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quote:Originally posted by ECC
Rapist should face the death penalty...if in fact a true violent rape has happened and it's not a questionable "date rape" case. It is far worse than assault and violates the very being of a woman. I'm a Christian, so I'm going to have a slightly different take on sex than some of you, but sex is not just a physical act. It has supernatural properties and ramifications. The Word says that when you have sex with someone, that the two become one flesh (or one being). This is a supernatural situation and goes beyond our limited human comprehension. In speaking of sex, the Word also goes on to say that sexual sins are different than other sins, b/c they are sins against your own physical body. It is the ONLY sin that is seperated from grouping the rest of sin together in one group. It is the only sin that the Word holds to a different account. Rapist should be killed...period.
Originally posted by ECC
Rapist should face the death penalty...if in fact a true violent rape has happened and it's not a questionable "date rape" case. It is far worse than assault and violates the very being of a woman. I'm a Christian, so I'm going to have a slightly different take on sex than some of you, but sex is not just a physical act. It has supernatural properties and ramifications. The Word says that when you have sex with someone, that the two become one flesh (or one being). This is a supernatural situation and goes beyond our limited human comprehension. In speaking of sex, the Word also goes on to say that sexual sins are different than other sins, b/c they are sins against your own physical body. It is the ONLY sin that is seperated from grouping the rest of sin together in one group. It is the only sin that the Word holds to a different account. Rapist should be killed...period.
The more I read from "good god fearing religious folk", the more I'm convinced to lay down my life to keep to keep the blight of theocracy from ever taking control of America like it did in Iran and Afganistan. Reason and logic seem to matter little with this bloodthristy bunch.
A statewide poll in the Mobile Press said our current governor, Bob Reily, was leading Roy Moore 67% to 31% going into the June primary. I thank god rational thought seems to have come to Alabama voters. [:)][:D][:)]
I really think that to make the statement..."I felt raped"....is a mistake when comparing any other crime...more true would be...."I felt violated"....nothing is the same and to give descriptions of other crimes using these terms just lessens the idea of rape.
A rape victim never makes the statement that they feel like someone came into their homes and stole their posessions....it can't be compared and shouldn't be.
Anyone who is a rapist needs to go....die....this is the answer to us not dealing with them and the sick minds they have. These people aren't cured...most upscale the crimes they commit...until they have eventually done something that everyone agrees is too bad to let them participate in our society.
I wouldn't give a second thought to defending myself if someone attempted to harm my family or myself...and to me a rapist is an "un-fixable" person who is going to do this horrible crime again...they need to die...just as we lock our doors and have alarm systems to prevent stealing....a rapist is uncurable and that means only one thing to me....rather than being able to walk around waiting for the next vicitm....they are treated like the fowl things they are and we shouldn't have to worry about them EVER again once they have proven they are "un-fixable."
It isn't uncommon for women, especially those who were violated when young, to become "hyper sexualized" as adults. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always surmised that this had something to do with learning when young to feel that they are defined by their sexuality, that due to thier trauma, they come to recognize themselves as sexual objects above all else, rather than their intelligence, athletic ability, or other facets of their personality, which is quite convenient for the man in their lives.
Exactly what do you mean by "Type A"? Are you saying that if a woman doesn't just have the ability to slough it off immediately like a bad day at work, she's a head case, or if she hold a grudge, a lesbian-in-waiting?
Someone steals your car,, your insurance pays for it, you feel violated, yes.. permantley scarred NO! How does a raped woman get over the degredation and humiliation? you dont have a Clue and neither do I. There are few crimes more degrading than rape. How can you even think to compare it to being robbed or begin to think how a person who has been raped will react? Forceable Rape is an EVIL crime whether commited on a child, or a grown person and should be dealt with with extreme punishment..[:0]
quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
It isn't uncommon for women, especially those who were violated when young, to become "hyper sexualized" as adults. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always surmised that this had something to do with learning when young to feel that they are defined by their sexuality, that due to thier trauma, they come to recognize themselves as sexual objects above all else, rather than their intelligence, athletic ability, or other facets of their personality, which is quite convenient for the man in their lives.
Exactly what do you mean by "Type A"? Are you saying that if a woman doesn't just have the ability to slough it off immediately like a bad day at work, she's a head case, or if she hold a grudge, a lesbian-in-waiting?
There is a lot of good thought in your post. Some I believe myself even though I've never seen anything to prove it, only ancedotal evidence. There are Type A women just like there are men. To say everyone has the same abilities and qualities is to buy into 20th century horsecrap.
You have the 911 callers and you have the one's that don't call 911. I am one of the latter and yes, frankly, a woman that can dust herself off, go *, and be ready to kick * the next day is better than one that can't. Are you saying their not?
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
It isn't uncommon for women, especially those who were violated when young, to become "hyper sexualized" as adults. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always surmised that this had something to do with learning when young to feel that they are defined by their sexuality, that due to thier trauma, they come to recognize themselves as sexual objects above all else, rather than their intelligence, athletic ability, or other facets of their personality, which is quite convenient for the man in their lives.
