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Silly but thinkable question on Mexicans
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Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
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produced millions of them - $4 a day, min. wage.[8D]
Why not just put the factories in mexico? If mexicans were such the hard working cheap skilled labor you think they are mexico would be a friggin paradise. I know, I know the government there is corrupt but ours are not the piller of virtue either,so why is such a dump?
Why move the factories and have start up cost and support a foreign nation? The cheap labor is here now..
No matter how far US labor costs could be lowered, automakers from other countries (say Korea) could still under cut those costs and offer cars for less money. Up front labor costs in Detroit, although too high, are not nealry as big a problem as health insurance costs for current and past employees and continued funding of pensions at their previous generous levels.
When the Unions are dumped all the perks will go out the window. Cheap labor, minimal benefits..
In third world countries, they attempt to compete by offering a surplus of uneducated labor. This is idea for labor intensive manufacturing that can easily be imported.
As long as the American employee at his higher wage can out perform the hord of Mexicans, HE KEEPS HIS JOB. Once the hord of illiterate or uneducated can do the job cheaper, the American employee losses his job and is forced to find a new job. Often times this new job is in manufacturing but a different industry.
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
Why not just put the factories in mexico? If mexicans were such the hard working cheap skilled labor you think they are mexico would be a friggin paradise. I know, I know the government there is corrupt but ours are not the piller of virtue either,so why is such a dump?
Why move the factories and have start up cost and support a foreign nation? The cheap labor is here now..
The labor is cheap only because healthcare and other cost are subsidized by taxpayers. If the employer or the employee has to pay for their healthcare and other benifits that would follow, said cheap labor ceased to be cheap. Unions bring up the cost of everything and if you got rid of the unions why would you have to hire a pedro off the corner? I unlike others I have no trouble finding Americans to do jobs legally at a fair price.True example except building cars he does construction: Pedro two doors over may do it for less but then the taxpayers got to pay for the welfare his two kids and girlfriend are on. Did I mention his 14 year old daughter who is on welfare is knocked up now by the son of another undocumented alien who is also on welfare? There you have three first generation Americans from this ,two born and one soon to be, from that hard working culture already on the tit. Pedro and his clan live two doors down with two other families in a three bedroom house.
Cheap labor is only cheap in the short term and benifits those in big business and penalizes the taxpayers who subsidizes them.
CW
Quality will be the same regardless WHO build the car. I can site this from experience. Just built a Quality home partially by Mexicans and the price was 25% cheaper. They only did a little of the work. Inspectors ok'd all work and I saved a bundle. Now would you buy a vehicle with the same discount in America?
I do not believe quality would be the same depending on who built the car, this is from experience. Many of the Mexican auto and body shops, can you say all,in my area have shoddy reputations for quality of repairs. Cars and other machines have alot of moving parts that have tighter tolerances than 2x4s being nailed together of drywall being installed. If your plan was implemented quality would be hit and miss with a high learning curve to follow. Skill and quality would increase in time and so would cost.
NO I would not car built by pedro.
The people assembling the cars are not a factor in my choice, it is the car itself that I am interested in. In my own case cost is not as much of an issue as QUALITY, solid engineering, attractive design and high performance. A new Caddy at half it's current price is not going to get me out of my S-class. German labor costs are probably the highest in the auto industry but BMW, Mercedes, and Porsche are not exactly suffering from lack of sales.
The cost per mile of operation of your S class is sky high compared to a Chevy malibou. Nice car, no doubt a status symbol you have earned, but not cost effective in the long run.
Well All I have seen on responses is Dodging of the answer and buying foreign. No support for American goods?
There is no such thing as buying an american car any longer, my Chevy minivan and my dear departed Camaro were both made in Canada, my old Ford Escort was made in Mexico, but I can go out and buy a Toyota truck made in Tennesee or a BMW made in South Carolina, for that matter if you buy a Jag your really buying a Ford, or if you buy a Subaru your really buying a GM, so if you want to buy American you should go out and buy a new Pontiac GTO made by Holden in Austrialia who is owned by GM in America.
I don't buy your arguement I don't care if you buy it you can have it for free. quote: Originally posted by select-fire or the shops would not be in business. Wrong again. They stay in business be offering a cheap product, you get what you pay for. Some do not stay in business long, they move down a couple blocks and reopen under a different name. They survive by creating a Mexico sub-economy below the radar and again not paying taxes. Once the State Board of Equalization catches on and tries to collect back taxes they close up and again move down a couple blocks or reopen under another name, instead of pedro's you get pablo's. Since the have almost no bottom line because they are subsidized by taxpayers they charge less, the quality for the most part is simply not there. quote:Originally posted by select-fire Mexicans can also be shown how to do quality work. Don't underestimate their intelligence... they came to American didn't they to improve their liveliness ?
