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Food Critic Question

CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
edited May 2006 in General Discussion
Seriously, we have all kinds of different ethnic food franchises. There is Chineese, Japaneese, Mexican, Italian, Korean, Greek, among others.

WHY IS THERE NO SOUL FOOD FRANCHISES. Seriously, why not restraunts that feature, or some would call it EXPLOIT, the best of the black, or afro-American, culture. There is more to it than four fried chicken white bread and a coke, (Blues Bros. joke).

I know some would call it stereotyping. I know some would call it it exploitation, but it's damn good food, excpet maybe the carp.
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  • Warpig883Warpig883 Member Posts: 6,459
    edited November -1
    maybe cause there is nothing good about the food
  • fugawefugawe Member Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is the Mexican Soul Food place, its called.......Nacho Momma's.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    In Clearwater Florida there is a very small resturant that has been there since the 30s,, called BIG TIMS , owned and operated by the same african american family since its inception, Tims Grand Daughter is now operating it, Specialty BBQ , the best in the state, They also offer SOUL food, There are only three tables in the place, as it is mostly take out. Around 4:00 Pm you cant find a place to park anywhere near the place..
  • mondmond Member Posts: 6,458
    edited November -1
    maybe its there selection of dishes, can a menu be writen, you need more than..chicken & rice..not saying its bad,or taking the pi88 ,but what else is there..[:D]
  • iwannausernameiwannausername Member Posts: 7,131
    edited November -1
    We've got the beginnings of a chain here - Junior's Soul Food. Have 2 resturants in town, they also just got our community college cafeteria contract (buh-bye Chartwells!)
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    .....Chicken, grits, greens, sweet-tater pie, ham an' beans, cobblers, catfish, fried green 'maters, poke salad, fried okra......Don't tell me there ain't any good soul food.
    ....."Mama Dip's Kitchen" in Chapel Hill NC oughta be a chain, but it wouldn't be the same.

    ....There's "Army and Lou's" in Chicago. You've gotta search out these little gems that wouldn't translate into the chain / fast food corporate plan.
  • gagirlgagirl Member Posts: 5,408
    edited November -1
    There are, you just dont go into those neighborhoods.[;)]
  • scottm21166scottm21166 Member Posts: 20,723
    edited November -1
    fried chicken and pecan pie...about as soulful as I need to get with my food....ja hear that LF? pecan pie!!!
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Can anyone say chitterlings (Yeah, it is pronounced Chit'lin's). Lots of them around but no chain that I have ever seen.
  • lazeruslazerus Member Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Because most of the people who make and eat soul food are lazy and prefer to sell crack and live off welfaire.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    There may be lots of different restaurants, take outs etc, but there isnt a GOOD chinese restaurant to be had here.....The food from any one so far is horrid......and pizza?...no good ones either...
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Here in Idaho Jerry Falwell has a chain of Christian-Chinese restaurants called Wokkin' With Jesus. I love the "He's our mein man" fish n' noodles special.
  • spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    My opinion on soul food (and, FWIW, I am a published food critic six times over right now) is that it usually consists of dumpster-diving and then cooking up what's found.

    Think about it. You're often eating stuff that most chefs toss out as waste. That's not to say that there aren't some good qualities about soul food, some of it is good, but obviously there's not a huge market demand for the stuff because most people aren't interested in eating it, otherwise someone would have gone ahead and started a chain.

    And, true enough, there's a lot that isn't waste -- but is simply food that doesn't have mass appeal. Fried okra basically tastes like whatever it is breaded in, because, for the most part, okra is a bit skimpy on taste. Catfish can be good, and is served in other types of restaurants, but often as a chef's special or a low-level menu item.

    Then you've got fatbacks, grits, tripe, collared greens, etc. -- stuff that would make most people nauseous.

    Soul food restaurants typically do well in extraordinarily localized venues. That's not the making of a chain restaurant with mass appeal.
  • CLINTFCLINTF Member Posts: 735 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    I can think of one Soul Food chain that I know extends from CA to TX.
    It's called Tommy Chans(I believe they're all drive thru only) and serves all the catfish, gizzards, chitlins, greens. etc., that a soul food eater would like.
  • MercuryMercury Member Posts: 7,840 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What do you think BBQ is? Obviously, you've never been a REAL southern bbq place. They have okra, black-eyed peas, etc.


