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There hasnt been a good pop singer since Elvis.
Both the Mamas and Papas, and the beach boys, sang out of tune-so one couldnt call what they did "great harmony". The mamas and papas were worse than the beach boys, but the ones who suffered from intonationitis the worst was CSN, and CSN and Y- Like having your ear drum split in half with a hammer and chisel.
That being said, I do like Pet Sounds-its charming in a cartoonish sort of way.
I especially enjoy listening to that lunatic Brian Wilson, speaking about how "Paul McCartney said it was the best pop album". Of course, McCartney said that before "SGT Pepper" was released, and I think REVOLVER wasnt even out yet- which was the greatest musical endeavor of those drugged out years.
....I don't know salzo, I'm listening to the Mamas and Papas now, and to my tone-deaf ears, they sound pretty good. Has anyone mentioned Peter, Paul and Mary? Man, am I ever dating myself...[:D]
.....BDJ...yeppers....Delta blues..mm mm good. Gatemouth Brown doin' "Back to Bogalusa".
.....I have a CD of Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughan. Those two played off each other like they grew up together. Great album.
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
You can't talk blues without saying Robert Johnson, so let's not talk blues.
Robert Johnson gets a lot more credit than he probably deserves since he was really the first of his genre' to be recorded by whitey. Some of his guitar licks are phenomenal and are the basis for every rock and roll song played since. Listen to Muddy Waters. It is the exact same riffs as Johnson. Then listen to Jimmie Hendrix and slow it down in your head. It is the exact same riffs as Muddy Waters. Johnson simply stole and developed his riffs from a bunch of guys we will never know even existed because they never left the juke joints and bars. There are guys today that can out play,out sing,outwrite any of todays recording artists that most of us will never know existed because they have no interest in being part of the industry.
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
Dick Dale lives out here in Wonder Valley.
Three-chord Dickie totally blows. He played live at a Bud Brown movie at the Santa Monica Civic when I was in high school. We hooted him off the stage.
I hear ya. None the less, he took the music on the road last year and even played on Leno's show I think. The heat and the sun have pretty much fried him (IMO) just like a lot of other desert people out here. (He's just kind of the average *, but he isn't a bad person.) It comes from running around drunk or stoned in the summer sun without a hat. I don't know him. But a buddy of mine plays a lot of music locally and knows who all is out here, and meets everybody. Eric Burdon lives in Joshua Tree. Donovan owns some place in Pioneer Town.
I used to go to this Tavern called the Cantina. The people that owned it were in the music business. I forget the name of the gal that worked in LA, but she would get people to come out there. You'd be sittin there getting schnockered and here the people on the stage playing Eagles music or something, look up, and it would be the Eagles. What a trip that was. One time I played pool with this odd little guy that would walk over to the wall and jot things down on a piece of paper. It was months later when I recognized Phil Collins... what a laugh man.
quote:Originally posted by Lowrider
Dick Dale plays guitar upside-down. Anybody wanta try that?
so did hendrix and his name is more recognizable.
But that is a good feat. +1 for Dick Dale
But you also have to remember that he didn't learn it last week...
physical repetitive things that a body gets trained to become second nature and do not indicate that there is a consciousness guiding it once it becomes part of an automated system of neural pathways.
Consider driving and also day dreaming or having a discussion. Who's driving the car when you aren't there?
I'd have bet $10,000 somebody would say that. [xx(]
Hendrix played a right-handed Stratocaster left-handed (the guitar was flipped upside-down) but it was re-strung so the strings were in the proper order with the low "E" string on the top and the high "E" string on the bottom.
Dick Dale plays with the strings backward. The high "E" is on the top and the low "E" is on the bottom.
quote:Originally posted by Lowrider
"so did hendrix..."
I'd have bet $10,000 somebody would say that. [xx(]
Hendrix played a right-handed Stratocaster left-handed (the guitar was flipped upside-down) but it was re-strung so the strings were in the proper order with the low "E" string on the top and the high "E" string on the bottom.
Dick Dale plays with the strings backward. The high "E" is on the top and the low "E" is on the bottom.
look real close at the video (ok, film) from woodstock
anyway, other people play like that too.
some people tune their guitars in octaves...
it doesn't MAKE them anything.
it just something to comment about.\\What if dale was really a retard and couldn't play it the right way?
besides all it means is that he flipped it over and learned the finger placement... so?
My comment ("You wanta try that?") about Dick Dale and his upside-down guitar was tongue-in-cheek. However he DOES play it backwards.
