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The wife decided on a concealed carry pistol

11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
Sig Sauer P238 Lady in .380 ACP. I like it too, but I think I'll stick with my evil black XD-40 sub-compact.

P238-Lady-Left-Detail.jpg
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  • HandLoadHandLoad Member Posts: 15,998
    edited November -1
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,198 ******
    edited November -1
    Is that SA only ??
  • Big Sky RedneckBig Sky Redneck Member Posts: 19,752 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Thats your gun, you're just too chicken to admit it so you blame it on the wife.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    Is that SA only ??


    Bad choice for a woman to carry.
  • dongizmodongizmo Member Posts: 14,477 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    Is that SA only ??


    Bad choice for a woman to carry.

    Yep.....
    Don
    The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.
  • jltrentjltrent Member Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Better not piss her off. I had a coworker once that his wife carried and it did not end well.
  • NeoBlackdogNeoBlackdog Member Posts: 17,259 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Now I know that the P238 is a great little gun... But just looking at that one made me cringe! Dat's an ugly gat!
  • Wyatt EarpWyatt Earp Member Posts: 5,871
    edited November -1
    What makes it pretty is where it say Sig Sauer on the side. All things Sig are good.
  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Well, if your wife likes it she'll be more likely to carry it where it will do her some good. Good for you and her! [8D]

    Don't listen to the naysayers...a gun in the purse is better than NO gun.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Navybat
    Well, if your wife likes it she'll be more likely to carry it where it will do her some good. Good for you and her! [8D]

    Don't listen to the naysayers...a gun in the purse is better than NO gun.



    She's planning on getting one of those Flashbang bra holsters.
  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    quote:Originally posted by Navybat
    Well, if your wife likes it she'll be more likely to carry it where it will do her some good. Good for you and her! [8D]

    Don't listen to the naysayers...a gun in the purse is better than NO gun.



    She's planning on getting one of those Flashbang bra holsters.

    What, is she a Fembot? [:o)][:D]
  • CaptplaidCaptplaid Member Posts: 20,298 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    How often does a LEO inspect a woman's purse?
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,198 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    quote:Originally posted by Navybat
    Well, if your wife likes it she'll be more likely to carry it where it will do her some good. Good for you and her! [8D]

    Don't listen to the naysayers...a gun in the purse is better than NO gun.



    She's planning on getting one of those Flashbang bra holsters.
    with a SA pistol, how does she plan on carrying it? Chamber empty,round in chamber and leave hammer back,or round in chamber.. release hammer manualy,and then cock hammer during presentation of gun,,??
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    There IS a safety on it...
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,198 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    There IS a safety on it...
    explain the safety to me,when you chamber a round and the hammer is back ???Can you drop the hammer with the safety on ??
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    There IS a safety on it...
    explain the safety to me,when you chamber a round and the hammer is back ???Can you drop the hammer with the safety on ??



    No.
  • FEENIXFEENIX Member Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    There IS a safety on it...
    explain the safety to me,when you chamber a round and the hammer is back ???Can you drop the hammer with the safety on ??


    It comes pre-locked, so it's safe. [}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
  • River RatRiver Rat Member Posts: 9,022
    edited November -1
    The fact that SHE likes it is all that matters. Too many gunhead husbands seize the opportunity to "pick one for the little woman," and she's not comfortable with the choice. If mama bear's happy...
  • woodhogwoodhog Member Posts: 13,115 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    she got the first part right, found a pistol she is comfortable with. Now she needs enough range time to feel competent with it.
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    ]explain the safety to me,when you chamber a round and the hammer is back ???Can you drop the hammer with the safety on ??


    Wouldn't be much of a safety if you could....

    Just saying [:)]
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    ]explain the safety to me,when you chamber a round and the hammer is back ???Can you drop the hammer with the safety on ??


    Wouldn't be much of a safety if you could....

    Just saying [:)]



    Right?

