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quote:Originally posted by CWatson
Why the remarks would seem mummbling to you it does not give citizenship to criminals of your ethnic fetish.
Another thing of note, why the mexican fetish? Your thread starts with cheap labor subsidized by taxpayers but as it is shown cheap labor is not as cheap as one is lead to believe it is being steered to non-union help and cheaper instead of cheap workers. Many nonmexicans of many ethnic backrounds work non-union jobs and peform them as well yet most of them came here legally, so why the mexy fetish?
CWatson
Your ignorance once prevails. Where in my orginal post did it say anything about subsidized taxpayer.. blah blah blah. Your attempted hi-jacking to change this thread did not work.
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Originally posted by CWatson
Your ignorance once prevails. Where in my original post did it say anything about subsidized taxpayers.. blah blah blah. Your attempted hi-jacking to change this thread did not work.
As pointed out the only "cheap " labor is illegal but again as pointed out you would steer it into cheaper labor,which you are ignorant of. Still unable to refute facts?
There is only one fact I can think of now.. You are totally trying to hijack my thread for some unknown fantasy of yours.
So again who is going to pay the hospital bills of cheap labor? Who is going to pay their car insurance? The will not be able to pay it at their low wages so who? Legal drivers through unisured motorist and taxpayers, so they will be subsidized. Who pays the welfare benifits? Taxpayers will subsidize it.
He is a racist[:0]Oh no he is a hijacker, he carrys a bomb of truth[B)][B)][:X].Watch out the truth bomb may blow up and blind you with a flash of reality!What is there still no faaaacts to back up your statements? Nope ignorance is bliss, keep the truth away it may hurt his eyes guys!
You can not call them ILLEGAL aliens, so call them ILLEGAL immigrants,no just immigrants, no how about mis-fire name for them?CHEAP LABOR!!!
Sound likes the statements the border jumpers used when one points out they are ILLEGAL aliens and it has nothing to do with race.
So again who is going to pay the hospital bills of cheap labor? Who is going to pay their car insurance? The will not be able to pay it at their low wages so who? Legal drivers through unisured motorist and taxpayers, so they will be subsidized. Who pays the welfare benifits? Taxpayers will subsidize it.
Cheap and as cheap as you want it to sound.
CW
They will pay their own way or get themselves insurance like the rest of the labor force will. And don't you think for a NY minute THE low income worker doesn't pay taxes thru factories . They have the SAME rights for welfare, SS, blah blah blah as anyone else does.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
The original question is above.. If you can't stay on topic .. Get lost loser
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
The original question is above.. If you can't stay on topic .. Get lost loser
Was on topic but you fail to back up statemants with FACTS. With the lower wages they could not afford said insurances and we would have to subsidize them,which you can not understand or want to, facts upset you, whinning?
Again why the mex fetish[:X]? Why not any other or all ethnic groups that are non-union? Why mexicans? The only cheap ones are ILLEGAL and we would have to subsidize them!
Sounds like you are whinning because you can not refute any point in any of these posts without being in your own words, a loser!
quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
The mistake in your logic is the same quality could be performed by untrained, undereducated Mexican labor. In theory, higher wages are paid to journeyman because they are highly trained. Productivity of American employees are high. American employees do not perform meaningless labor. That part is done by robots or other forms of automation. The American worker is smart enough to repair and maintain that machine.
In third world countries, they attempt to compete by offering a surplus of uneducated labor. This is idea for labor intensive manufacturing that can easily be imported.
As long as the American employee at his higher wage can out perform the hord of Mexicans, HE KEEPS HIS JOB. Once the hord of illiterate or uneducated can do the job cheaper, the American employee losses his job and is forced to find a new job. Often times this new job is in manufacturing but a different industry.
I think you give the American worker a little too much credit.
That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant.
Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train - helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled workforce in Cambridge.
"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association, whose members will see increased business with the new plant.
Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.
"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.
In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.
Are you,heaven forbid, a politician? Worse a Dem? If one does not like the facts one must cry racism, change or ignore the facts and whine and shake ones finger then cry loser as pull up their pampers and cries fowl.
