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The best dog
kaotikblue
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I just wanted to know if there was a dog that was good at killing mountain lions or bears, or at the very least scare them off, even if it takes two or three of them?
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Ben
As far as mountain lions go, I'd suggest landmines. Works every time.
would be my choice.
I just wanted to know if there was a dog that was good at killing mountain lions or bears, or at the very least scare them off, even if it takes two or three of them?
No dog or any dog will scare off a bear or mountain lion. It's more up to the bear or mountain lion than your dog(s). As far as killing them, any dog that would even attempt it you wouldn't otherwise want around. What about an alligator with AIDS or the Junta Virus?
quote:Originally posted by kaotikblue
I just wanted to know if there was a dog that was good at killing mountain lions or bears, or at the very least scare them off, even if it takes two or three of them?
No dog or any dog will scare off a bear or mountain lion. It's more up to the bear or mountain lion than your dog(s). As far as killing them, any dog that would even attempt it you wouldn't otherwise want around. What about an alligator with AIDS or the Junta Virus?
DWS I have to disagree with you on this. The Karelian is used to ward of bears in many different areas of the states now. Catahoulas and pits are used to bay and catch bears. I had a Catahoula that was a bear dog and also one of the best pets I have ever had.
You'll want to hit the lions and bears with a pack composed of several breeds. I'd suggest chihuahuas, pekingese, shihtzus and toy poodles. Especially the poodles. You're going to go through a lot of dogs (we're talking dangerous game, here), but it's worth it. Keep plugging new ones in there.
You forgot Jack Russell Terriers. They're pretty vicious.
DWS I have to disagree with you on this. The Karelian is used to ward of bears in many different areas of the states now. Catahoulas and pits are used to bay and catch bears. I had a Catahoula that was a bear dog and also one of the best pets I have ever had.
And I am not disagreeing with you. My point is that you don't need a Karelian or a Catahoula to scare off a bear or mountain lion. And using a dog to tree a mountain lion or hold a bear at bay is not remotely the same thing as using them to attack and kill. I mean, I have a Bernese Mountain Dog, but if I tied a small keg of brandy to his collar or hooked him up to livery, I seriously doubt he'd have a clue what to do.
lion or a bear! I've always worked alone.
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
Lion hunting with hounds is not about the dogs killing the lion, it is about the pleasure to hunt lion or bear with hounds. Try the American Blue GAscon Hound, very good at this. Also the Plott Hounds.
Unfortunately, this has nothing whatever to do with the thread author's purpose here.
police and military all over the world use them, they are very very agile, and fast, they have a very good hard quick bite, and can handle any temperature, and the absolute smartest dog i ever seen
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Well , anyway he can use de American Blue GAscon Hound, I had a couple of them that I broughtfrom Arkansas and they were very brave with big cats. Good luck.
I just wanted to know if there was a dog that was good at killing mountain lions or bears, or at the very least scare them off, even if it takes two or three of them?
There are people that have dogs that think they will kill mountain lions.[:D]
A 40lb wild cat will tear up any dog you bring on....just imagine a 130lb Mountain Lion.
My partner had a cat that broke into his kennels and ate his dog (rhodesian ridgeback) and came back for a * in the barn
Going after big cats with dogs is not an economical enterprise. Oh, they might finally get one treed or cornered so you could shoot it, but the chances are, you're going to loose some hounds, and incur some pretty heavy vet bills.
Pit bulls don't stand a chance with full grown boar bears. They were actually bred (from an ancestrial point of view) to "bait" bulls in the ring, not pursue bear in the wilderness. Two totally different endeavors. The pit bull would latch on to the bear and the bear would rip the innards out of the dog. Next dog, same show.
Maybe many pit bulls could eventually win out, but a bunch would die in the process under most circumstances. Pit bulls are much better at killing smaller or outnumbered pets and small children, female urban apartment dwellers and senior citizens. Public records support these facts.
Otherwise, I'd suggest a pet Wolverine!
What U need is a few of these maneaters [;)]...I dunno how they'll stand-up to the cold though...[xx(]...
Jeff
Its remote dog....
