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Is It Really That Bad?
p3skyking
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Talking with the owners and a few customers at the local gunshop today.They all seem convinced that very shortly all hell is about to break loose in Isreal,Europe,and the US.They seem convinced that shortly the ecomony will completely collapse and things will never be the same.I know things are not good but,is this type of pessimism called for.Should i just shoot myself now?[:(]
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You have an otherwise pleasurable act being forcibly committed. While not to minimize the impact on the victim, is it worse than simple assault? Would being beat with a 2X4 do more damage?
In the days before medical science could prevent pregnancy, I suppose having your woman knocked up and illigimate offspring running around would screw up the kings lineage.
Today however, that is not the case. I personally think anyone that has to rape someone is sorely lacking in social skills because it's easier to get laid than type out this thread.
My question is, if you can step back from the human emotional conflicts for a moment and examine it from a rational level, is it more of a crime than getting your house broken into or the aforementioned assault with intent to inflict harm?
This is about adult, sane(?) women, not kids or handicapped people who fall into a different catagory to me.
I realize this isn't PC to even discuss or trivalize rape in this manner, but it just seems like an unequal law when attempted murder gets less time. I expect to hear rants from people who have been raped or their wife has been raped saying how horrible it is, but I hope they can step back for a moment and actually examine the whole picture.
let me add as long as SHES good looking and goes easy on me [}:)][:D][:D][:D]
Watch "Deliverance", then tell me how much YOU think YOU will enjoy being raped. If you think it's pleasurable, you got some serious problems, and if you don't think it's that bad of a crime, let us know how you feel after it happens to your Mother.
You got a pretty mouth p3skyking.... kneel down and pray... now squeal...squeal like a pig!!!! At least you aint being killed.. Now squeal boy! squeal! least you don't have to worry about gettin pregnant... Now squeal boy! Squeal!
Rape is a different crime the effects and the impact can be lifelong.. I think the degree of mental anguish depends on how the victim learns to deal with the assault. it is not for me to say but I would not want to close my eyes and relive the nightmare of some freak repeatedly violating me while I was helpless to stop them. I cannot get inside their head or control their feelings. for someone to forceibly take what could be bought on any street corner shows a deep inner sickness and not about sex. . Rape is rarely commited by one timers it is a crime against all society that cannot go unpunished and should be delt with harshly.
My first wife was supposedly sooo traumatized by what "she" called rape, and after many years of marriage I finally got her to talk about it some. I turns out it was a repeat offense from a brother in law, and in her words "well, he told me if I didn't he would kill his-self". I'm sorry but this is NOT rape.
Watch "Deliverance", then tell me how much YOU think YOU will enjoy being raped.
Let me strum a few notes of that fer you - ya can hum along if'n ya like!
quote:goldslammer :
Watch "Deliverance", then tell me how much YOU think YOU will enjoy being raped.
Let me strum a few notes of that fer you - ya can hum along if'n ya like!
You got a pretty mouth too zipper...
Some victims overcome the assault and live normal lives. Many however deal with issues for many years and even for the rest of their lives in some situations.
Rapist should face the death penalty...if in fact a true violent rape has happened and it's not a questionable "date rape" case. It is far worse than assault and violates the very being of a woman. I'm a Christian, so I'm going to have a slightly different take on sex than some of you, but sex is not just a physical act. It has supernatural properties and ramifications. The Word says that when you have sex with someone, that the two become one flesh (or one being). This is a supernatural situation and goes beyond our limited human comprehension. In speaking of sex, the Word also goes on to say that sexual sins are different than other sins, b/c they are sins against your own physical body. It is the ONLY sin that is seperated from grouping the rest of sin together in one group. It is the only sin that the Word holds to a different account. Rapist should be killed...period.
The nuns told me that when you sin against your own body, you make baby Jesus puke!!!
It is not as bad as murder.
To say that rape is not about sex is to repeat absurd feminist dogma.
It is like saying that bank robbery is not about money.
'You have an otherwise pleasurable act being forcibly committed'. What part of this did you not read? Pal, if you don't think sex is pleasurable, you have a much bigger problem than me.
"You got a pretty mouth p3skyking....
You got a pretty mouth too zipper"
My post was about male/female rape. Is there something in your lifestyle you feel the need to explore?
"This is a supernatural situation and goes beyond our limited human comprehension"
Since I'm asking about man's criminal justice system, can we confine our discussion to that? What is the basis for such harsh penalties when seemingly more deadly encounters garner less.
"Rape is not about "getting laid". It is about forcing one's power over another".
And your point is...? Strong armed robbery fits that definition also doesn't it?