Simple facts bomb for you. It cost so much $$ to live in this country. If any group ethnic or otherwise works for a amount less than that someone has to pay the difference and it will be the hard working legal people in this country. As pointed out if said ethnic group is working and are legal, have insurance and health care ect.. they can not work CHEAP, the benefits will be payed by someone.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
CWatson, your making an * of of yourself on here...
So you are saying you still have no facts to refute the above information and examples?[;)] Crying and moaning is all you got? That is how you are going to prove that cheap labor is not subsidized by taxpayers? You can say rice ain't white all day and it will not make it true.
quote:Originally posted by CWatson
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
CWatson, your making an * of of yourself on here...
So you are saying you still have no facts to refute the above information and examples?[;)] Crying and moaning is all you got? That is how you are going to prove that cheap labor is not subsidized by taxpayers? You can say rice ain't white all day and it will not make it true.
CW
I repeat again, READ the original post. Are you actually this stupid?
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
Here is the post again,, Have someone read it to you.. Where in H is the Ignorant stuff you posted in it? Man you need to get a life.
What you fail to realize Selectfire is that these illegals are driving labor rates down across the board...to levels in which it is impossible for an American to support his family on. They do this by living 30-50 people in a house, in 3rd world conditions. This is not what America is about. Not only this, but they are driving American owned businesses out of business. No matter how hard you try, you cannot justify hiring these illegals. The ramifications of their presence in our country almost go beyond comprehension.
Selectfire...what you are failing to realize is that these damn illegals are causing labor rates to drop across the board...to levels where it's impossible for an American to support a family on. This is b/c 40-50 of them live in a house together in 3rd world conditions...not as Americans. They are driving American Companies out of business. There is nothing good about illegals...no matter how hard you try to justify using them.
Well that is where the rub will come in. The economy will absorb the new workers. Common sense only dictates when the business's start hiring them full tilt. Just watch... Low income workers will be in demand.High paid American will either work for less or do without. The times are a changing.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Well that is where the rub will come in. The economy will absorb the new workers. Common sense only dictates when the business's start hiring them full tilt. Just watch... Low income workers will be in demand.High paid American will either work for less or do without. The times are a changing.
...as long as it doesn't affect you, and your income...hugh???
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
Here is the post again,, Have someone read it to you.. Where in H is the Ignorant stuff you posted in it? Man you need to get a life.
So you are saying you still can not refute anything? I read the post and the posts that followed it as the thread evolved,and since your theory is dung you want to start from the begining again? Come on you can refute a tiny winny bit can't you? Lets face it you have some strange mexy fetish and that is all it is, that may make you sit all day in your kitchen floor thinking of huevos and chorizo and dream of Pancho Via, but even though you like the taste the rest of use will not let you force feed us your BS, or is that torro s*** south of the border?
So will your next big one liner be "lier lier pants on fire"?
CWatsonquote:Originally posted by select-fire
Well that is where the rub will come in. The economy will absorb the new workers. Common sense only dictates when the business's start hiring them full tilt. Just watch... Low income workers will be in demand.High paid American will either work for less or do without. The times are a changing.
So you say in English that you want to do away with the American middle class? So you want only a upper and lower class and you want it to start by taking advantage of poor dark skinned ILLEGAL immigrants? So sad [:(] and you called me a racist.
quote:Originally posted by ECC
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Well that is where the rub will come in. The economy will absorb the new workers. Common sense only dictates when the business's start hiring them full tilt. Just watch... Low income workers will be in demand.High paid American will either work for less or do without. The times are a changing.
...as long as it doesn't affect you, and your income...hugh???
ECC, it will affect everyone differently pending their jobs. Wife teaches and working on Phd. I am self employed with rental property. My income could go down a little but I am currently trying to buy an existing business. We have no bills and are not hurting. I would consider ourselves very fortunate good economy or bad. The economy will absorb these 12 million and continue.
quote:Originally posted by ECC
Selectfire...what you are failing to realize is that these damn illegals are causing labor rates to drop across the board...to levels where it's impossible for an American to support a family on. This is b/c 40-50 of them live in a house together in 3rd world conditions...not as Americans. They are driving American Companies out of business. There is nothing good about illegals...no matter how hard you try to justify using them.