Exactly what do you mean by "Type A"? Are you saying that if a woman doesn't just have the ability to slough it off immediately like a bad day at work, she's a head case, or if she hold a grudge, a lesbian-in-waiting?
There is a lot of good thought in your post. Some I believe myself even though I've never seen anything to prove it, only ancedotal evidence. There are Type A women just like there are men. To say everyone has the same abilities and qualities is to buy into 20th century horsecrap.
You have the 911 callers and you have the one's that don't call 911. I am one of the latter and yes, frankly, a woman that can dust herself off, go *, and be ready to kick * the next day is better than one that can't. Are you saying their not?
THERE! THE ULTIMATE NON-PC POST OF THE WORLD!
I'm sorry, but this line of thinking makes me sick. I truly hope you never experience anything as painful and humiliating as rape...I really cannot understand where your line of thinking comes from.
wow, gee...one minute, I'm sitting in my home, watching tv, the next minute, I have a knife to my throat and I'm being threatened to perform....Wow, that was a sucky evening, guess I'll just * and go to work tomorrow.....
Or I'm on a date, perhaps a bit intoxicated, and my date says "Sleep it off in my spare bedroom", and I wake up to find him inside me. Wow, what a buzz kill.....guess I shouldn't have put myself in such a vulnerable position.... I'll just * and go to work tomorrow...la..daa...daaa...
Like I said before, you have a relative position of power, have never been there, so don't know.
I'm not going to argue you about this.
Come work with me at the DV shelter, then we'll talk.....
quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
wow, gee...one minute, I'm sitting in my home, watching tv, the next minute, I have a knife to my throat and I'm being threatened to perform....Wow, that was a sucky evening, guess I'll just * and go to work tomorrow.....
Or I'm on a date, perhaps a bit intoxicated, and my date says "Sleep it off in my spare bedroom", and I wake up to find him inside me. Wow, what a buzz kill.....guess I shouldn't have put myself in such a vulnerable position.... I'll just * and go to work tomorrow...la..daa...daaa...
Like I said before, you have a relative position of power, have never been there, so don't know.
I'm not going to argue you about this.
Come work with me at the DV shelter, then we'll talk.....
This line comes from the original post:
My question is, if you can step back from the human emotional conflicts for a moment and examine it from a rational level, is it more of a crime than getting your house broken into or the aforementioned assault with intent to inflict harm?
If you are a social worker, perhaps you are not able to step back. I notice that you did not disagree with my statement though. We haven't had a war in the US in a hundred and forty years. Not all American women can be as tough as Scarlett O'Hara.
Eric, my thinking comes from the teachings of Socretes and Plato. Where does yours come from?
It is probably akin to being spiritually or psychologically murdered.
No doubt one is never the same person again after an experience like that. While it may seem to be similar for similar other circumstances, I don't think that it is hard to see how the experiencer may feel worse than murdered in the sense that they cannot ever really wake up from the nightmare, nor suffer the complete death that an actual murder may bring.
Okay... on an elemenary level....a rapist is someone who intends to inflict harm...
I would much rather have someone break into my home, quite frankly, than, violte my sense of personal security.
There is no way that you can equate a house break-in to being voilated in body. Houses come and go. A body is all you have.... one body....
Bottom line is, rapists are predators, just like child molestors, looking for someone in a weaker position that they can take advantage of.
Are you defending them?
I'm NOT a female, never been raped, either, so I can ONLY IMAGINE what being forcibly raped equates to as a life experience, BUT...........
My sister-in-law had her * BIT OFF, during a rape.........wanna know what THAT did to her?!?!?! I didn't think so!!!
I had a female friend who was a victim of incest/rape, knew her quite well, despite the fact we were only 14-17 during the time of our relationship. Wanna know what THAT did to HER?!?!?!
I also know two other women who have been "attacked" but were able to prevent the "physical act" of sex. I must say they both "handled" their experiences with astonishing resilience (for lack of a better word!)
As you can see, I'm NOT talking about statutory rape here, or "concensual" sex between two kids on the back seat of daddy's car. I personally consider forcible rape "on par" with Murder!
I thought I'd share that with those of you who REALLY have to ask, "Is it REALLY that bad?"
quote:Originally posted by wanted man
Is It Really That Bad?
I'm NOT a female, never been raped, either, so I can ONLY IMAGINE what being forcibly raped equates to as a life experience, BUT...........
My sister-in-law had her * BIT OFF, during a rape.........wanna know what THAT did to her?!?!?! I didn't think so!!!
I had a female friend who was a victim of incest/rape, knew her quite well, despite the fact we were only 14-17 during the time of our relationship. Wanna know what THAT did to HER?!?!?!
I also know two other women who have been "attacked" but were able to prevent the "physical act" of sex. I must say they both "handled" their experiences with astonishing resilience (for lack of a better word!)
As you can see, I'm NOT talking about statutory rape here, or "concensual" sex between two kids on the back seat of daddy's car. I personally consider forcible rape "on par" with Murder!
I thought I'd share that with those of you who REALLY have to ask, "Is it REALLY that bad?"