But Jimi Hendrix did NOT play that way.
Thanks for your confidence in believing "I could do it too." [:D] But I've been playing guitar the standard way for nearly 40 years and I have no desire to start learning it upside-down. Just lazy, I guess. [:D]
quote:Originally posted by Lowrider
I've been playing guitar the standard way for nearly 40 years and I have no desire to start learning it upside-down.
quote:Originally posted by Lowrider
My comment ("You wanta try that?") about Dick Dale and his upside-down guitar was tongue-in-cheek. However he DOES play it backwards.
But Jimi Hendrix did NOT play that way.
Thanks for your confidence in believing "I could do it too." [:D] But I've been playing guitar the standard way for nearly 40 years and I have no desire to start learning it upside-down. Just lazy, I guess. [:D]
I hear ya and I'm just playing with you. I ain't trying to make an enemy out of ya....
I used to play too, if I played it upside down, well... I guess my ego would glow... hehehe just like my bald head
which would just prove my earlier point about desert dwellers and heat and sun and no hat....
Drat! I thought you'd drag that video out and look at it...
Brian Wilson was/ is a genius. His combination of instruments to acheive a certian sound is brilliant. He also writes great arrangements. God Only Knows is one of my Favorite songs. Neil Diamond did a version of that on his 1979 "I'm glad youre here with me tonight" album, and I must say I believe it is just as good as the original. (props to Brian for wrtiting it though)
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
I always did like the Beach Boys, but I can only take so much nostalgia at one time.
Ever hear anybody say "I always did like Beethoven, but I can only take so much nostalgia at one time"? What's the difference? "Disco Inferno" is nostalgia; "Don't Worry Baby" ain't.
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
I always did like the Beach Boys, but I can only take so much nostalgia at one time.
Ever hear anybody say "I always did like Beethoven, but I can only take so much nostalgia at one time"? What's the difference? "Disco Inferno" is nostalgia; "Don't Worry Baby" ain't.
I don't mind remembering the past, I just don't live there.
Too much beach boys, like too much early beatles reminds me that I was 10 or 12 back then. Hendrix, which I used to like above most others gives me a headache from too much exposure. Music of course is timeless. Its my own associations that wear me out.
I like the music for the sake of the music. But if I hear a lot of it over a short period of time, I get worn out on it quickly.
there is music on James Taylor's "sweet baby james" that is as precise and clear as harmony can be....I am gonna crack out the CD and see how it sounds in the new system in the car.
Chicago....hmmm IV?....is that where "dialog (1 & 2)" is? perfect music there too....
Give me the music that is crafted to exemplify the talents of the musicians, not the ability of a sound mixer...
Alison Krause
Ella Fitzgerald
Police
James Taylor
Chicago ( but only with peter cetera)
Luther Vandross
Mint Juleps
Smokey
quote:Originally posted by tacking1
the Briish...or Bree Ash trip were far superior to the beach boys for one reason....weaponry.
You're right.. The Beatles used their guitars like assault rifles(Exmpl. Revolution 9) while the Beach boys were armed with muzzle loaders by comparison.
The difference between the Brits and the Beach Boys was the Brits were more influence by the blues and low down R&B, while the BBs were more influenced by doo-*.
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
If the Beach Boys were so good, how come they were unable to stem the "Briish Invasion?"
I dunno, why didn't the "British Invasion" stem disco? Musical tastes, like hemlines and hair fashion, change; does that make Pet Sounds or Abbey Road any less remarkable? Every musical generation has crap and genius (except for the current one, which is all crap). Asking why the Beach Boys didn't fend off the British tide is like asking why Mozart couldn't fend off Strauss.
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
If the Beach Boys were so good, how come they were unable to stem the "Briish Invasion?"
I dunno, why didn't the "British Invasion" stem disco? Musical tastes, like hemlines and hair fashion, change; does that make Pet Sounds or Abbey Road any less remarkable? Every musical generation has crap and genius (except for the current one, which is all crap). Asking why the Beach Boys didn't fend off the British tide is like asking why Mozart couldn't fend off Strauss.
