In order to participate in the GunBroker Member forums, you must be logged in with your GunBroker.com account. Click the sign-in button at the top right of the forums page to get connected.
i will say again...if LF had a ffl come in the store and the person who handed it across the counter was the same person on the ffl, im sure LF wouldsell it.
but....if the ffl hands out ffls to good friends and customers to keep on hand while traveling, which is very common...and even i have one from my ffl for that reason, i can understand LF's concern to want to send it to the ffl address and not hand it across the counter.
have i done it? sure..some dealers dont care. is it a new world? sure it is...and there are less honest people out there. dealers must be leary. sad indeed.
reason i laugh is...a lot of ffl holders have kitchen tables for storefronts. even being leary and cautious can backfire.
Retired Naval Aviation
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
It cost my father over $350,000.00 just to defend himself against ATF mess. That may be why I don't play at all with anything that COULD lead to irregular sales.....I really don't know. It really messed our family up, especially my sister who was in her early teens during the 7 years when it all began. I blame the ATF for how she turned out.....my parents all but shut down mentally and did all they could to fight the charges. Its all fine now, but I live with a HUGE worry that someday they will come for me.....even though I am doing nothing wrong...as my father was.
Jimmy is....I think I will be in my PJs trying to play video games and eating leftovers.
Since the Iron Bowl is tomorrow we are not going to open. We NEVER sell anything during that football game......ROLL TIDE (we are gonna kick some tiger butt!)
Casey...it really does not matter to me how you run your business. I do not happen to agree with your policies and stance on this issue, but so be it.
I am curious about something though...Why would you sell on line (like here on GB) if you are so insistent about keeping things local and dealing with customers on a face to face, personal basis??? ...seems to me that you'd want to avoid internet sales as well.?.?
I really wanted to read all the way thru this but just couldn't. LF, I see where you are coming from. Nothing like repeat customers. Make someone happy and they will come back.
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
I think what Locust Fork is getting at and I will use a now shut down by the AFT local dealer as an example.
#1
Teton Sporting goods a crooked outfit contacts LF to purchase 100 pistols that are illegal in NY. Teton sends Jackleg Crackhead to her shop with an FFL to pick them up. The 100 pistols does not go to Teton in WV. Instead they are hauled to NY and sold on the street. They then are traced back to LF. Why? she has no proof as to where they went after they left her shop. How do the FEDs know that SHE was not the one whom hauled them to NY? By making it a policy to ship in store sales to out of state FFL's buyers her butt is covered.
#2
If she sold over the counter to me an FFL holder, say 100 long arms today for $50,000 lump sum. When will the next FFL holder be in the store to make such a purchase, Tomorrow, Next week and Year from now?
By building a good local customer base the income will not come in lump sums. But it is steady along with extra income from accessories, ammo and such that these guys come back looking for or need. Myself I would rather have 500 "regular" customers suppling me with say $2500 a month income than sale $50 grand worth today and not know when I will make another such sale. And I cant reply on Nunn coming into my shop every three or four months dropping $50 grand on my desk. But I can just about count on the 500 that has bought a gun from me this year coming back buying ammo and such as long as they know I am giving them a good deal and will treat them right.
If someone comes in my place with an FFL to buy something his or her name better be on the FFL.He has to prove to me with a photo I.D. like a drivers license that that FFL belongs to him and not someone else.Can't be any simpler than that.As long as you have that FFL and the guns are in your bound book you need not worry whether you butt is covered,it is.
A store is SOOOO much different than internet sales.
In the store I have to keep a HUGE mix of items.....most of the time when people come in looking for a certain thing they see something they didn't know existed and *BAM* I'm getting paid. This leads to them coming in more.....next thing you know they bring a buddy....they both tell me what they wished they could find....they bring trades in that OTHER people and their buddies are looking for. I have to keep thousands of dollars in extras in stock....Houge grips, cleaning kits, cases, sleeves, brushes, sight tools, solvents, oils, mounts and rings...not to mention scopes. To keep the "circle of life" going it has to be #1 in how I do things.