I hear slum lords like packing two or three families in houses and apartments built for one!
You have a lot of nerve going out an investing your money and now sitting back and reaping the rewards. Self employment is the worst because now you can't blame the man or the fat cats for sticking it to you because you are the man! No bills and not hurting? For God's sake, try to struggle through life!
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Why the remarks would seem mummbling to you it does not give citizenship to criminals of your ethnic fetish.
Another thing of note, why the mexican fetish? Your thread starts with cheap labor subsidized by taxpayers but as it is shown cheap labor is not as cheap as one is lead to believe it is being steered to non-union help and cheaper instead of cheap workers. Many nonmexicans of many ethnic backrounds work non-union jobs and peform them as well yet most of them came here legally, so why the mexy fetish?
CWatson
Your ignorance once prevails. Where in my orginal post did it say anything about subsidized taxpayer.. blah blah blah. Your attempted hi-jacking to change this thread did not work.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Cheap and as cheap as you want it to sound.
CW
You can not call them ILLEGAL aliens, so call them ILLEGAL immigrants,no just immigrants, no how about mis-fire name for them?CHEAP LABOR!!!
Sound likes the statements the border jumpers used when one points out they are ILLEGAL aliens and it has nothing to do with race.
CW
So again who is going to pay the hospital bills of cheap labor? Who is going to pay their car insurance? The will not be able to pay it at their low wages so who? Legal drivers through unisured motorist and taxpayers, so they will be subsidized. Who pays the welfare benifits? Taxpayers will subsidize it.
Cheap and as cheap as you want it to sound.
CW
They will pay their own way or get themselves insurance like the rest of the labor force will. And don't you think for a NY minute THE low income worker doesn't pay taxes thru factories . They have the SAME rights for welfare, SS, blah blah blah as anyone else does.
Oh no he is a hijacker, he carrys a bomb of truth[B)][B)][:X].
Watch out the truth bomb may blow up and blind you with a flash of reality!
What is that still no faaaacts?
CW
Your a total loss just like your neighborhood
Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
The original question is above.. If you can't stay on topic .. Get lost loser
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
The original question is above.. If you can't stay on topic .. Get lost loser
Was on topic but you fail to back up statemants with FACTS. With the lower wages they could not afford said insurances and we would have to subsidize them,which you can not understand or want to, facts upset you, whinning?
Again why the mex fetish[:X]? Why not any other or all ethnic groups that are non-union? Why mexicans? The only cheap ones are ILLEGAL and we would have to subsidize them!
Sounds like you are whinning because you can not refute any point in any of these posts without being in your own words, a loser!
CW
The mistake in your logic is the same quality could be performed by untrained, undereducated Mexican labor. In theory, higher wages are paid to journeyman because they are highly trained. Productivity of American employees are high. American employees do not perform meaningless labor. That part is done by robots or other forms of automation. The American worker is smart enough to repair and maintain that machine.
In third world countries, they attempt to compete by offering a surplus of uneducated labor. This is idea for labor intensive manufacturing that can easily be imported.
As long as the American employee at his higher wage can out perform the hord of Mexicans, HE KEEPS HIS JOB. Once the hord of illiterate or uneducated can do the job cheaper, the American employee losses his job and is forced to find a new job. Often times this new job is in manufacturing but a different industry.
I think you give the American worker a little too much credit.
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/business/050630/b0630102.html
Ontario workers are well-trained.
That simple explanation was cited as a main reason why Toyota turned its back on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies offered from several American states in favour of building a second Ontario plant.
Industry experts say Ontarians are easier and cheaper to train - helping make it more cost-efficient to train workers when the new Woodstock plant opens in 2008, 40 kilometres away from its skilled workforce in Cambridge.