Nobody underestimates their intelligence, just their disregard for the laws, leaching off taxpayers and ignoring the borders of this country. Mexicans,Africans, and Asians from undeveloped parts of the world can be tought to do quality work,they are human beings, as skill level increase so does wages, again you missed that point as you also skipped the leaching off the system as mentioned above and of all the immigrants, say ILLEGAL aliens, the mexicans leach of the system the most. You need to put the chorizo down because you sure seem facinated about pablo, try pescado you might like it better.
Did I mention I pay 10k a year in property tax and my 5 year old daughter is on a waiting list to start kindigarten at the school(funded by property and other taxes here) across the street from my house, why?
Lets just say it is from the non-english speaking kids being trucked up by their parents from their neihborhoods because they do not like the areas they are suppose to go to school in because they have turned them into dumps themselves.
What did we learn from the big illegal alien walk out on the 1st of May? The only businesses that were affected in my area were the ones that were part of the non-tax paying mini-mexico sub-economy and that is it and since the welfare checks come to them on the 3rd they did not even miss out on tecate' and tortillas because the mexican minimarts who do the check cashing were open by then.
CW
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
I don't buy your arguement I don't care if you buy it you can have it for free. quote: Originally posted by select-fire or the shops would not be in business. Wrong again. They stay in business be offering a cheap product, you get what you pay for. Some do not stay in business long, they move down a couple blocks and reopen under a different name. They survive by creating a Mexico sub-economy below the radar and again not paying taxes. Once the State Board of Equalization catches on and tries to collect back taxes they close up and again move down a couple blocks or reopen under another name, instead of pedro's you get pablo's. Since the have almost no bottom line because they are subsidized by taxpayers they charge less, the quality for the most part is simply not there. quote:Originally posted by select-fire Mexicans can also be shown how to do quality work. Don't underestimate their intelligence... they came to American didn't they to improve their liveliness ?
Nobody underestimates their intelligence, just their disregard for the laws, leaching off taxpayers and ignoring the borders of this country. Mexicans,Africans, and Asians from undeveloped parts of the world can be tought to do quality work,they are human beings, as skill level increase so does wages, again you missed that point as you also skipped the leaching off the system as mentioned above and of all the immigrants, say ILLEGAL aliens, the mexicans leach of the system the most. You need to put the chorizo down because you sure seem facinated about pablo, try pescado you might like it better.
Did I mention I pay 10k a year in property tax and my 5 year old daughter is on a waiting list to start kindigarten at the school(funded by property and other taxes here) across the street from my house, why?
Lets just say it is from the non-english speaking kids being trucked up by their parents from their neihborhoods because they do not like the areas they are suppose to go to school in because they have turned them into dumps themselves.
What did we learn from the big illegal alien walk out on the 1st of May? The only businesses that were affected in my area were the ones that were part of the non-tax paying mini-mexico sub-economy and that is it and since the welfare checks come to them on the 3rd they did not even miss out on tecate' and tortillas because the mexican minimarts who do the check cashing were open by then.
CW
The Chevrolet, Ford , or Dodge built in America by Mexicans already here will not be any different than the ones built today BUT lower cost. Your whole arguement is wasted but sounds discrimate to a subculture in your mind. I believe the unskilled American auto worker is scared their union protection someday may be gone along with their job. Talk about a change coming..
It'll never happen. Several years ago when Dodge started making pick-ups in mexico, instead of paying $25.00 an hour in USA, they were paying $25.00 a day in Mexico. Did you see the price of pick-ups come down?
The money Dodge USA saved from Dodge Mexico was used to pay the workers in Dodge USA would be my thought
quote:Originally posted by badwrench
I will never buy a foreign car (except a Ferrari, Porsche or Aston-Martin). American iron forever!
Most of the "American" cars resemble a mutt between Japanese cars with European "style" don't get me wrong I love my '94 Chevy Caprice. But given what's out there (American car) there isn't much in choice other than some Dodge (Chevy or Ford forget it[:(] sad to say).
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Quality will be the same regardless WHO build the car. I can site this from experience. Just built a Quality home partially by Mexicans and the price was 25% cheaper. They only did a little of the work. Inspectors ok'd all work and I saved a bundle. Now would you buy a vehicle with the same discount in America?
It's labor nothing more. Not like the workers had any hand in design. As long as the workers know what they're doing "little" can go wrong.