Rape is impossible among a certain type of mentality...After all, "No"
is merely foreplay to them.
Forcing a woman is just part of being a man...after all, what does a woman know ? The sex act is a perfectly natural thing..and whom is the woman that doesn't want to perform ?
All the barbarians didn't come across the border. We have a plentiful supply right here at home.
A rapeist, A child molestor, they are both of the same mentality. There is no difference between them, it is not A sexual thing, it is about power, and forcing yourself on another. I have dealt with these people, they have the desire to control those whom they percieve as being weaker than them. In truth they are cowards, I suppose A woman beater, or child beater (not someone who spanks to dicipline their child) are also in this catagoery. It matters not the gender of their victim, it matters only that they percieve them as weaker, they are cowardly preadators, and need to be destroyed.
I can't, or at least I won't, even tolerate anyone getting in my face during a conversation. What Jerry Seinfeld calls a "close talker". So No, I can't imagine what it must be like to be raped. I do know I don't want rapists consuming air and other resources.
quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
Okay... on an elemenary level....a rapist is someone who intends to inflict harm...
I would much rather have someone break into my home, quite frankly, than, violte my sense of personal security.
There is no way that you can equate a house break-in to being voilated in body. Houses come and go. A body is all you have.... one body....
Bottom line is, rapists are predators, just like child molestors, looking for someone in a weaker position that they can take advantage of.
Are you defending them?
Hell no I'm not defending them. I have never even considered rape nor would I ever. What they do is contemptable (sp?) to me. My punishment if I could squeeze it by Constitutionally would be a public whipping of 40 lashes with a bullwhip.
With all the working girls out there, there is just no justifiable reason to rape.
In a perfect world, neither your house or your body would be violated, they belong to you. But we don't live in a perfect world and these things do happen. Going back AGAIN, If you get a 2X4 upside your head, your body has been violated. Why doesn't assault earn the same jail time?
A number of posters either cannot read or lack the ability to focus on the original post. I don't give a damn what you think when you make some asinine statement like "They ought to be killed". You don't have to be a lawyer or even real intelligent. You only need to be able to reason and make a judgement on fairness.
Wantedman, sorry about your horror stories, but maybe you're too close and unable to know the difference. The original post predisposed that only intercourse occured without death, dismemberment, or * harm.
Your *-biter deserves hard time for sure.
Hugh,
"Socretes and Plato... dont you mean Papa Jupiter and Pluto from The Hills Have Eyes?"
I can see you bear watching.[:o)]
I still won't go camping with you.
quote:Originally posted by wanted man
Is It Really That Bad?
I'm NOT a female, never been raped, either, so I can ONLY IMAGINE what being forcibly raped equates to as a life experience, BUT...........
My sister-in-law had her * BIT OFF, during a rape.........wanna know what THAT did to her?!?!?! I didn't think so!!!
I had a female friend who was a victim of incest/rape, knew her quite well, despite the fact we were only 14-17 during the time of our relationship. Wanna know what THAT did to HER?!?!?!
I also know two other women who have been "attacked" but were able to prevent the "physical act" of sex. I must say they both "handled" their experiences with astonishing resilience (for lack of a better word!)
As you can see, I'm NOT talking about statutory rape here, or "concensual" sex between two kids on the back seat of daddy's car. I personally consider forcible rape "on par" with Murder!
I thought I'd share that with those of you who REALLY have to ask, "Is it REALLY that bad?"
WENT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST, AND I STILL FEEL THE SAME,maybe you need to be raped a few times to drive the large point home.[:(!]
what a bunch of crap!
A number of posters either cannot read or lack the ability to focus on the original post. I don't give a damn what you think when you make some asinine statement like "They ought to be killed". You don't have to be a lawyer or even real intelligent. You only need to be able to reason and make a judgement on fairness.
Wantedman, sorry about your horror stories, but maybe you're too close and unable to know the difference. The original post predisposed that only intercourse occured without death, dismemberment, or * harm.
Your *-biter deserves hard time for sure.
Let me tell you about a girl I know,
had a drink about a hour ago.
Sitting in a corner by herself, in a bar in downtown Hell.
She heard a noise and she looked through the door.
And saw a man she'd never seen before.
Light skin, light blue eyes, a double-chin and a plastic smile.
Well, her heart raced as he walked in the door
And took an empty seat next to her at the bar.
"My brand new car is parked right outside. How'd ya like to go for a ride?"
And she said."Wait a minute I have to think."
He said, "That's fine. May I please buy you a drink"
One drink turned into 3 or 4 and they left and got into his car
and they drove away someplace real far.
Now babe the time has come.
How'd ya like to have a little fun?
And she said."If we could only please be on our way, I will not run."
That's when things got out of control.
She didn't want to, he had his way.
She said, "Let's Go"
He said, "No Way!"
Come on babe it's your lucky day.
Shut your mouth, were gonna do it my way.
Come on baby don't be afraid,
if it wasn't for date rape I'd never get laid.
He finished up and he started the car
He turned around and drove back to the bar.
He said."Now baby don't be sad, in my opinion you weren't half-bad."