    Merc
  • DancesWithSheepDancesWithSheep Member Posts: 12,938 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CLINTF
    It's called Tommy Chans(I believe they're all drive thru only) and serves all the catfish, gizzards, chitlins, greens. etc., that a soul food eater would like.

    They got chicken n' waffles?
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Then you've got fatbacks, grits, tripe, collared greens, etc. -- stuff that would make most people nauseous.

    Well well....food critic????in a pigs eye.......GRITS DO NOT MAKE MOST PEOPLE NAUSEOUS....Grits are great...
    Collared greens, as well as beet tops are great....dandelion salad is good too...and yes I have eaten all that...here and in Canada as well..
    A good food critic appreciates the different cultures, and different tastes....
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Then you've got fatbacks, grits, tripe, collared greens, etc. -- stuff that would make most people nauseous

    Are you nuts? Food critic my *.
  • spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    I like BBQ, but I don't consider it soul food. BBQ is considered BBQ.

    And, while some might like grits, many don't.
  • gagirlgagirl Member Posts: 5,408
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
    quote:Then you've got fatbacks, grits, tripe, collared greens, etc. -- stuff that would make most people nauseous.

    Well well....food critic????.....GRITS DO NOT MAKE MOST PEOPLE NAUSEOUS....Grits are great...

    A good food critic appreciates the different cultures, and different tastes....


    I Eat fatback, collards and grits regularly. You have not been to the south if you even remotely think that those things would make most people nauseous.

    I have tried tripe and it was "ok" but didnt like the texture myself.
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Nobody who knows anything 'bout food would refer to "fatbacks"...as in plural.
  • spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    Guys, again, just because you like it doesn't mean that it has mass appeal. There are ingredients that are good and that will have mass appeal. There are also ingredients that are good to you that wouldn't. In that case, a restaurant would do well locally with an accepting public.

    When you're looking at developing a chain restaurant, you've got to ensure that it will appeal to the general public, otherwise you're doomed to failure.

    And, when you are looking at financing, you have to make sure that it appeals to the guys with the money.
  • MVPMVP Member Posts: 23,453 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Would watermellon be on the desert menu?
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Right you are. I did state that the concept would not translate into the corporate plan very well. Don't mean that it ain't good eats though. And gagirl, tripe is one thing that I just can't get from plate to mouth.
    Should we start the whole "grits are great"----"grits are the food of Satan" debate again? [}:)][:D]
  • spanielsellsspanielsells Member Posts: 12,498
    edited November -1
    FWIW, the restaurant biz is one of the single most difficult businesses to become successful. More new restaurants fail in the first year than succeed, and from what I've read, very little of that has to do with the chef and most of it has to do with price, value and appeal to the masses.

    Of course, a chef CAN make or break a restaurant, but if you've ever wondered why horrid restaurants can stay in business year after year after year, it is because they're oftentimes offering value for the money and cuisine that appeals to large numbers of people.
  • tapwatertapwater Member Posts: 10,336 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I think that I read somewhere that the survival rate for new restaurants past the one year mark is less than 10%. From what I have seen locally, that seems about right.
  • Da-TankDa-Tank Member Posts: 3,718 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Go to NO ( I mean chocolate town) Theys got lots of soul food. Peanuts are soul food. Homoney, chicken,and Gator.
  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I don't know where you folks have been hanging out but there are soul-food restaurants all over this country, not a lot of franchises I'll admit, unless you want to consider Famous Amos.

    there used to be a great soul-food resaurant in Boston at the corner of Mass Ave and columbus Ave. It had a big red sign with black letters that said soul food and all the windows of the place were painted black. Not that i ever dared go into the place.