I could take every thing I have in the store and list it on line....but it would close my doors and then I'd be less interresting. I like to list things on line. I do get more money for the items I sell on line, but in order to keep the ball rolling I have to do it as a side business. I have thought of ways that I COULD do more on line sales....but so much of my time and energy goes to the store and I don't think I could spread myself any thinner.
Comments
The gun arrives...
I write down or type the info into my log books (less than 3 minutes)
Then...the person getting the gun does the 4473 and I log it out to them.
Its not hard...
but....if the ffl hands out ffls to good friends and customers to keep on hand while traveling, which is very common...and even i have one from my ffl for that reason, i can understand LF's concern to want to send it to the ffl address and not hand it across the counter.
have i done it? sure..some dealers dont care. is it a new world? sure it is...and there are less honest people out there. dealers must be leary. sad indeed.
reason i laugh is...a lot of ffl holders have kitchen tables for storefronts. even being leary and cautious can backfire.
Former Member U.S. Navy Shooting Team
Former NSSA All American
Navy Distinguished Pistol Shot
MO, CT, VA.
All a transfer is...
The gun arrives...
I write down or type the info into my log books (less than 3 minutes)
Then...the person getting the gun does the 4473 and I log it out to them.
Its not hard...
thats what i mean. but some of the sharks out there make it seem like a 5 hour in depth process.
Since the Iron Bowl is tomorrow we are not going to open. We NEVER sell anything during that football game......ROLL TIDE (we are gonna kick some tiger butt!)
I am curious about something though...Why would you sell on line (like here on GB) if you are so insistent about keeping things local and dealing with customers on a face to face, personal basis??? ...seems to me that you'd want to avoid internet sales as well.?.?
I think what Locust Fork is getting at and I will use a now shut down by the AFT local dealer as an example.
#1
Teton Sporting goods a crooked outfit contacts LF to purchase 100 pistols that are illegal in NY. Teton sends Jackleg Crackhead to her shop with an FFL to pick them up. The 100 pistols does not go to Teton in WV. Instead they are hauled to NY and sold on the street. They then are traced back to LF. Why? she has no proof as to where they went after they left her shop. How do the FEDs know that SHE was not the one whom hauled them to NY? By making it a policy to ship in store sales to out of state FFL's buyers her butt is covered.
#2
If she sold over the counter to me an FFL holder, say 100 long arms today for $50,000 lump sum. When will the next FFL holder be in the store to make such a purchase, Tomorrow, Next week and Year from now?
By building a good local customer base the income will not come in lump sums. But it is steady along with extra income from accessories, ammo and such that these guys come back looking for or need. Myself I would rather have 500 "regular" customers suppling me with say $2500 a month income than sale $50 grand worth today and not know when I will make another such sale. And I cant reply on Nunn coming into my shop every three or four months dropping $50 grand on my desk. But I can just about count on the 500 that has bought a gun from me this year coming back buying ammo and such as long as they know I am giving them a good deal and will treat them right.
If someone comes in my place with an FFL to buy something his or her name better be on the FFL.He has to prove to me with a photo I.D. like a drivers license that that FFL belongs to him and not someone else.Can't be any simpler than that.As long as you have that FFL and the guns are in your bound book you need not worry whether you butt is covered,it is.
In the store I have to keep a HUGE mix of items.....most of the time when people come in looking for a certain thing they see something they didn't know existed and *BAM* I'm getting paid. This leads to them coming in more.....next thing you know they bring a buddy....they both tell me what they wished they could find....they bring trades in that OTHER people and their buddies are looking for. I have to keep thousands of dollars in extras in stock....Houge grips, cleaning kits, cases, sleeves, brushes, sight tools, solvents, oils, mounts and rings...not to mention scopes. To keep the "circle of life" going it has to be #1 in how I do things.
I could take every thing I have in the store and list it on line....but it would close my doors and then I'd be less interresting. I like to list things on line. I do get more money for the items I sell on line, but in order to keep the ball rolling I have to do it as a side business. I have thought of ways that I COULD do more on line sales....but so much of my time and energy goes to the store and I don't think I could spread myself any thinner.
I can relate to that...even when both my wife and I are here full time, we don't seem to have enough time to get things done.
I may not agree with your stance on this issue, but I respect your right to do business as you please.