She picked up a rock.,threw it at the car, hit him in the head, now he's got a big scar.
Come on party people won't you listen to me.
Date Rape Stylee.
The next day she went to her drawer, look up her local attorney at law,
went to the phone and filed the police report and then she took the guy's * to court.
Well, the day he stood in front of the judge he screamed, "She lies that little sister!"
The judge knew that he was full of poop and he gave him 25 years
And now his heart is filled with tears.
One night in jail it was getting late.
He was butt-raped by a large inmate, and he screamed.
But the guards paid no attention to his cries.
That's when things got out of control.
The moral of the date rape story, it does not pay to be drunk and horny.
But that's the way it had to be.
They locked him up and threw away the key.
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind,
even though he now takes it in the behind.
That's the way it had to be.
They locked him up and threw away the key.
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind,
even though he now takes it in the behind.
DATE RAPE!
She didn't want to [x4]
TAKE IT!
Its a bad crime..... and the most fitting punishment may be jail, where he can experience it from the other end....
I still say the claim "its not about sex, its about control" isn't necassarily true, I'd bet the majority of rape, and probably the majority of forcible rape is for the sex. Im sure there are whackos out there who do it for a feeling of power or control, but thats ignoring the large group of just plain horny men lacking morals...
Im sure there are other crimes that leave you feeling just as violated.
Bobbit is one criminal that comes to mind.... if rape deserves the death penalty, then so does that.
Any force neccassary, including lethal force, should be used to stop a rape in progress, but the same goes for bank robbery. Just because you are willing to kill them to stop them doesnt mean if you catch them later alive they should get the death penalty.
But If i was one the jury of for a trial of someone who killed a rapist, I would find "reasonable doubt" in pretty much the weakest of arguments.
What was that movie, "A time to kill"? where a black man in the south kills two white men who raped his little daughter, set a few decades back.
I think it was based on a true story(not sure).
But I definetly think that would qualify as justifiable homicide
Alot of the things some society members label as rape were never considered rape in the past...time was, if a man believed a woman was making advances in some manner like simply wearing revealing clothing..comming to his house or apartment alone... if she allowed kissing and petting and the man took it to be seduction and pressed her to "go all the way" it wasn't rape...the woman was "asking for it" or "she knew what would happen if she..." It was believed there was a point, after which, the man could not be held resposible for his actions or control his libido...I am certain that is why middle eastern women are required wear the berka.
Hopefully our society has progressed past this neanderthal thinking to an enlightend state where a woman can make the choice...to not take a man to that point if she doesn't intend to finish the deed...C teasing should be a crime too. How many time do we see a gal with a boob job or a miricle bra wearing a low cut top that exposes herself only to be slapped for starring...thats why a woman wears it..if you troll with the right bait all the fish will skike it.(Even the ugly ones who don't have a trust fund and a M5 in the parking lot)
I might be old fashioned but when I think of a rapist I think of the bad guy lurking in the bushes outside the college dorm room waiting for a hapless female who has forgotten her key and walks by his lair headed for the back door. who beats his victim into submission forces her into sex and leaves her for dead. A rape charge should not be used as a defense for a regreted impure act of a goodie two shoes who had one too many and wants her virginity back(for the third time)
There is so much talk these days about date rape drugs...I submit that humans have used a date rape drug since the first grape was sqeezed for the juice...the only difference is women order the flavor they like and men are happy to buy it......
quote:Originally posted by scottm21166
Alot of the things some society members label as rape were never considered rape in the past...time was, if a man believed a woman was making advances in some manner like simply wearing revealing clothing..comming to his house or apartment alone... if she allowed kissing and petting and the man took it to be seduction and pressed her to "go all the way" it wasn't rape...the woman was "asking for it" or "she knew what would happen if she..." It was believed there was a point, after which, the man could not be held resposible for his actions or control his libido...I am certain that is why middle eastern women are required wear the berka.
Hopefully our society has progressed past this neanderthal thinking to an enlightend state where a woman can make the choice...to not take a man to that point if she doesn't intend to finish the deed...C teasing should be a crime too. How many time do we see a gal with a boob job or a miricle bra wearing a low cut top that exposes herself only to be slapped for starring...thats why a woman wears it..if you troll with the right bait all the fish will skike it.(Even the ugly ones who don't have a trust fund and a M5 in the parking lot)
I might be old fashioned but when I think of a rapist I think of the bad guy lurking in the bushes outside the college dorm room waiting for a hapless female who has forgotten her key and walks by his lair headed for the back door. who beats his victim into submission forces her into sex and leaves her for dead. A rape charge should not be used as a defense for a regreted impure act of a goodie two shoes who had one too many and wants her virginity back(for the third time)
There is so much talk these days about date rape drugs...I submit that humans have used a date rape drug since the first grape was sqeezed for the juice...the only difference is women order the flavor they like and men are happy to buy it......
While I agree with your implication that women need be responsible for their behavior, I certainly hope that you are not implying that "date rape" doesn't happen, and that once a woman, in the act of "making out" passes some sort of imaginary line, which may vary from man to man, she is obligated to complete the act as the man sees fit, whether she intended to or not.