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
I do not believe quality would be the same depending on who built the car, this is from experience. Many of the Mexican auto and body shops, can you say all,in my area have shoddy reputations for quality of repairs. Cars and other machines have alot of moving parts that have tighter tolerances than 2x4s being nailed together of drywall being installed. If your plan was implemented quality would be hit and miss with a high learning curve to follow. Skill and quality would increase in time and so would cost.
NO I would not car built by pedro.
Most of the stuff in auto plants are automated (set the machine and forget it until it breaks down). As for quality being a "hit or miss" on the cars it's been like that for decades. They apply the math of recall and pay out (to see which is cheaper in doing). Most cars are like desposable razors after the final car payment is done it's time to buy a new ride. That is if you live through that car ending crash.
As for auto repare or body work it's all about employee turn over and how long the employee's been doing his craft. That and what they're working with and work condition (lacking "clean" clean-rooms, or lacking the latest and the greatest technology in). It just boils down to how much you pay for a "good" and "honest" job. Not because you were cheap and expected to see a miracle from that $99.00 paint job. (now I'm not saying "you" as the person in them situations. So, no hurt feelings.)
The unions are the problem. Union members are good, decent people. I know enough of them and believe that with all my heart. Union leaders are thieves, interested only in acquiring more power and more money for themselves. Some (note I said "some") union members are sheep and think their union leaders are the Second Coming of Jesus Himself.
Unload unions and profit margins will increase tremendously. Quality doesn't have to follow in suit. In fact, quality might actually rise. Some (again, note I said "some") union members have a sense of job security and believe that they have a right to a job, and don't put forth 100% effort on the job, day in and day out. When you contrast that with someone who knows he/she can be fired at will, that worker tends to work hard to distinguish him/herself from the pact. Those that are distinguised earn raises and promotions, whereas a union puts all that stuff in writing. Quality might go up, not down.
With profit margins on the rise, there would be a desire to keep prices level in order to maximize profits. However, that would be short-sighted by management. Good managers know that the only way you can maintain high prices when costs are so low is when you've a monopoly or an oligopoly. While it can be argued that we've an oligopoly, there's so much competition at the lowest end of the market (for those who shop on price alone), that it doesn't make good business sense to keep prices level, profits can be maximized by lowering prices, thus increasing appeal to the consumer. Increase appeal to the consumer by lowering prices, and you'll sell more cars.
This is how Walmart does it every day. They sell in volume, and make more money than those who sell at a higher price for the exact same product. They'd rather make pennies on the dollar than dimes on the dollar.
Would I be all for it? Yes. We live in a global economy, like it or not. You can bury your head in the sand and say, "I only buy American," and I'll challenge you to show me what an American car is. I can't think of a single American vehicle that doesn't use some parts from a foreign nation or isn't built in a foreign nation, can you?
If you want to argue about a car being built in America, then why not buy classify Honda and Hyundai as American vehicles?
See my point?
FWIW, we own two American vehicles ( '04 Jeep Liberty and '05 Chevy Malibu). My wife and I love them both. They were both purchased because both cars fit the needs we had, offered the options and quality we wanted, were comfortable, were safe, and were at the right price at the right time). But, to be fair, if a foreign car was offering the same goods at a lesser price, we would have purchased them just the same (FWIW, we were looking at Toyota, Nissan and Honda as well).
American-branded vehicles are quality. It just is sometimes more difficult to find a "good" American car compared to a foreign vehicle.
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
I don't buy your arguement I don't care if you buy it you can have it for free. quote: Originally posted by select-fire or the shops would not be in business. Wrong again. They stay in business be offering a cheap product, you get what you pay for. Some do not stay in business long, they move down a couple blocks and reopen under a different name. They survive by creating a Mexico sub-economy below the radar and again not paying taxes. Once the State Board of Equalization catches on and tries to collect back taxes they close up and again move down a couple blocks or reopen under another name, instead of pedro's you get pablo's. Since the have almost no bottom line because they are subsidized by taxpayers they charge less, the quality for the most part is simply not there. quote:Originally posted by select-fire Mexicans can also be shown how to do quality work. Don't underestimate their intelligence... they came to American didn't they to improve their liveliness ?
Nobody underestimates their intelligence, just their disregard for the laws, leaching off taxpayers and ignoring the borders of this country. Mexicans,Africans, and Asians from undeveloped parts of the world can be tought to do quality work,they are human beings, as skill level increase so does wages, again you missed that point as you also skipped the leaching off the system as mentioned above and of all the immigrants, say ILLEGAL aliens, the mexicans leach of the system the most. You need to put the chorizo down because you sure seem facinated about pablo, try pescado you might like it better.