"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a Toyota plant before, is minimal compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association, whose members will see increased business with the new plant.
Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.
"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.
In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.
Simple facts bomb for you. It cost so much $$ to live in this country. If any group ethnic or otherwise works for a amount less than that someone has to pay the difference and it will be the hard working legal people in this country. As pointed out if said ethnic group is working and are legal, have insurance and health care ect.. they can not work CHEAP, the benefits will be payed by someone.
CW
CWatson, your making an * of of yourself on here...
So you are saying you still have no facts to refute the above information and examples?[;)] Crying and moaning is all you got? That is how you are going to prove that cheap labor is not subsidized by taxpayers? You can say rice ain't white all day and it will not make it true.
CW
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
CWatson, your making an * of of yourself on here...
So you are saying you still have no facts to refute the above information and examples?[;)] Crying and moaning is all you got? That is how you are going to prove that cheap labor is not subsidized by taxpayers? You can say rice ain't white all day and it will not make it true.
CW
I repeat again, READ the original post. Are you actually this stupid?
Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
Here is the post again,, Have someone read it to you.. Where in H is the Ignorant stuff you posted in it? Man you need to get a life.
Well that is where the rub will come in. The economy will absorb the new workers. Common sense only dictates when the business's start hiring them full tilt. Just watch... Low income workers will be in demand.High paid American will either work for less or do without. The times are a changing.
...as long as it doesn't affect you, and your income...hugh???
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Competition is what business compete for. Say General Motors, Ford, and Chysler ( the big 3 ) decided to hire and replace retiring employees with Mexicans. Labor Unions fold . Cars and Trucks are built for less with same quality from this labor. Would you buy an American built vehicle for 1/2 -3/4 of what they cost now? Or would you buy foreign ? Think carefully, your neighbor works in the steelyard , plastic company supplying parts for these new cars and trucks... Well what do you do?
Here is the post again,, Have someone read it to you.. Where in H is the Ignorant stuff you posted in it? Man you need to get a life.
So you are saying you still can not refute anything? I read the post and the posts that followed it as the thread evolved,and since your theory is dung you want to start from the begining again? Come on you can refute a tiny winny bit can't you? Lets face it you have some strange mexy fetish and that is all it is, that may make you sit all day in your kitchen floor thinking of huevos and chorizo and dream of Pancho Via, but even though you like the taste the rest of use will not let you force feed us your BS, or is that torro s*** south of the border?
So will your next big one liner be "lier lier pants on fire"?
CW
Well that is where the rub will come in. The economy will absorb the new workers. Common sense only dictates when the business's start hiring them full tilt. Just watch... Low income workers will be in demand.High paid American will either work for less or do without. The times are a changing.
So you say in English that you want to do away with the American middle class? So you want only a upper and lower class and you want it to start by taking advantage of poor dark skinned ILLEGAL immigrants? So sad [:(] and you called me a racist.
CW
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Well that is where the rub will come in. The economy will absorb the new workers. Common sense only dictates when the business's start hiring them full tilt. Just watch... Low income workers will be in demand.High paid American will either work for less or do without. The times are a changing.
...as long as it doesn't affect you, and your income...hugh???
ECC, it will affect everyone differently pending their jobs. Wife teaches and working on Phd. I am self employed with rental property. My income could go down a little but I am currently trying to buy an existing business. We have no bills and are not hurting. I would consider ourselves very fortunate good economy or bad. The economy will absorb these 12 million and continue.
Selectfire...what you are failing to realize is that these damn illegals are causing labor rates to drop across the board...to levels where it's impossible for an American to support a family on. This is b/c 40-50 of them live in a house together in 3rd world conditions...not as Americans. They are driving American Companies out of business. There is nothing good about illegals...no matter how hard you try to justify using them.
I hear slum lords like packing two or three families in houses and apartments built for one!
You have a lot of nerve going out an investing your money and now sitting back and reaping the rewards. Self employment is the worst because now you can't blame the man or the fat cats for sticking it to you because you are the man! No bills and not hurting? For God's sake, try to struggle through life!