Perhaps we ought to go back to when we were considered the posession of our fathers prior to marriage, then our husbands, who might be better able to make these judgement calls for us? If so, then the responsibility of rape truly rests squarely on the shoulders of the man, no excuses.
While I agree with your implication that women need be responsible for their behavior, I certainly hope that you are not implying that "date rape" doesn't happen, and that once a woman, in the act of "making out" passes some sort of imaginary line, which may vary from man to man, she is obligated to complete the act as the man sees fit, whether she intended to or not.
Perhaps we ought to go back to when we were considered the posession of our fathers prior to marriage, then our husbands, who might be better able to make these judgement calls for us? If so, then the responsibility of rape truly rests squarely on the shoulders of the man, no excuses.
women have always been in charge of their OWN bodies no matter what dad or hubby says... sometimes in spite of it. there are laws that protect young women who are unable to make their own choices. They can decide what to wear on a date...how to be honest with a guy about what they want upfront. Ive actually had a girl tell me we were going out as friends and that I should expect nothing sexual at the end of the evenin' AT that point I could make a choice...
A.go out as friends show her what a great guy I am and hope for the best.
B leave her at home and go stag
C petition her father with an offer of three goats and a half eaten loaf of jalepeno cheese log...
D go find her husband at the local pup and buy him cuervo straight shots till he sells her outright
[:D] about the half eaten loaf of jalopeno cheese log....
Big clue, when you go out on a date, the woman knows before you even hook up whether you are going to "do the deed"....
That's just the way it works....
quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
HINT:
Go with "A".....[;)]
[:D] about the half eaten loaf of jalopeno cheese log....
Big clue, when you go out on a date, the woman knows before you even hook up whether you are going to "do the deed"....
That's just the way it works....
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quote:Originally posted by ECC
Rapist should face the death penalty...if in fact a true violent rape has happened and it's not a questionable "date rape" case. It is far worse than assault and violates the very being of a woman. I'm a Christian, so I'm going to have a slightly different take on sex than some of you, but sex is not just a physical act. It has supernatural properties and ramifications. The Word says that when you have sex with someone, that the two become one flesh (or one being). This is a supernatural situation and goes beyond our limited human comprehension. In speaking of sex, the Word also goes on to say that sexual sins are different than other sins, b/c they are sins against your own physical body. It is the ONLY sin that is seperated from grouping the rest of sin together in one group. It is the only sin that the Word holds to a different account. Rapist should be killed...period.
I couldnt agree more,you rape---you die.
"an eye for an eye"
A rape victim never makes the statement that they feel like someone came into their homes and stole their posessions....it can't be compared and shouldn't be.
Anyone who is a rapist needs to go....die....this is the answer to us not dealing with them and the sick minds they have. These people aren't cured...most upscale the crimes they commit...until they have eventually done something that everyone agrees is too bad to let them participate in our society.
I wouldn't give a second thought to defending myself if someone attempted to harm my family or myself...and to me a rapist is an "un-fixable" person who is going to do this horrible crime again...they need to die...just as we lock our doors and have alarm systems to prevent stealing....a rapist is uncurable and that means only one thing to me....rather than being able to walk around waiting for the next vicitm....they are treated like the fowl things they are and we shouldn't have to worry about them EVER again once they have proven they are "un-fixable."
Exactly what do you mean by "Type A"? Are you saying that if a woman doesn't just have the ability to slough it off immediately like a bad day at work, she's a head case, or if she hold a grudge, a lesbian-in-waiting?
It isn't uncommon for women, especially those who were violated when young, to become "hyper sexualized" as adults. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always surmised that this had something to do with learning when young to feel that they are defined by their sexuality, that due to thier trauma, they come to recognize themselves as sexual objects above all else, rather than their intelligence, athletic ability, or other facets of their personality, which is quite convenient for the man in their lives.
Exactly what do you mean by "Type A"? Are you saying that if a woman doesn't just have the ability to slough it off immediately like a bad day at work, she's a head case, or if she hold a grudge, a lesbian-in-waiting?
There is a lot of good thought in your post. Some I believe myself even though I've never seen anything to prove it, only ancedotal evidence. There are Type A women just like there are men. To say everyone has the same abilities and qualities is to buy into 20th century horsecrap.
You have the 911 callers and you have the one's that don't call 911. I am one of the latter and yes, frankly, a woman that can dust herself off, go *, and be ready to kick * the next day is better than one that can't. Are you saying their not?
THERE! THE ULTIMATE NON-PC POST OF THE WORLD!
quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
It isn't uncommon for women, especially those who were violated when young, to become "hyper sexualized" as adults. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I always surmised that this had something to do with learning when young to feel that they are defined by their sexuality, that due to thier trauma, they come to recognize themselves as sexual objects above all else, rather than their intelligence, athletic ability, or other facets of their personality, which is quite convenient for the man in their lives.
Exactly what do you mean by "Type A"? Are you saying that if a woman doesn't just have the ability to slough it off immediately like a bad day at work, she's a head case, or if she hold a grudge, a lesbian-in-waiting?