Everyone is batting all over the field about what should be done to rapist without addressing the why. Lifelong trama for the victim? Would that be worse than having a SWAT team foul up the address and kick down your door with guns pointed at you and hold you in handcuffs for three hours? In your own home? Farfetched? It's happened.
Can someone crystalize the "WHY"?
"If you think it's pleasurable, you got some serious problems"
'You have an otherwise pleasurable act being forcibly committed'. What part of this did you not read? Pal, if you don't think sex is pleasurable, you have a much bigger problem than me.
Read my whole post, don't edit it out of context.
If you don't understand my post , just ask, maybe I can help you understand it
As a grown woman, albeit a 5 foot 2 inch, buck and a dime weighing, I object to you lumping us into the category of "children and handicapped individuals." Firearms and weapons aside, how big and aggressive does a man have to be to overpower me?
Certainly, you can put a gun to a woman or child's head and do more damage physically, heck, they're dead, they don't have to deal with it anymore.
It's about vulnerability, and the rapists need to take advantage of those in a weaker position, whether it's physically or emotionally.
Consider an armed robber take advantage of an unarmed victim.
He's taking advantage o someone in a weaker position (unarmed and unaware). Sex doesn't need to be involved to make you feel powerless.
Being on average physically smaller then men means nothing. When it comes to violent crimes committed, the attacker (almost)always has the advantage(you can thank gun laws for that, with the exception of CCW's, in which case the attacker gets what he deserves then and there).
It just makes you an easier target for a crime, I dont see it making the crime any worse.
How many rapists do you know? have you thought about it yourself?
Then how do you know whats going on inside their heads when you make the statement:
"Rape is not about 'getting laid'. It is about forcing one's power over another."
"it's easier to get laid than type out this thread."
--- I wish I had your skills with women
then there is the whole STD part of it.
I would argue its not about "control" or any of that other femenist BS trying to paint all males as wanting to enslave females or whatnot.
When you are a criminal and you want money, you might go rob someone and take it from them.
When you are a criminal and want to "get laid", you might go rape someone and make take it from them.
If it was about control.... well I think that would be more applicable to long term kidnappings(where ransom is not involved).
Its still a really bad crime. I would put forcible rape up there with aggravated assault/ assault with a deadly weapon, but not up there with murder(unless a STD such as AIDs is communicated).
Rape in other cases, like where the girl is drunk and making stupid decisions, I think are BS. When you drive drunk, you are held responsible for your actions, when you drink, you are accepting the risks you are going to make stupid decisions.
If you are a whoar when you get drunk, dont get drunk. If the guy is drunk too, why is he held responsible for his actions when hes drunk but the girl isn't?
However... ifthey are unconcious passed out.. thats another story.
Then there are the "her mouth said no but her body said yes" cases.
They remind me of some cases of illegal drug use I have seen.
One party says no, i dont wanna smoke that. He is then handed the pipe, he says "get it away", they continue to hold it in front of him, then he says "aww f*ck it", then grabs it and lights up.
A girl may say "no, stop, we shouldnt be doing this", but like the guy and the potheads, lacks to willpower to actually do what she knows is right over what she wants to do.
Then there is statuatory rape, an 18 year old with a 17 year old that says shes 18..... I find it hard to villify a person for doing something they didnt know was wrong.
People want to try 16 year olds as adults for murder, but a 16 year old and an 18 year old is a crime? because the 16 year old is not an adult? Not all people become mentally/physically mature at 18. Its a fact girls mature faster than guys, I know one girl who at 16 was a freshman in college, very well developed, a real looker, and was way more mature than many 18 year old freshmen. Luckily she was brought up right, but im just saying, if she did anything(willingly), I wouldnt have viewed it as a crime
No offense, but I feel that you are asking from a relative perspective of power. As stated before, unless you have been there, you have little perspective.
As a grown woman, albeit a 5 foot 2 inch, buck and a dime weighing, I object to you lumping us into the category of "children and handicapped individuals."
"This is about adult, sane(?) women, not kids or handicapped people who fall into a different catagory to me".
Thank you for your prespective, but I don't know what you are objecting to. I can't write it any more plain. Are you handicapped and object to being in the same catagory with children? I consider those two groups the ones who are lest prepared to resist.
Its still a really bad crime. I would put forcible rape up there with aggravated assault/ assault with a deadly weapon, but not up there with murder(unless a STD such as AIDs is communicated).
CA
Excellent and concise post. I wholeheartedly agree with your paragraph above. It is interesting to hear how others all over the country view topics and I appreciate everyone's imput.
The Supreme Court decided on 29 June 1977 in a 7 to 2 decision that the death penalty is unconstitutional in rape cases because "the sentence of death for the crime of rape is grossly disproportionate and excessive punishment, and is therefore forbidden by the constitution as cruel and unusual punishment."