She's "toy" Rat Terrior.I think they should just call'em "TERRORS"[}:)]
Jeff
Spare the dogs, get 2 or 3 suitable firearms instead, [^].
x2[;)]
I own about 30 pitbulls. I would never turn any of them loose on a bear or mountain lion. If it ever happened by accident, I'd feel pretty confident in my dogs. They would die trying with their "non-stop" attitude. The comment about killing small children is not necessarily true. When an unfortunate accident like this happens, it's the owner's fault, not the dog's. These are cases of the dogs being in the wrong hands. Irresponsible owners who aren't capable of handling these dogs. Pitbulls are great dogs.
You're in denial![:D]Pit Bulls have mauled and killed toddlers repeatedly, and to a far greater extent than any other breed of dog over the last two decades! Turn off kick boxing, wrestling and MTV occasionally and watch the NEWS!
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quote:Originally posted by XLpitman
I own about 30 pitbulls. I would never turn any of them loose on a bear or mountain lion. If it ever happened by accident, I'd feel pretty confident in my dogs. They would die trying with their "non-stop" attitude. The comment about killing small children is not necessarily true. When an unfortunate accident like this happens, it's the owner's fault, not the dog's. These are cases of the dogs being in the wrong hands. Irresponsible owners who aren't capable of handling these dogs. Pitbulls are great dogs.
You're in denial![:D]Pit Bulls have mauled and killed toddlers repeatedly, and to a far greater extent than any other breed of dog over the last two decades! Turn off kick boxing, wrestling and MTV occasionally and watch the NEWS!
Sorry but you are wrong on that...
NATION
Data on pit bulls may be skewed by popularity
Rottweilers were deadliest dogs for much of 1990s
Erin McCormick and Todd Wallack, Chronicle Staff Writers
Sunday, July 3, 2005
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In the wake of a horrific streak of bloody maulings, pit bulls have gained a reputation as the country's deadliest dogs.
But experts disagree about whether pit bulls are inherently more dangerous -- or just the latest breed in vogue among irresponsible dog owners.
After all, German shepherds killed more people than any other dog in the late 1970s, when many people favored the breed for its fierce reputation. Then, for two years, it was Great Danes. Rottweilers topped the list of killer dogs through most of the '90s, according to a study by the Centers for Disease Control. Now it's pit bulls.
And even those rankings are based only on the rarest of dog attacks -- the couple dozen each year that kill.
Much less is known about which breeds are most likely to cause nonfatal bites, which send an estimated 1,000 people to hospital emergency rooms each day around the country. There's no central reporting agency that tracks the estimated 4.7 million U.S. dog bites each year. And smaller studies present conflicting results for which breeds are the most dangerous.
"If we're just focusing on dog deaths and we're just focusing on pit bulls, we're missing the point," said Florida dog trainer Jim Crosby, a national expert on dog aggression.
The lack of reliable data could make it more difficult to figure out how to draft effective regulations to keep the public safer from dog bite injuries or which breeds to focus on. In the wake of several pit bull attacks, including the one that killed 12-year-old Nicholas Faibish on June 3, San Francisco officials are supporting state legislation to give them the authority to crack down on that particular breed.
"I've got a pit bull problem," said Carl Friedman, director of San Francisco's Animal Care and Control department, which responds to dog bites in the city. Friedman points out that most of its hearings on aggressive dogs involve pit bulls.
State law bars cities and counties from targeting specific breeds. But a bill sponsored by Sen. Jackie Speier, D-Hillsborough, would let cities restrict breeding of certain breeds, or force owners to spay or neuter the dogs to make them less aggressive.
Still, despite the recent wave of publicity surrounding pit bull attacks, the number of fatal dog maulings has remained fairly constant -- averaging around 20 per year in the United States for decades. Indeed, you're more likely to be struck dead by lightning than killed by a dog.
But the breed responsible for the fatalities has changed. Lately, pit bulls have been the main culprit, accounting for 45 of the 145 fatalities since 1999, according to a Chronicle analysis of dog fatality data collected by the National Canine Research Foundation. Rottweilers ranked second with 25 attacks.
Other unexpected breeds have killed people, too. For instance, a tiny Pomeranian mix climbed up on a bed and killed a 6-week-old girl in Southern California in 2000. Because fatal maulings are so rare, some dog experts say it's unfair to blacklist an entire breed based on a few vicious attacks.
"You can't base your assumptions about a whole breed's behavior on three or four dogs," said Karen Delise, founder of the National Canine Research Foundation, who has conducted extensive dog fatality studies.