There is a lot of good thought in your post. Some I believe myself even though I've never seen anything to prove it, only ancedotal evidence. There are Type A women just like there are men. To say everyone has the same abilities and qualities is to buy into 20th century horsecrap.
You have the 911 callers and you have the one's that don't call 911. I am one of the latter and yes, frankly, a woman that can dust herself off, go *, and be ready to kick * the next day is better than one that can't. Are you saying their not?
THERE! THE ULTIMATE NON-PC POST OF THE WORLD!
I'm sorry, but this line of thinking makes me sick. I truly hope you never experience anything as painful and humiliating as rape...I really cannot understand where your line of thinking comes from.
Or I'm on a date, perhaps a bit intoxicated, and my date says "Sleep it off in my spare bedroom", and I wake up to find him inside me. Wow, what a buzz kill.....guess I shouldn't have put myself in such a vulnerable position.... I'll just * and go to work tomorrow...la..daa...daaa...
Like I said before, you have a relative position of power, have never been there, so don't know.
I'm not going to argue you about this.
Come work with me at the DV shelter, then we'll talk.....
wow, gee...one minute, I'm sitting in my home, watching tv, the next minute, I have a knife to my throat and I'm being threatened to perform....Wow, that was a sucky evening, guess I'll just * and go to work tomorrow.....
Or I'm on a date, perhaps a bit intoxicated, and my date says "Sleep it off in my spare bedroom", and I wake up to find him inside me. Wow, what a buzz kill.....guess I shouldn't have put myself in such a vulnerable position.... I'll just * and go to work tomorrow...la..daa...daaa...
Like I said before, you have a relative position of power, have never been there, so don't know.
I'm not going to argue you about this.
Come work with me at the DV shelter, then we'll talk.....
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My question is, if you can step back from the human emotional conflicts for a moment and examine it from a rational level, is it more of a crime than getting your house broken into or the aforementioned assault with intent to inflict harm?
If you are a social worker, perhaps you are not able to step back. I notice that you did not disagree with my statement though. We haven't had a war in the US in a hundred and forty years. Not all American women can be as tough as Scarlett O'Hara.
Eric, my thinking comes from the teachings of Socretes and Plato. Where does yours come from?
No doubt one is never the same person again after an experience like that. While it may seem to be similar for similar other circumstances, I don't think that it is hard to see how the experiencer may feel worse than murdered in the sense that they cannot ever really wake up from the nightmare, nor suffer the complete death that an actual murder may bring.
I would much rather have someone break into my home, quite frankly, than, violte my sense of personal security.
There is no way that you can equate a house break-in to being voilated in body. Houses come and go. A body is all you have.... one body....
Bottom line is, rapists are predators, just like child molestors, looking for someone in a weaker position that they can take advantage of.
Are you defending them?
I'm NOT a female, never been raped, either, so I can ONLY IMAGINE what being forcibly raped equates to as a life experience, BUT...........
My sister-in-law had her * BIT OFF, during a rape.........wanna know what THAT did to her?!?!?! I didn't think so!!!
I had a female friend who was a victim of incest/rape, knew her quite well, despite the fact we were only 14-17 during the time of our relationship. Wanna know what THAT did to HER?!?!?!
I also know two other women who have been "attacked" but were able to prevent the "physical act" of sex. I must say they both "handled" their experiences with astonishing resilience (for lack of a better word!)
As you can see, I'm NOT talking about statutory rape here, or "concensual" sex between two kids on the back seat of daddy's car. I personally consider forcible rape "on par" with Murder!
I thought I'd share that with those of you who REALLY have to ask, "Is it REALLY that bad?"
Is It Really That Bad?
I'm NOT a female, never been raped, either, so I can ONLY IMAGINE what being forcibly raped equates to as a life experience, BUT...........
My sister-in-law had her * BIT OFF, during a rape.........wanna know what THAT did to her?!?!?! I didn't think so!!!
I had a female friend who was a victim of incest/rape, knew her quite well, despite the fact we were only 14-17 during the time of our relationship. Wanna know what THAT did to HER?!?!?!
I also know two other women who have been "attacked" but were able to prevent the "physical act" of sex. I must say they both "handled" their experiences with astonishing resilience (for lack of a better word!)
As you can see, I'm NOT talking about statutory rape here, or "concensual" sex between two kids on the back seat of daddy's car. I personally consider forcible rape "on par" with Murder!
I thought I'd share that with those of you who REALLY have to ask, "Is it REALLY that bad?"
No offense but you are bad luck around women. Don
is merely foreplay to them.
Forcing a woman is just part of being a man...after all, what does a woman know ? The sex act is a perfectly natural thing..and whom is the woman that doesn't want to perform ?
All the barbarians didn't come across the border. We have a plentiful supply right here at home.
Not in regard to this particular topic, BUT, I think most of them would kinda agree!*LOL*[}:)]
Okay... on an elemenary level....a rapist is someone who intends to inflict harm...
I would much rather have someone break into my home, quite frankly, than, violte my sense of personal security.
There is no way that you can equate a house break-in to being voilated in body. Houses come and go. A body is all you have.... one body....
