to spray on a sheetrock ceiling that has the textured finish that has a light brown water spot about 6" in diameter showing through? White paint? Maybe bleach?
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
Always buy the EXTRA THICK wax gasket.Too little wax can screw the job.Can't have too much.[;)]
That's not where the water came from. The Fluidmaster non wax ring is doing fine. It's me the idiot that broke the valve off from the wall that was the problem.
quote:Originally posted by Sperry
I bet you didn't panic, though. Rule #1 of being a plumber is never to panic.
I'm not a plumber so I missed that lesson on rule #1. [:D]
Did you ever see an old man that's had an Achilles tendon repaired twice in the recent past running down 4 flights of stairs to turn off the water??
Anybody know what's good to use to spray on a sheetrock ceiling that has the textured finish that has a light brown water spot about 6" in diameter showing through? White paint? Maybe bleach?
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
Always buy the EXTRA THICK wax gasket.Too little wax can screw the job.Can't have too much.[;)]
That's not where the water came from. The Fluidmaster non wax ring is doing fine. It's me the idiot that broke the valve off from the wall that was the problem.
Children love to turn knobs including toilet valves. I have been phoned many of times that they have a water leak. Sometimes the valve is barely leaking and sometimes it is going hog wild putting out water.
http://solutions.kilz.com/solution/8
The problem with Kilz is that it is glossy. Even after several coats of flat on top you can still see it. Great product, but generally when I have had to use it to cover spots I end up coating that entire wall (or ceiling)
I had a seal go bad between the tank and the bowl in the master head. Very small leak but it made a spot on the ceiling below. I REALLY dont want to kilz it, but I may have to..... three coats of flat is not stopping the stain....
Wait 20 minutes, and do it again. A few light coats should make it disappear.
If this was a paying job, I'd probably have to repaint the whole ceiling.