There are some sociologists who feel the mood of the country changed about 1968 and that muscial tastes changed also. The Beach Boys represent a hangover from the placid '50s, happy young people driving around in their cars with their girlfriends. The Beatles and tthe Stones reflected the turmoil in world, the uncertainty of the cold war, the violence in Vietnam etc.
quote:Too much beach boys, like too much early beatles reminds me that I was 10 or 12 back then
[V]
And I was in my Senior year when the Beatles hit, so I have far more reason not to live in the past than you. Sgt. Pepper and Revolver still rock, Abby Road ain't bad either.
quote:(except for the current one, which is all crap)
Actually there is some pretty decent poetry in the Rap/Hip Hop genre. That said I don't listen to that crap either.
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
quote:Too much beach boys, like too much early beatles reminds me that I was 10 or 12 back then
[V]
And I was in my Senior year when the Beatles hit, so I have far more reason not to live in the past than you. Sgt. Pepper and Revolver still rock, Abby Road ain't bad either.
quote:(except for the current one, which is all crap)
Actually there is some pretty decent poetry in the Rap/Hip Hop genre. That said I don't listen to that crap either.
you're right. Its still good music. I like it when my kids say "Hey that's pretty good."
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
quote:Originally posted by tacking1
the Briish...or Bree Ash trip were far superior to the beach boys for one reason....weaponry.
You're right.. The Beatles used their guitars like assault rifles(Exmpl. Revolution 9) while the Beach boys were armed with muzzle loaders by comparison.
so was hendix's use of a guitar like a nuke or a phaser? hehehe
Mozart wasn't deaf,... Beethoven was.....[:I][}:)]
Yeah, I know. Senior moment! [:)] Thought that I had come up with such a witty thing to say.
I was working on a truck box about the same time that you were posting this when I suddenly had a "Doh!" moment and realized my mistake. Was hoping to sneak back in tonight and delete my post if nobody had said anything about it.
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
quote:Originally posted by tacking1
the Briish...or Bree Ash trip were far superior to the beach boys for one reason....weaponry.
You're right.. The Beatles used their guitars like assault rifles(Exmpl. Revolution 9) while the Beach boys were armed with muzzle loaders by comparison.
so was hendix's use of a guitar like a nuke or a phaser? hehehe
Truth is the beatles had nothing on the Beach Boys, technically or otherwise. paul mcCartney has been quoted a number of times saying that pet sounds was the greaest album ever recorded and that the beatles learned about multitrack recording from Brian Wilson.
by the same toke, hendrix and many other homegrown American bands certainly held their own against the British Invasion.
Comments
Clouder..
Both the Mamas and Papas, and the beach boys, sang out of tune-so one couldnt call what they did "great harmony". The mamas and papas were worse than the beach boys, but the ones who suffered from intonationitis the worst was CSN, and CSN and Y- Like having your ear drum split in half with a hammer and chisel.
That being said, I do like Pet Sounds-its charming in a cartoonish sort of way.
I especially enjoy listening to that lunatic Brian Wilson, speaking about how "Paul McCartney said it was the best pop album". Of course, McCartney said that before "SGT Pepper" was released, and I think REVOLVER wasnt even out yet- which was the greatest musical endeavor of those drugged out years.
Clouder..
Bet you were a Patience and Prudence fan too Clouder...[}:)]
I know (I know)
You belong to somebody new
But Tonight you belong to me
.....BDJ...yeppers....Delta blues..mm mm good. Gatemouth Brown doin' "Back to Bogalusa".
.....I have a CD of Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughan. Those two played off each other like they grew up together. Great album.
quote:Perfect harmony, as only blood siblings can achieve? The Everlys.
Clouder..
Bet you were a Patience and Prudence fan too Clouder...[}:)]
Nope. Didn't care much for the Everly Brothers either, but their harmony was perfection, unmatched since.
Clouder..
You can't talk blues without saying Robert Johnson, so let's not talk blues.
Robert Johnson gets a lot more credit than he probably deserves since he was really the first of his genre' to be recorded by whitey. Some of his guitar licks are phenomenal and are the basis for every rock and roll song played since. Listen to Muddy Waters. It is the exact same riffs as Johnson. Then listen to Jimmie Hendrix and slow it down in your head. It is the exact same riffs as Muddy Waters. Johnson simply stole and developed his riffs from a bunch of guys we will never know even existed because they never left the juke joints and bars. There are guys today that can out play,out sing,outwrite any of todays recording artists that most of us will never know existed because they have no interest in being part of the industry.
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
Dick Dale lives out here in Wonder Valley.
Three-chord Dickie totally blows. He played live at a Bud Brown movie at the Santa Monica Civic when I was in high school. We hooted him off the stage.