Justices Burger & Rehnquist decented. I think Misters Burger and Rehnquist were right.
If you have any sharpe objects nearby...call for help before something just terrible happens.
We are here for you, if you need help with things like "twist the cap COUNTER clockwise to open the jelly" and "the fun to smell markers aren't good for you"....but we can't help you if you want to be critical of a rape victim and defend a criminal act. Now, go rub your nose in a puddle and think about what you did!!! Bad Boy...or some would say..."idoit"..which is a typo I made a while back, but seems to have made its own place here.
Almost all rapists were abused as children. many have a very hateful relationship with their mothers and usually don't have their real dad
many teachers, police officers and priests have commited rape (all positions of authority) no.. its a hate crime. a crime of dominance
In today's world there are several kinds of rape, not to mention some false claims of rape. In the case of a legitimate rape, I'd be willing to kill a man to stop him raping a woman. If I'm willing to kill a man to stop him doing something, it follows that I think death would be the appropriate punishment after he has done it.
The Supreme Court decided on 29 June 1977 in a 7 to 2 decision that the death penalty is unconstitutional in rape cases because "the sentence of death for the crime of rape is grossly disproportionate and excessive punishment, and is therefore forbidden by the constitution as cruel and unusual punishment."
Justices Burger & Rehnquist decented. I think Misters Burger and Rehnquist were right.
James,
Thanks. I wasn't aware the Supremes had ever made that ruling. I'm afraid we disagree on it too, but that's okay.
As far as killing a rapist, I would have no problem doing that DURING the commission either, HOWEVER, it would not be simply for the act of sexual intercourse, it would be for the unknown and unpredictable actions not yet committed. Perhaps great * harm leading to murder would be the ultimate outcome.
Putting it another way, If a car thief sold my Porche (no, I don't have one), I would not be that concerned that s/he spooled it up to 160 mph on the freeway. It's made for that. I would be mighty pissed if s/he wrecked it. IF the car is returned intact and functional, that would hardly justify shooting the thief after the fact. If I caught the thief stealing it, or if the thief wrecked it would be the only times I'd shoot figuratively speaking.
quote:This is about adult, sane(?) women
One can plainly see what you think of women by the above statements and also understand why you would trivalize rape....
You have compared the act of rape to having your house broken into or your car stolen, in other words no big deal unless its wrecked..
Perhaps you better step back and rethink your stance...Go talk to someone who deals with rape victims every day, talk to women who have been raped and see if they can possibly compare it to having their car stolen....
From reading your post, one can almost say that in your mind you are trying to justify the act of rape,...
Thinking that way, there is no way you will ever understand ...
Burglary victims would often say to me that they felt like they had been "raped" because some jerk had entered their home and plundered it. They could fix the broken door jam or window, buy a new gun or camera but would never again feel their home was safe.
Rape victims (usually left living---but not always) were treated by the doctors/hospitals for their physical wounds and referred to sexual assault counselors for the mental wounds. They could never again feel confident for their personal safety----always thinking they could again be brutally attacked. They will always live in fear of that reality.
If the suspect was arrested the Jurors and all the others who sit in the courtroom hear all the gory details as the victim tells all and is cross examined "grilled" by the defense attorney. You can see the anguish on the face of the victim as the defense attorney tries to make "their client", the victim. The real victim is figuratively "Raped" again.
Yes, it is "Really That Bad". Most people don't understand the Victim's perspective until they become the "Victim". Then and only then it becomes crystal clear.
I guess that would be kind of like if a guy stole your Porshe, wound it up to 160, but brought it home in one piece.. and then took a crap in the drivers seat. No real harm done, but it would give you something to think about every time you took the car for a ride.
quote:your woman knocked up and illigimate offspring running around would screw up the kings lineage.
quote:This is about adult, sane(?) women
One can plainly see what you think of women by the above statements and also understand why you would trivalize rape....
You have compared the act of rape to having your house broken into or your car stolen, in other words no big deal unless its wrecked..
Perhaps you better step back and rethink your stance...Go talk to someone who deals with rape victims every day, talk to women who have been raped and see if they can possibly compare it to having their car stolen....
From reading your post, one can almost say that in your mind you are trying to justify the act of rape,...
Thinking that way, there is no way you will ever understand ...
BR,
I have talked to rape victims. They didn't like it. Rape is not what I'm trying to justify. Forcible intercourse been going on since the spark of life began on this planet in every species. What I'm trying to justify and can't is the inordinate penalties associated with it.
Hugh,
You really seem to have a fixation with queers. Were you buggered once? Or twice?