Did I mention I pay 10k a year in property tax and my 5 year old daughter is on a waiting list to start kindigarten at the school(funded by property and other taxes here) across the street from my house, why?
Lets just say it is from the non-english speaking kids being trucked up by their parents from their neihborhoods because they do not like the areas they are suppose to go to school in because they have turned them into dumps themselves.
What did we learn from the big illegal alien walk out on the 1st of May? The only businesses that were affected in my area were the ones that were part of the non-tax paying mini-mexico sub-economy and that is it and since the welfare checks come to them on the 3rd they did not even miss out on tecate' and tortillas because the mexican minimarts who do the check cashing were open by then.
CW
The Chevrolet, Ford , or Dodge built in America by Mexicans already here will not be any different than the ones built today BUT lower cost. Your whole arguement is wasted but sounds discrimate to a subculture in your mind. I believe the unskilled American auto worker is scared their union protection someday may be gone along with their job. Talk about a change coming..
Incorrect as usual and you post nothing to back it up and nothing to refute any of the points but the word "discriminate", ah the race card if not in word but in it's true spirit, shows how valid any argument you put forth will be. In case you did not know auto workers are "SKILLED", not unskilled work force and shows your ignorance on the subject matter.
I find your facinations with mexicans curious, it is almost as obsessive as Hairy's palistinian fetish. It almost seems as you are trying to compinsate for some self perceived lack of machismo.
CW
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
Why not just put the factories in mexico? If mexicans were such the hard working cheap skilled labor you think they are mexico would be a friggin paradise. I know, I know the government there is corrupt but ours are not the piller of virtue either,so why is such a dump?
Why move the factories and have start up cost and support a foreign nation? The cheap labor is here now..
The labor is cheap only because healthcare and other cost are subsidized by taxpayers. If the employer or the employee has to pay for their healthcare and other benifits that would follow, said cheap labor ceased to be cheap. Unions bring up the cost of everything and if you got rid of the unions why would you have to hire a pedro off the corner? I unlike others I have no trouble finding Americans to do jobs legally at a fair price.True example except building cars he does construction: Pedro two doors over may do it for less but then the taxpayers got to pay for the welfare his two kids and girlfriend are on. Did I mention his 14 year old daughter who is on welfare is knocked up now by the son of another undocumented alien who is also on welfare? There you have three first generation Americans from this ,two born and one soon to be, from that hard working culture already on the tit. Pedro and his clan live two doors down with two other families in a three bedroom house.
Cheap labor is only cheap in the short term and benifits those in big business and penalizes the taxpayers who subsidizes them.
CW
Wrong again.. My Dad actually worked for GM for 32 years and I have numerous other relations who still do. How much skill does it take to drive a forktruck[:o)] or work " On the line". In fact employee's are often transferred from one job to another .. I guarantee you that any " off the street " labor can be shown what to do. Once again you are ignorant on your postings.
Those vehicles were the biggest pieces of doodoo on the road. Quality may have been Job One, but Job One was a bunch of Number Two if you ask me.
On the '96, that vehicle was towed 13 times in the sixteen months that I drove it. It wouldn't qualify under the Lemon Law because it was always something different causing the problem. The '98 came from the dealer with a faulty alternator, the '00 was missing cabin air filters and dropped a tranny after 8,000 miles, the '02 had floating electrical problems as did the '03 and the '06 came from the factory with a faulty clock (I drove that car for 4000 miles before I quit my job) that lost two minutes every hour.
And, before someone asks, they were company-provided vehicles. I had no sayso in the matter.
...American car manufaturers went into the crapper in the early 70's with union labor troubles, bad designs...and being smug.
This opened the door to imports...and the American Co.'s still have not figured out a better way, duh.
I have owned only one jap truck, and it cost me less per year than any truck I have owned before or since.
The Titan is on my short list...[;)]
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
Why not just put the factories in mexico? If mexicans were such the hard working cheap skilled labor you think they are mexico would be a friggin paradise. I know, I know the government there is corrupt but ours are not the piller of virtue either,so why is such a dump?
Why move the factories and have start up cost and support a foreign nation? The cheap labor is here now..