I hear ya. None the less, he took the music on the road last year and even played on Leno's show I think. The heat and the sun have pretty much fried him (IMO) just like a lot of other desert people out here. (He's just kind of the average *, but he isn't a bad person.) It comes from running around drunk or stoned in the summer sun without a hat. I don't know him. But a buddy of mine plays a lot of music locally and knows who all is out here, and meets everybody. Eric Burdon lives in Joshua Tree. Donovan owns some place in Pioneer Town.
I used to go to this Tavern called the Cantina. The people that owned it were in the music business. I forget the name of the gal that worked in LA, but she would get people to come out there. You'd be sittin there getting schnockered and here the people on the stage playing Eagles music or something, look up, and it would be the Eagles. What a trip that was. One time I played pool with this odd little guy that would walk over to the wall and jot things down on a piece of paper. It was months later when I recognized Phil Collins... what a laugh man.
Dick Dale plays guitar upside-down. Anybody wanta try that?
so did hendrix and his name is more recognizable.
But that is a good feat. +1 for Dick Dale
But you also have to remember that he didn't learn it last week...
physical repetitive things that a body gets trained to become second nature and do not indicate that there is a consciousness guiding it once it becomes part of an automated system of neural pathways.
Consider driving and also day dreaming or having a discussion. Who's driving the car when you aren't there?
I'd have bet $10,000 somebody would say that. [xx(]
Hendrix played a right-handed Stratocaster left-handed (the guitar was flipped upside-down) but it was re-strung so the strings were in the proper order with the low "E" string on the top and the high "E" string on the bottom.
Dick Dale plays with the strings backward. The high "E" is on the top and the low "E" is on the bottom.
"so did hendrix..."
I'd have bet $10,000 somebody would say that. [xx(]
Hendrix played a right-handed Stratocaster left-handed (the guitar was flipped upside-down) but it was re-strung so the strings were in the proper order with the low "E" string on the top and the high "E" string on the bottom.
Dick Dale plays with the strings backward. The high "E" is on the top and the low "E" is on the bottom.
look real close at the video (ok, film) from woodstock
anyway, other people play like that too.
some people tune their guitars in octaves...
it doesn't MAKE them anything.
it just something to comment about.\\What if dale was really a retard and couldn't play it the right way?
besides all it means is that he flipped it over and learned the finger placement... so?
you could do it too.
but... why?
But Jimi Hendrix did NOT play that way.
Thanks for your confidence in believing "I could do it too." [:D] But I've been playing guitar the standard way for nearly 40 years and I have no desire to start learning it upside-down. Just lazy, I guess. [:D]
I've been playing guitar the standard way for nearly 40 years and I have no desire to start learning it upside-down.
Roger Van Halen?
Acoustic guitar.
My comment ("You wanta try that?") about Dick Dale and his upside-down guitar was tongue-in-cheek. However he DOES play it backwards.
But Jimi Hendrix did NOT play that way.
Thanks for your confidence in believing "I could do it too." [:D] But I've been playing guitar the standard way for nearly 40 years and I have no desire to start learning it upside-down. Just lazy, I guess. [:D]
I hear ya and I'm just playing with you. I ain't trying to make an enemy out of ya....
I used to play too, if I played it upside down, well... I guess my ego would glow... hehehe just like my bald head
which would just prove my earlier point about desert dwellers and heat and sun and no hat....
Drat! I thought you'd drag that video out and look at it...
take care
I think I still have some albums here.
I made sure I got Neil Young nad Crosby stills and nash etc. on CD
Did you guys know that David Gilmour has a new album out?
The lead song "On An Island" has Crosby and Nash harmonizing on it.
Man I was jonesin for some Pink Floyd.
I always did like the Beach Boys, but I can only take so much nostalgia at one time.
Ever hear anybody say "I always did like Beethoven, but I can only take so much nostalgia at one time"? What's the difference? "Disco Inferno" is nostalgia; "Don't Worry Baby" ain't.
quote:Originally posted by amsptcds
I always did like the Beach Boys, but I can only take so much nostalgia at one time.
Ever hear anybody say "I always did like Beethoven, but I can only take so much nostalgia at one time"? What's the difference? "Disco Inferno" is nostalgia; "Don't Worry Baby" ain't.
I don't mind remembering the past, I just don't live there.
Too much beach boys, like too much early beatles reminds me that I was 10 or 12 back then. Hendrix, which I used to like above most others gives me a headache from too much exposure. Music of course is timeless. Its my own associations that wear me out.