Bottom line is, rapists are predators, just like child molestors, looking for someone in a weaker position that they can take advantage of.
Are you defending them?
Hell no I'm not defending them. I have never even considered rape nor would I ever. What they do is contemptable (sp?) to me. My punishment if I could squeeze it by Constitutionally would be a public whipping of 40 lashes with a bullwhip.
With all the working girls out there, there is just no justifiable reason to rape.
In a perfect world, neither your house or your body would be violated, they belong to you. But we don't live in a perfect world and these things do happen. Going back AGAIN, If you get a 2X4 upside your head, your body has been violated. Why doesn't assault earn the same jail time?
A number of posters either cannot read or lack the ability to focus on the original post. I don't give a damn what you think when you make some asinine statement like "They ought to be killed". You don't have to be a lawyer or even real intelligent. You only need to be able to reason and make a judgement on fairness.
Wantedman, sorry about your horror stories, but maybe you're too close and unable to know the difference. The original post predisposed that only intercourse occured without death, dismemberment, or * harm.
Your *-biter deserves hard time for sure.
Hugh,
"Socretes and Plato... dont you mean Papa Jupiter and Pluto from The Hills Have Eyes?"
I can see you bear watching.[:o)]
I still won't go camping with you.
quote:Originally posted by wanted man
Is It Really That Bad?
I'm NOT a female, never been raped, either, so I can ONLY IMAGINE what being forcibly raped equates to as a life experience, BUT...........
My sister-in-law had her * BIT OFF, during a rape.........wanna know what THAT did to her?!?!?! I didn't think so!!!
I had a female friend who was a victim of incest/rape, knew her quite well, despite the fact we were only 14-17 during the time of our relationship. Wanna know what THAT did to HER?!?!?!
I also know two other women who have been "attacked" but were able to prevent the "physical act" of sex. I must say they both "handled" their experiences with astonishing resilience (for lack of a better word!)
As you can see, I'm NOT talking about statutory rape here, or "concensual" sex between two kids on the back seat of daddy's car. I personally consider forcible rape "on par" with Murder!
I thought I'd share that with those of you who REALLY have to ask, "Is it REALLY that bad?"
what a bunch of crap!
A number of posters either cannot read or lack the ability to focus on the original post. I don't give a damn what you think when you make some asinine statement like "They ought to be killed". You don't have to be a lawyer or even real intelligent. You only need to be able to reason and make a judgement on fairness.
Wantedman, sorry about your horror stories, but maybe you're too close and unable to know the difference. The original post predisposed that only intercourse occured without death, dismemberment, or * harm.
Your *-biter deserves hard time for sure.
Let me tell you about a girl I know,
had a drink about a hour ago.
Sitting in a corner by herself, in a bar in downtown Hell.
She heard a noise and she looked through the door.
And saw a man she'd never seen before.
Light skin, light blue eyes, a double-chin and a plastic smile.
Well, her heart raced as he walked in the door
And took an empty seat next to her at the bar.
"My brand new car is parked right outside. How'd ya like to go for a ride?"
And she said."Wait a minute I have to think."
He said, "That's fine. May I please buy you a drink"
One drink turned into 3 or 4 and they left and got into his car
and they drove away someplace real far.
Now babe the time has come.
How'd ya like to have a little fun?
And she said."If we could only please be on our way, I will not run."
That's when things got out of control.
She didn't want to, he had his way.
She said, "Let's Go"
He said, "No Way!"
Come on babe it's your lucky day.
Shut your mouth, were gonna do it my way.
Come on baby don't be afraid,
if it wasn't for date rape I'd never get laid.
He finished up and he started the car
He turned around and drove back to the bar.
He said."Now baby don't be sad, in my opinion you weren't half-bad."
She picked up a rock.,threw it at the car, hit him in the head, now he's got a big scar.
Come on party people won't you listen to me.
Date Rape Stylee.
The next day she went to her drawer, look up her local attorney at law,
went to the phone and filed the police report and then she took the guy's * to court.
Well, the day he stood in front of the judge he screamed, "She lies that little sister!"
The judge knew that he was full of poop and he gave him 25 years
And now his heart is filled with tears.
One night in jail it was getting late.
He was butt-raped by a large inmate, and he screamed.
But the guards paid no attention to his cries.
That's when things got out of control.
The moral of the date rape story, it does not pay to be drunk and horny.
But that's the way it had to be.
They locked him up and threw away the key.
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind,
even though he now takes it in the behind.
That's the way it had to be.
They locked him up and threw away the key.
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind,
even though he now takes it in the behind.
DATE RAPE!
She didn't want to [x4]
TAKE IT!
Its a bad crime..... and the most fitting punishment may be jail, where he can experience it from the other end....
I still say the claim "its not about sex, its about control" isn't necassarily true, I'd bet the majority of rape, and probably the majority of forcible rape is for the sex. Im sure there are whackos out there who do it for a feeling of power or control, but thats ignoring the large group of just plain horny men lacking morals...
Im sure there are other crimes that leave you feeling just as violated.