The labor is cheap only because healthcare and other cost are subsidized by taxpayers. If the employer or the employee has to pay for their healthcare and other benifits that would follow, said cheap labor ceased to be cheap. Unions bring up the cost of everything and if you got rid of the unions why would you have to hire a pedro off the corner? I unlike others I have no trouble finding Americans to do jobs legally at a fair price.True example except building cars he does construction: Pedro two doors over may do it for less but then the taxpayers got to pay for the welfare his two kids and girlfriend are on. Did I mention his 14 year old daughter who is on welfare is knocked up now by the son of another undocumented alien who is also on welfare? There you have three first generation Americans from this ,two born and one soon to be, from that hard working culture already on the tit. Pedro and his clan live two doors down with two other families in a three bedroom house.
Cheap labor is only cheap in the short term and benifits those in big business and penalizes the taxpayers who subsidizes them.
CW
Wrong again.. My Dad actually worked for GM for 32 years and I have numerous other relations who still do. How much skill does it take to drive a forktruck[:o)] or work " On the line". In fact employee's are often transferred from one job to another .. I guarantee you that any " off the street " labor can be shown what to do. Once again you are ignorant on your postings.
How much skill does it take to drive a fork lift? Must take less than it takes to align body panels (not all is automated)that come out of the body shops, and your father's or relation's experience in working in the auto industry does not give you first hand experience, unless you see ignorance and a lack of skill in them, maybe that explains the quality issues GM had in the mid 70s to mid 80s?[B)][B)] Genetics? You still have not address the taxpayers subsidizing them, if ignorant of the answer avoid the question right? If the answer makes obvious the flaw in you theory ignore it? People go to the doctor and hospitals and someone has to pay for it if there is no healthcare from the employeer the taxpayers fork it over. They can not afford to pay for auto insurance have others subsidize it with "uninsured motorist"?
So why again is mexico a 3rd world nation at best and not a industrialized economic machine? Keep avoiding the other cost besides base pay it takes to live in the US that you are not factoring in to your "cheap labor".
Go to sleep now and dream of that chorizo you just can't get out of your mind[:p].
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
Why not just put the factories in mexico? If mexicans were such the hard working cheap skilled labor you think they are mexico would be a friggin paradise. I know, I know the government there is corrupt but ours are not the piller of virtue either,so why is such a dump?
Why move the factories and have start up cost and support a foreign nation? The cheap labor is here now..
The labor is cheap only because healthcare and other cost are subsidized by taxpayers. If the employer or the employee has to pay for their healthcare and other benifits that would follow, said cheap labor ceased to be cheap. Unions bring up the cost of everything and if you got rid of the unions why would you have to hire a pedro off the corner? I unlike others I have no trouble finding Americans to do jobs legally at a fair price.True example except building cars he does construction: Pedro two doors over may do it for less but then the taxpayers got to pay for the welfare his two kids and girlfriend are on. Did I mention his 14 year old daughter who is on welfare is knocked up now by the son of another undocumented alien who is also on welfare? There you have three first generation Americans from this ,two born and one soon to be, from that hard working culture already on the tit. Pedro and his clan live two doors down with two other families in a three bedroom house.
Cheap labor is only cheap in the short term and benifits those in big business and penalizes the taxpayers who subsidizes them.
CW
Wrong again.. My Dad actually worked for GM for 32 years and I have numerous other relations who still do. How much skill does it take to drive a forktruck[:o)] or work " On the line". In fact employee's are often transferred from one job to another .. I guarantee you that any " off the street " labor can be shown what to do. Once again you are ignorant on your postings.
How much skill does it take to drive a fork lift? Must take less than it takes to align body panels (not all is automated)that come out of the body shops, and your father's or relation's experience in working in the auto industry does not give you first hand experience, unless you see ignorance and a lack of skill in them, maybe that explains the quality issues GM had in the mid 70s to mid 80s?[B)][B)] Genetics? You still have not address the taxpayers subsidizing them, if ignorant of the answer avoid the question right? If the answer makes obvious the flaw in you theory ignore it? People go to the doctor and hospitals and someone has to pay for it if there is no healthcare from the employeer the taxpayers fork it over. They can not afford to pay for auto insurance have others subsidize it with "uninsured motorist"?
So why again is mexico a 3rd world nation at best and not a industrialized economic machine? Keep avoiding the other cost besides base pay it takes to live in the US that you are not factoring in to your "cheap labor".
Go to sleep now and dream of that chorizo you just can't get out of your mind[:p].