I like the music for the sake of the music. But if I hear a lot of it over a short period of time, I get worn out on it quickly.
Chicago....hmmm IV?....is that where "dialog (1 & 2)" is? perfect music there too....
Give me the music that is crafted to exemplify the talents of the musicians, not the ability of a sound mixer...
Alison Krause
Ella Fitzgerald
Police
James Taylor
Chicago ( but only with peter cetera)
Luther Vandross
Mint Juleps
Smokey
the Briish...or Bree Ash trip were far superior to the beach boys for one reason....weaponry.
You're right.. The Beatles used their guitars like assault rifles(Exmpl. Revolution 9) while the Beach boys were armed with muzzle loaders by comparison.
If the Beach Boys were so good, how come they were unable to stem the "Briish Invasion?"
I dunno, why didn't the "British Invasion" stem disco? Musical tastes, like hemlines and hair fashion, change; does that make Pet Sounds or Abbey Road any less remarkable? Every musical generation has crap and genius (except for the current one, which is all crap). Asking why the Beach Boys didn't fend off the British tide is like asking why Mozart couldn't fend off Strauss.
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
If the Beach Boys were so good, how come they were unable to stem the "Briish Invasion?"
I dunno, why didn't the "British Invasion" stem disco? Musical tastes, like hemlines and hair fashion, change; does that make Pet Sounds or Abbey Road any less remarkable? Every musical generation has crap and genius (except for the current one, which is all crap). Asking why the Beach Boys didn't fend off the British tide is like asking why Mozart couldn't fend off Strauss.
There are some sociologists who feel the mood of the country changed about 1968 and that muscial tastes changed also. The Beach Boys represent a hangover from the placid '50s, happy young people driving around in their cars with their girlfriends. The Beatles and tthe Stones reflected the turmoil in world, the uncertainty of the cold war, the violence in Vietnam etc.
[V]
And I was in my Senior year when the Beatles hit, so I have far more reason not to live in the past than you. Sgt. Pepper and Revolver still rock, Abby Road ain't bad either.
quote:(except for the current one, which is all crap)
Actually there is some pretty decent poetry in the Rap/Hip Hop genre. That said I don't listen to that crap either.
......is like asking why Mozart couldn't fend off Strauss.
Well, he COULD have if he had wanted to, but he just turned a deaf ear to him instead.
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
......is like asking why Mozart couldn't fend off Strauss.
Well, he COULD have if he had wanted to, but he just turned a deaf ear to him instead.
Mozart wasn't deaf,... Beethoven was.....[:I][}:)]
quote:Too much beach boys, like too much early beatles reminds me that I was 10 or 12 back then
[V]
And I was in my Senior year when the Beatles hit, so I have far more reason not to live in the past than you. Sgt. Pepper and Revolver still rock, Abby Road ain't bad either.
quote:(except for the current one, which is all crap)
Actually there is some pretty decent poetry in the Rap/Hip Hop genre. That said I don't listen to that crap either.
you're right. Its still good music. I like it when my kids say "Hey that's pretty good."
quote:Originally posted by tacking1
the Briish...or Bree Ash trip were far superior to the beach boys for one reason....weaponry.
You're right.. The Beatles used their guitars like assault rifles(Exmpl. Revolution 9) while the Beach boys were armed with muzzle loaders by comparison.
so was hendix's use of a guitar like a nuke or a phaser? hehehe
Mozart wasn't deaf,... Beethoven was.....[:I][}:)]
Yeah, I know. Senior moment! [:)] Thought that I had come up with such a witty thing to say.
I was working on a truck box about the same time that you were posting this when I suddenly had a "Doh!" moment and realized my mistake. Was hoping to sneak back in tonight and delete my post if nobody had said anything about it.
Dang!
quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
quote:Originally posted by tacking1
the Briish...or Bree Ash trip were far superior to the beach boys for one reason....weaponry.
You're right.. The Beatles used their guitars like assault rifles(Exmpl. Revolution 9) while the Beach boys were armed with muzzle loaders by comparison.
so was hendix's use of a guitar like a nuke or a phaser? hehehe
Truth is the beatles had nothing on the Beach Boys, technically or otherwise. paul mcCartney has been quoted a number of times saying that pet sounds was the greaest album ever recorded and that the beatles learned about multitrack recording from Brian Wilson.
by the same toke, hendrix and many other homegrown American bands certainly held their own against the British Invasion.
Nice "typo"[;)]