Bobbit is one criminal that comes to mind.... if rape deserves the death penalty, then so does that.
Any force neccassary, including lethal force, should be used to stop a rape in progress, but the same goes for bank robbery. Just because you are willing to kill them to stop them doesnt mean if you catch them later alive they should get the death penalty.
But If i was one the jury of for a trial of someone who killed a rapist, I would find "reasonable doubt" in pretty much the weakest of arguments.
What was that movie, "A time to kill"? where a black man in the south kills two white men who raped his little daughter, set a few decades back.
I think it was based on a true story(not sure).
But I definetly think that would qualify as justifiable homicide
Hopefully our society has progressed past this neanderthal thinking to an enlightend state where a woman can make the choice...to not take a man to that point if she doesn't intend to finish the deed...C teasing should be a crime too. How many time do we see a gal with a boob job or a miricle bra wearing a low cut top that exposes herself only to be slapped for starring...thats why a woman wears it..if you troll with the right bait all the fish will skike it.(Even the ugly ones who don't have a trust fund and a M5 in the parking lot)
I might be old fashioned but when I think of a rapist I think of the bad guy lurking in the bushes outside the college dorm room waiting for a hapless female who has forgotten her key and walks by his lair headed for the back door. who beats his victim into submission forces her into sex and leaves her for dead. A rape charge should not be used as a defense for a regreted impure act of a goodie two shoes who had one too many and wants her virginity back(for the third time)
There is so much talk these days about date rape drugs...I submit that humans have used a date rape drug since the first grape was sqeezed for the juice...the only difference is women order the flavor they like and men are happy to buy it......
Alot of the things some society members label as rape were never considered rape in the past...time was, if a man believed a woman was making advances in some manner like simply wearing revealing clothing..comming to his house or apartment alone... if she allowed kissing and petting and the man took it to be seduction and pressed her to "go all the way" it wasn't rape...the woman was "asking for it" or "she knew what would happen if she..." It was believed there was a point, after which, the man could not be held resposible for his actions or control his libido...I am certain that is why middle eastern women are required wear the berka.
Hopefully our society has progressed past this neanderthal thinking to an enlightend state where a woman can make the choice...to not take a man to that point if she doesn't intend to finish the deed...C teasing should be a crime too. How many time do we see a gal with a boob job or a miricle bra wearing a low cut top that exposes herself only to be slapped for starring...thats why a woman wears it..if you troll with the right bait all the fish will skike it.(Even the ugly ones who don't have a trust fund and a M5 in the parking lot)
I might be old fashioned but when I think of a rapist I think of the bad guy lurking in the bushes outside the college dorm room waiting for a hapless female who has forgotten her key and walks by his lair headed for the back door. who beats his victim into submission forces her into sex and leaves her for dead. A rape charge should not be used as a defense for a regreted impure act of a goodie two shoes who had one too many and wants her virginity back(for the third time)
There is so much talk these days about date rape drugs...I submit that humans have used a date rape drug since the first grape was sqeezed for the juice...the only difference is women order the flavor they like and men are happy to buy it......
While I agree with your implication that women need be responsible for their behavior, I certainly hope that you are not implying that "date rape" doesn't happen, and that once a woman, in the act of "making out" passes some sort of imaginary line, which may vary from man to man, she is obligated to complete the act as the man sees fit, whether she intended to or not.
Perhaps we ought to go back to when we were considered the posession of our fathers prior to marriage, then our husbands, who might be better able to make these judgement calls for us? If so, then the responsibility of rape truly rests squarely on the shoulders of the man, no excuses.
While I agree with your implication that women need be responsible for their behavior, I certainly hope that you are not implying that "date rape" doesn't happen, and that once a woman, in the act of "making out" passes some sort of imaginary line, which may vary from man to man, she is obligated to complete the act as the man sees fit, whether she intended to or not.
Perhaps we ought to go back to when we were considered the posession of our fathers prior to marriage, then our husbands, who might be better able to make these judgement calls for us? If so, then the responsibility of rape truly rests squarely on the shoulders of the man, no excuses.
women have always been in charge of their OWN bodies no matter what dad or hubby says... sometimes in spite of it. there are laws that protect young women who are unable to make their own choices. They can decide what to wear on a date...how to be honest with a guy about what they want upfront. Ive actually had a girl tell me we were going out as friends and that I should expect nothing sexual at the end of the evenin' AT that point I could make a choice...
A.go out as friends show her what a great guy I am and hope for the best.
B leave her at home and go stag
C petition her father with an offer of three goats and a half eaten loaf of jalepeno cheese log...
D go find her husband at the local pup and buy him cuervo straight shots till he sells her outright
Go with "A".....[;)]
[:D] about the half eaten loaf of jalopeno cheese log....
Big clue, when you go out on a date, the woman knows before you even hook up whether you are going to "do the deed"....
That's just the way it works....
HINT:
Go with "A".....[;)]
[:D] about the half eaten loaf of jalopeno cheese log....
Big clue, when you go out on a date, the woman knows before you even hook up whether you are going to "do the deed"....
That's just the way it works....
I have always believed that[:)]