Obviously , you live in Kalifornia and don't have Auto Sense of knowing anything about this industry. My whole senerio in this thread was to see if a car or truck would be bought IF IT WAS BUILT CHEAPER. CHEAPER MEANS CHEAPER LABOR. I have worked in the industry and do have knowledge of the magnatude of knowledge needed. Somehow I think you are surrounded in your neighborhood with low income workers of various skin color. UAW ( Union Auto Workers ) someday may not be around and regargless of skin color , ANY labor could replace the good old high paid old fashion worker. But don't forget he who will work the hardest for the dollar will prevail while whiners like yourself complain about the so called "Conditions". I've had my discussions with your limited ability mind. I also do not see your Springfield sucks tag on the end of your threads. Did you finally wake up and realize that maybe ,, just there was another issue ..that was the not the gun? But somehow you still want to argue and post on threads You know nothing about. To throw racist remarks about uninsured motorist, is totally uncalled for. There are drivers of all races that qualify for this. Grow up, and realize this world is changing around you. ( LMAO at you , not with you )
quote:
Originally posted by Red223
If I was President I'd have C-5 aircraft sitting ready for ICE. As they catch the illegals I'd load them onto the Air Force C-5's and fly them to Iraq.
Let the Iraqi's deal with them.
A lot simpler than my idea, I like it!
GREENland, land of envy and not much else.
Since there no longer are tariffs on anything EXCEPT lumber from Canada I have not and will not ever buy a new American vehicle.
Congress wants me to use my money and exploit slave labor overseas? I got a new 2006 Hyundai for the wife.
When Toyota enters a Camry in Nascar the days of American Auto manufacture are over:
Whoda thunk CAT, NAPA, Burger King and all those fancy stickers would end up on a Toyota Camry?
http://www.toyota.com/motorsports/pitpass/news.html
quote:
Obviously , you live in Kalifornia and don't have Auto Sense of knowing anything about this industry. My whole senerio in this thread was to see if a car or truck would be bought IF IT WAS BUILT CHEAPER. CHEAPER MEANS CHEAPER LABOR. I have worked in the industry and do have knowledge of the magnatude of knowledge needed. Somehow I think you are surrounded in your neighborhood with low income workers of various skin color. UAW ( Union Auto Workers ) someday may not be around and regargless of skin color , ANY labor could replace the good old high paid old fashion worker. But don't forget he who will work the hardest for the dollar will prevail while whiners like yourself complain about the so called "Conditions". I've had my discussions with your limited ability mind. I also do not see your Springfield sucks tag on the end of your threads. Did you finally wake up and realize that maybe ,, just there was another issue ..that was the not the gun? But somehow you still want to argue and post on threads You know nothing about. To throw racist remarks about uninsured motorist, is totally uncalled for. There are drivers of all races that qualify for this. Grow up, and realize this world is changing around you. ( LMAO at you , not with you )
So it went from you dad and relatives AND now to you working there? B.S. you know it and you still side stepped everything pointed out and your facts will change in your next post no doubt to you and your domestic partner's son works there now? RRIGGHHTT! You know no more about the industry than I do, you through "relatives" , well in my case there is this buddy who worked at the GM plant in Van Nuys. I never recall mentioning "conditions",want to search more old post that say I did? They are not there. The conditions you may confuse with something else, like paying taxes and following our laws like the rest of us have too. Is this what you are confused about? Whinning? Were is that, pointing out facts you can not refute and you cry as if pedro took the chorizo from you again. As far as the sig tag enough remember even a mental midget like you did so it did it's job. The remarks about uninsured motorist is racist? Check the facts, a fewer % of mexicans have insurance than any other immigrants.
Racist, right! I will have to show this to my brown skinned inlaws and friends all of whom came here legally and are sicked to see these lawbreakers demand rights. Before you side step again when you say cheap labor performed by pedro we know what you mean, the immigrants who went the legal route get the same pay as citizens here so the only cheap is ILLEGALS. One is not racist when he does not have that chorizo fetish you suffer from, and why are you not in Kali? San Fran serves your dish all day and night.
As far as growing up goes why did you chose to only post my response tp Red223 instead of my post to your thread which contained a very humain way of dealing with the ILLEGAL ALIENS, beeter than they deserve actually?
quote:Originally posted by select-fire[/i]CWatson, and here is the proof of your racist remarks on here from one of my other threads on Immigration.
Originally posted by Red223
If I was President I'd have C-5 aircraft sitting ready for ICE. As they catch the illegals I'd load them onto the Air Force C-5's and fly them to Iraq.
Let the Iraqi's deal with them.
A lot simpler than my idea, I like it!
Originally posted by CWatson
I think enforcing current laws would solve most illegal immigration problems. The trouble is we have a government that is derilict in it's duties and a group coming from south of the border that respects no laws in place and none you would in act.
Now if the purpose of this thread is to come up with a way that would allow them to stay here is a scenario that could stop the flow of illegal immigration and satisfy the wants of our elected masters.