While even their defenders concede that powerful breeds, like pit bulls and Rottweilers, can kill more easily than miniature poodles or cocker spaniels, many insist the deaths have more to do with fads in ownership than problems with the breed itself.
"In the early to mid-1990s, Rottweilers became the tough-guy dog," said Crosby. "They were the macho dog to own amongst people who were not particularly responsible owners." Now it's pit bulls, says Eric Sakach of the United States Humane Society. Sakach said some people are specifically breeding pit bulls for fighting and aggression, which in turn can lead to more deadly attacks.
Kenneth Phillips, a Southern California lawyer who has devoted his career exclusively to dog bite cases, says all kinds of dogs bite -- not just the ones people think of as dangerous.
Indeed, some of the most severe injuries his clients have faced came from dachshunds. "If they bite you, they just rip off your face," he said.
Another limitation with dog bite statistics is they generally do not take into account the popularity of the dogs: One breed may account for more attacks than another, simply because the breed is more common.
The American Kennel Club, which registers about 1 million dogs a year, says it has the best data available to rate the popularity of America's 74 million dogs. But it doesn't register mixes or undocumented dogs, which account for half of dogs, by AKC's own estimate.
And it doesn't consider pit bulls to be an official breed at all. So no one knows precisely how many pit bulls there are nationwide -- let alone which breed accounts for the highest number of attacks per dog. "Dog bite statistics are not really statistics, and they do not give an accurate picture of dogs that bite," warns a report from the American Veterinary Medical Association. "Invariably the numbers will show that dogs from popular, large breeds are a problem."
Meanwhile, some insurance agencies have compiled their own lists of vicious breeds, based on claims. Allstate Insurance, for instance, won't offer homeowners insurance to Californians who own any of eight types of dogs: pit bulls (American Staffordshire terriers), akitas, boxers, chow chows, Dobermans, rottweilers, Presa Canarios and wolf hybrids, plus any mixes that include the breeds.
"They are the dogs that generate the most lawsuits," said spokesman Rich Halberg. Nationwide Insurance compiled a similar list, though it doesn't include akitas or boxers.
Company spokesman Joe Case, in Columbus, Ohio, said the carrier consulted the CDC's fatality study, but thought it was critical to consider the insurer's own experience handling reports of other serious dog bites.
"Not every dog attack results in a fatality, but it could result in an insurance claim being filed," said Case. Unlike Allstate, Nationwide will still sell policies to owners whose dog completes the American Kennel Club's "Canine Good Citizen Program," which includes a test to make sure the dog is well behaved.
Delise, who studied dog fatalities dating back to 1965 for her book "Fatal Dog Attacks," has identified numerous patterns in the most serious attacks. She argues that the patterns are more important than the breed.
For instance, dogs kept on chains or for protection posed a much bigger danger than family dogs kept in houses. Most deadly dogs were males. Only a minority of dogs had been spayed or neutered. Many cases involved owners who neglected or abused their dogs, she said.
In one case, the owner had previously been reported for beating his dog with a hammer. Another involved a dog that was starving to death on his chain. By far the majority of those who died from dog attacks were children -- usually unsupervised. A scenario that comes up again and again in the data is the toddler who wanders up to a dog chained in a backyard when no one is watching.
Several infants, left on a floor or bed, have also been killed by a family dog.
In one case, a German shepherd killed an infant by picking it up and carrying it to his family in the living room in what may have been a friendly gesture.
Delise said only a tiny number of dog attack fatality cases -- perhaps two or three each year -- are freak accidents in which a seemingly nice dog goes bad.
Others are either aggressive dogs or abusive owners who create accidents waiting to happen. Or they involve a cascade of mistakes, such as an owner failing to neuter a dog, ignoring a previous aggressive incident and then leaving an unsupervised child with the dog. "Once in a while, the dominoes line up and somebody gets killed," Delise said. "But statistically it's such a small number."
I own about 30 pitbulls.
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I stopped reading after the first sentence.
A pitbull is the equivalent of a saturday night special! Aint good for nothin but puttin a man 6' in the hole!
Rhodesian Ridgeback , also called a "safari dog" because in small groups it has been used for hunting lions and pumas. It withstands well the torrid heat of the day and the damp cold of night,is insensetive to the bites of insects and can go hungry and thirsty for many hours.
You beat me to it. A buddy of mine had one. It was a good dog.