    Memphis and Atlanta got more soul food joints than you can shake an african tribal rattle at. Just follow the semll of ribs to the sign that says cornbread and turn left at the pinto beans.
  • iluvgunsiluvguns Member Posts: 5,351
    edited November -1
    When I lived in Memphis, there were "Soul Food" restaruants everywhere! And people flocked to them! Me too! Most of them were run by black families, and the food was absolutely awesome. They were always clean, service was always spot on, and the food was to die for. Of course, if you don't like fried okra, black-eyed peas, corn-bread, turnip greens, and ham hocks, you were just out of luck. Can't remember the name of it now, but right off the Memphis State campus is one such joint. You couldn't get in the place at lunch. They served an awesome plate lunch special for $3.99, drink included. And that drink was always iced tea so sweet it would send you into a hyperglycemic coma if you weren't careful! GOOD STUFF!
  • iluvgunsiluvguns Member Posts: 5,351
    edited November -1
    One more thought...I guess the closest thing to a soul food franchise would have to be Cracker Barrell or maybe Po Boys. I am guessing Po Boys is still around. Nothing but good old southern cooking. And in Cracker Barrel you can still order a bowl of pintos and ham hocks! Or a bowl of greens and cornbread. I do it all the time!
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    I make pintos and hamhocks...one of Classic's favs...and cornbread...so if that is soul food, then I am guilty of liking it and of cooking it... I love turnip greens and also beet tops so I guess everything except for the grits, biscuits & gravy, chittlings, and a couple of other minor things, is readily cooked and served in Canada as well as almost anywhere in the states....
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Cracker Barrel gots no soul.
  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    Cracker Barrel gots no soul.


    Cracker barrel would be good down home cooking, but it would not be called soul. The place actually sold more crakers than anything else at one time.

    I interviewed the founder of Cracker Barrel once and he told me he started selling food as a way to sell more gas. After a couple years he stopped selling gas and only sold food.

    There is a sandwich on the menu called "uncle henrys favorite" or something like that. It's based on a real uncle named Henry who made the first sandwiches sold from the gas station.
  • mowartmowart Member Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I remember when ribs were cheap soul food. Then the whites found out and look at the price now.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    ....... CHITERLINGS
    as good going in as it was going out



















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  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There is a franchise called Churches Fried Chicken in NY, Boston, Phila. etc. that serves pseudo-soul-food side dishes like collared greens, corn bread, pinto beans etc. It's really more like a KFC for minority folks cause KFC wont go into some neighborhoods but you can find Churches in Roxbery, The Bronx etc.
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 51,593 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:IMHO the father one goes away from NYC, the worse the Italian and Chinese food gets.

    I assume that is faRther? That is not correct, but if you think you will find great Chinese in any city under a million, you will be wrong.
  • 1911a1-fan1911a1-fan Member Posts: 51,193 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by hughbetcha
    There is a franchise called Churches Fried Chicken in NY, Boston, Phila. etc. that serves pseudo-soul-food side dishes like collared greens, corn bread, pinto beans etc. It's really more like a KFC for minority folks cause KFC wont go into some neighborhoods but you can find Churches in Roxbery, The Bronx etc.


    they are also in southern IL., and most of Missouri, not bad chicken if you just get the chicken and a regular side with biscuits

    just the sighting if a sign that says "TRIPE SANDWICH" makes me ill, them and Chinese food are all over the hoods


    i do have to say i have stopped twice for some soul food ribs, and both times turned away, and will never go back due to some very unsanitary conditions i witnessed at both places, i have also seen some of their road side bbq's with raw meat sitting out in the sun unwrapped and unprotected, no thanks
  • LaidbackDanLaidbackDan Member Posts: 13,142 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I honestly thought "Popeye's chicken" was a Soul food franchise.
    They serve Okra, Red beans and rice, and a few other southern delicacies besides chicken and they were always in a predominately black neighborhoods (West coast anyways).
  • hughbetchahughbetcha Member Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by LaidbackDan
    I honestly thought "Popeye's chicken" was a Soul food franchise.
    They serve Okra, Red beans and rice, and a few other southern delicacies besides chicken and they were always in a predominately black neighborhoods (West coast anyways).
    Yep, Popeyes is the Churches of the West coast. Last time i was forced into one was in Anaheim, just outside disneyland, it was the only place open outside our motel and i had just driven from San Jose with wife and child and they wanted to eat. I went in, waited for about 10 minutes before somone came to the counter, turned around and walked out. My wife asked why I hadnt oredered. I asked her to go into the the place. She waited ten minutes before someone waited on her and just like I told her, it was the skankiest looking chicken-fried wench you'd ever seen. I would eat in sight of this person, let alone eat anything they touched.
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