Immigration Registration and Legalization Act (IRLA) 2006. Starting June 1st all caught crossing the border will be fingerprinted,photographed,charged with a felony and deported back across the border regardless if the are hispanic, asian, or purple. If the come north they go back south, if they come south they go back north,Mexico and Canada can figure out what to do with them since the entered at our borders with them.
About the ones here? They are here to work right? Give them 30 days to register as "guest workers" male or female anyone who does not register is charged a a illegal entry into the US, a felony under the IRLA 2006 . As guest workers the are not allowed social services reserved for legal immigrants and citizens. The are not issued a SS number they are given a Registered Guest Worker number and card. The number is used for banking and things a SS number would be used for by legal immigrants and citizens. A central data base is kept the employers can call to identify their legal status with. The cost to register will be $2500 to pay for the fingerprinting and backround check. It they have been convicted of ONE felony or three misdomeanors the arre not eligible for the guest worker program and are deported to country of origin.
Since they are not eligible for social benefits the guest worker or his employer must provide him/her with health insurance. They are not issued regular driver's licenses from DMV they are issued a "Guest Driver's" license that insurance must be kept on file.The insurances, licenses,and employment record or kept on said data base. If insurances are terminated or employment is not kept 85+% of the time they are to be return to country of origin.
When issued their "Guest Worker" card the first time it will be probationary and good for two years. After the two years are up the must pass a audit showing that the have been employed and not been convicted of the crimes mentioned above and pass written and oral exams showning the have learned english. If all goes well they will pay $1500 for the regular Guest Worker card good for four years. The card will be renewable every four years. If at anytime they guest worker has not kept his employment %, insurance lapse, or commited any infraction mentioned above their registration card and number are invalidated and they are deported. If through attrition it is found new workers are needed the can be hired through privaley owned guest workers offices that the guest workers or their to be employers pay to arrange job placement.
Their punishment for coming to the US illegaly originaly? The are not eligible for US citizenship at anytime. It is often mentioned what if they have kids that were born her? Since at this time it is accepted that once born on US soil you are a citizen the parents are given a option. Take the child back with you to your country of origin or put it up for adoption. Harsh? Why? I know several people who have have kids and ended up in jail or prison and that is the options that were given to them if they did not have family to take care of them. If it is good enough for a citizen of the US it is good enough for immigrants legal or not.
The above can be refined some, it took 20 minutes to think up.
CWatson
Originally posted by select-fire
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Obviously , you live in Kalifornia and don't have Auto Sense of knowing anything about this industry. My whole senerio in this thread was to see if a car or truck would be bought IF IT WAS BUILT CHEAPER. CHEAPER MEANS CHEAPER LABOR. I have worked in the industry and do have knowledge of the magnatude of knowledge needed. Somehow I think you are surrounded in your neighborhood with low income workers of various skin color. UAW ( Union Auto Workers ) someday may not be around and regargless of skin color , ANY labor could replace the good old high paid old fashion worker. But don't forget he who will work the hardest for the dollar will prevail while whiners like yourself complain about the so called "Conditions". I've had my discussions with your limited ability mind. I also do not see your Springfield sucks tag on the end of your threads. Did you finally wake up and realize that maybe ,, just there was another issue ..that was the not the gun? But somehow you still want to argue and post on threads You know nothing about. To throw racist remarks about uninsured motorist, is totally uncalled for. There are drivers of all races that qualify for this. Grow up, and realize this world is changing around you. ( LMAO at you , not with you )
So it went from you dad and relatives AND now to you working there? B.S. you know it and you still side stepped everything pointed out and your facts will change in your next post no doubt to you and your domestic partner's son works there now? RRIGGHHTT! You know no more about the industry than I do, you through "relatives" , well in my case there is this buddy who worked at the GM plant in Van Nuys. I never recall mentioning "conditions",want to search more old post that say I did? They are not there. The conditions you may confuse with something else, like paying taxes and following our laws like the rest of us have too. Is this what you are confused about? Whinning? Were is that, pointing out facts you can not refute and you cry as if pedro took the chorizo from you again. As far as the sig tag enough remember even a mental midget like you did so it did it's job. The remarks about uninsured motorist is racist? Check the facts, a fewer % of mexicans have insurance than any other immigrants.
Racist, right! I will have to show this to my brown skinned inlaws and friends all of whom came here legally and are sicked to see these lawbreakers demand rights. Before you side step again when you say cheap labor performed by pedro we know what you mean, the immigrants who went the legal route get the same pay as citizens here so the only cheap is ILLEGALS. One is not racist when he does not have that chorizo fetish you suffer from, and why are you not in Kali? San Fran serves your dish all day and night.