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
quote:your woman knocked up and illigimate offspring running around would screw up the kings lineage.
quote:This is about adult, sane(?) women
One can plainly see what you think of women by the above statements and also understand why you would trivalize rape....
You have compared the act of rape to having your house broken into or your car stolen, in other words no big deal unless its wrecked..
Perhaps you better step back and rethink your stance...Go talk to someone who deals with rape victims every day, talk to women who have been raped and see if they can possibly compare it to having their car stolen....
From reading your post, one can almost say that in your mind you are trying to justify the act of rape,...
Thinking that way, there is no way you will ever understand ...
BR,
I have talked to rape victims. They didn't like it. Rape is not what I'm trying to justify. Forcible intercourse been going on since the spark of life began on this planet in every species. What I'm trying to justify and can't is the inordinate penalties associated with it.
Hugh,
You really seem to have a fixation with queers. Were you buggered once? Or twice?
P3, Queers? When I was writing about you getting cornholed by the toothless hillbilly I was assuming the hillbilly was the only one who was queer. In future when I write about you getting cornholed by a toothless hillbilly I'll be sure to make it clear that both those involved are queer.
I have nothing againast you and i'm really just trying to get my point across in a humerous . Clearly you do not understand what rape is about and i really doubt you've spoken with many rape victims.
I can understand how you might feel murder, or attmepted murder is worse than rape, but that is not a perspective that shows any understanding for the victim.
When someone is murdered, their suffering is over. I might even argue that their family might suffer more than the victim. When someone is raped the incident often follows them for life, disrupting their relationships with others, causing unending fear and anxiety about their personal safety.
Your use of the stolen car as an example of your position shows you do not understand the perspective of someone who goes on living but still suffers. I could argue the collateral damage from rape far exceeds the physical damage.
No, I've never been cornholed or buggered by anybody but i saw that scene in Deliverance at the drive in when I was 16 and I can tell you it scared the hell out me then and it still bothers me to think about it and that was 30 years ago. I read an interview with ned Beatty a few years back and he said he had nightmares and went into counseling after he shot the scene and it still gives him nightmares.
I can only imagine the psychological damage of a real attack such as the one depicted in the movie and I think it wouldnt hurt you to watch the movie yourself if you want to learn more about rape.
Please accept my apologies if my answers to your question have offended you.
I took no personal offence, I was more concerned with off topic post. Homo rape goes against natural law and utilizes an orifice designed for one way transport only.
As far as talking to rape victims, I have been married to two women that were raped. One at 13 and the other at 32. It didn't destroy them or hurt their sex drives in the least. A number of other women have talked to me about their rape and they tell me they wish it had never happened, but they get along fine. Perhaps most women I attract are type A's?
However, some dyke girls tell me in thinly veiled reasons why they are gay is because of their rape. They want to be the ones in power with strap on's and the like.
As far as DELIVERANCE, I saw it. The one that scared the hell outta me was the old THE HILLS HAVE EYES. Whenever I cross the desert, I ALWAYS pack at least one rifle and handgun. I hope you have more sense than to pack a stupid bow and arrow in hillbilly country!
It's been said that what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. My shop was broken into once and I felt raped. I fortified it and moved in behind it. I let thugs know in no uncertain terms if I catch them trying to break in, god have mercy on their soul because I don't have to take prisioners. It's never happened again so please, no one tell me I don't know what it feels like to be raped.
Now explain to me again why you feel death is preferable to rape.
Hugh,
I took no personal offence, I was more concerned with off topic post. Homo rape goes against natural law and utilizes an orifice designed for one way transport only.
As far as talking to rape victims, I have been married to two women that were raped. One at 13 and the other at 32. It didn't destroy them or hurt their sex drives in the least. A number of other women have talked to me about their rape and they tell me they wish it had never happened, but they get along fine. Perhaps most women I attract are type A's?
However, some dyke girls tell me in thinly veiled reasons why they are gay is because of their rape. They want to be the ones in power with strap on's and the like.
As far as DELIVERANCE, I saw it. The one that scared the hell outta me was the old THE HILLS HAVE EYES. Whenever I cross the desert, I ALWAYS pack at least one rifle and handgun. I hope you have more sense than to pack a stupid bow and arrow in hillbilly country!
It's been said that what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. My shop was broken into once and I felt raped. I fortified it and moved in behind it. I let thugs know in no uncertain terms if I catch them trying to break in, god have mercy on their soul because I don't have to take prisioners. It's never happened again so please, no one tell me I don't know what it feels like to be raped.
Now explain to me again why you feel death is preferable to rape.
I was married (my ex) to a woman that was raped as a child, and it screwed her up royally. God love her, but she had some serious problems. The person that did that to her should be executed...and if I ever run into him, it just may happen.