As far as growing up goes why did you chose to only post my response tp Red223 instead of my post to your thread which contained a very humain way of dealing with the ILLEGAL ALIENS, beeter than they deserve actually?
quote:Originally posted by select-fire[/i]CWatson, and here is the proof of your racist remarks on here from one of my other threads on Immigration.
Originally posted by Red223
If I was President I'd have C-5 aircraft sitting ready for ICE. As they catch the illegals I'd load them onto the Air Force C-5's and fly them to Iraq.
Let the Iraqi's deal with them.
A lot simpler than my idea, I like it!
Originally posted by CWatson
I think enforcing current laws would solve most illegal immigration problems. The trouble is we have a government that is derilict in it's duties and a group coming from south of the border that respects no laws in place and none you would in act.
Now if the purpose of this thread is to come up with a way that would allow them to stay here is a scenario that could stop the flow of illegal immigration and satisfy the wants of our elected masters.
Immigration Registration and Legalization Act (IRLA) 2006. Starting June 1st all caught crossing the border will be fingerprinted,photographed,charged with a felony and deported back across the border regardless if the are hispanic, asian, or purple. If the come north they go back south, if they come south they go back north,Mexico and Canada can figure out what to do with them since the entered at our borders with them.
About the ones here? They are here to work right? Give them 30 days to register as "guest workers" male or female anyone who does not register is charged a a illegal entry into the US, a felony under the IRLA 2006 . As guest workers the are not allowed social services reserved for legal immigrants and citizens. The are not issued a SS number they are given a Registered Guest Worker number and card. The number is used for banking and things a SS number would be used for by legal immigrants and citizens. A central data base is kept the employers can call to identify their legal status with. The cost to register will be $2500 to pay for the fingerprinting and backround check. It they have been convicted of ONE felony or three misdomeanors the arre not eligible for the guest worker program and are deported to country of origin.
Since they are not eligible for social benefits the guest worker or his employer must provide him/her with health insurance. They are not issued regular driver's licenses from DMV they are issued a "Guest Driver's" license that insurance must be kept on file.The insurances, licenses,and employment record or kept on said data base. If insurances are terminated or employment is not kept 85+% of the time they are to be return to country of origin.
When issued their "Guest Worker" card the first time it will be probationary and good for two years. After the two years are up the must pass a audit showing that the have been employed and not been convicted of the crimes mentioned above and pass written and oral exams showning the have learned english. If all goes well they will pay $1500 for the regular Guest Worker card good for four years. The card will be renewable every four years. If at anytime they guest worker has not kept his employment %, insurance lapse, or commited any infraction mentioned above their registration card and number are invalidated and they are deported. If through attrition it is found new workers are needed the can be hired through privaley owned guest workers offices that the guest workers or their to be employers pay to arrange job placement.
Their punishment for coming to the US illegaly originaly? The are not eligible for US citizenship at anytime. It is often mentioned what if they have kids that were born her? Since at this time it is accepted that once born on US soil you are a citizen the parents are given a option. Take the child back with you to your country of origin or put it up for adoption. Harsh? Why? I know several people who have have kids and ended up in jail or prison and that is the options that were given to them if they did not have family to take care of them. If it is good enough for a citizen of the US it is good enough for immigrants legal or not.
The above can be refined some, it took 20 minutes to think up.
CWatson
Wow, your mumbling remarks make no sense. Of course alot of your posts don't.
Another thing of note, why the mexican fetish? Your thread starts with cheap labor subsidized by taxpayers but as it is shown cheap labor is not as cheap as one is lead to believe it is being steered to non-union help and cheaper instead of cheap workers. Many nonmexicans of many ethnic backrounds work non-union jobs and peform them as well yet most of them came here legally, so why the mexy fetish?
Still misfiring? can not refute facts? Do you take huevos with your chorizo?
CWatson
Why the remarks would seem mummbling to you it does not give citizenship to criminals of your ethnic fetish.
Another thing of note, why the mexican fetish? Your thread starts with cheap labor subsidized by taxpayers but as it is shown cheap labor is not as cheap as one is lead to believe it is being steered to non-union help and cheaper instead of cheap workers. Many nonmexicans of many ethnic backrounds work non-union jobs and peform them as well yet most of them came here legally, so why the mexy fetish?
Your ignorance once prevails. Where in my original post did it say anything about subsidized taxpayers.. blah blah blah. Your attempted hi-jacking to change this thread did not work.
CWatson