    River-Rat is 100% on. It's something that she likes. I'm not going to talk her out of it, even if I wanted to (which I don't). And .380 is cheap enough that she can spend all day at the range without breaking the bank.
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7

    River-Rat is 100% on. It's something that she likes. I'm not going to talk her out of it, even if I wanted to (which I don't). And .380 is cheap enough that she can spend all day at the range without breaking the bank.


    I think she made a good choice. Its a fine weapon.

    For those who say a single-action isn't a good choice for a female....I say BS.
  • iceracerxiceracerx Member Posts: 8,860 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    She might be better off with one in 22 long rife.
  • 17tobyracing17tobyracing Member Posts: 3,429 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    My wife carries a .380 too, Walther PPK/S.
  • MossbergboogieMossbergboogie Member Posts: 12,211
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7

    River-Rat is 100% on. It's something that she likes. I'm not going to talk her out of it, even if I wanted to (which I don't). And .380 is cheap enough that she can spend all day at the range without breaking the bank.


    I think she made a good choice. Its a fine weapon.

    For those who say a single-action isn't a good choice for a female....I say BS.


    IMO single action and safties both are bad carry options but people do it all the time without issue.

    Switches are just one more malfunction or opperator error point under stress.
  • SpartacusSpartacus Member Posts: 14,415
    edited November -1
    quote:Bad choice for a woman to carry.

    you're kidding, right?
    women aren't ____________(fill in the blank) to carry a 1911 style gun???
    the 238 is a perfect deep conceal pistol for ANYONE.
    i have one in my back pocket every day.
    carry it condition one, like any other 1911 style
    great choice!

    tom
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,198 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    There IS a safety on it...
    explain the safety to me,when you chamber a round and the hammer is back ???Can you drop the hammer with the safety on ??



    No.
    Jake,I'm not trying to be an *. I have a daughter in law that wants the same gun,same caliber,same holster. I've asked the questions to her and my son and didn't really get any answers. So I'm asking the same questions of you and Holly to see if you have thought of and/or can answer the questions I have.
  • select-fireselect-fire Member Posts: 69,514 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,198 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    ]explain the safety to me,when you chamber a round and the hammer is back ???Can you drop the hammer with the safety on ??


    Wouldn't be much of a safety if you could....

    Just saying [:)]
    exactly,,so why is it even needed on a SA only?? Say its got one in the chamber,hammers back. I have the safety off,manually release the hammer . I can now put the safety on ? why? Its a SA,I have to manually cock the hammer to shoot. So now when the gun comes out of the holster with one the chamber,I'd have to release the safety and cock the hammer? Or just carry without one in the chamber? I don't get it,especially all this coming out of the revolutionary 'flashbang' holster.
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,198 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
    EXACTLY !!!!!! The demo video of this 'flashbang' holster, she is using a little, DA only, that has no safety,no hammer, no backstrap spur, and there is one in the tube,,,pull & fire done.
  • reloader44magreloader44mag Member Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
    Sig Sauer P238 Lady in .380 ACP. I like it too, but I think I'll stick with my evil black XD-40 sub-compact.

    P238-Lady-Left-Detail.jpg
    is that gun having its period?
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    exactly,,so why is it even needed on a SA only?? Say its got one in the chamber,hammers back. I have the safety off,manually release the hammer . I can now put the safety on ? why? Its a SA,I have to manually cock the hammer to shoot. So now when the gun comes out of the holster with one the chamber,I'd have to release the safety and cock the hammer? Or just carry without one in the chamber? I don't get it,especially all this coming out of the revolutionary 'flashbang' holster.


    Ok, joe....I think I get what you're saying now.

    First, the safety cannot be activated with the hammer down...only with the hammer back. This leaves the carrier with 3 ways to carry the pistol

    1) Mag inserted, no round in chamber. To get the gun into action, rack the slide.

    2) Mag inserted, hammer down on live chamber. As stated before, the safety cannot be activated with the hammer down....so to get the gun into action, simply cock the hammer.

    3) Mag inserted, hammer back on live chamber, safety on. To get the gun into action, release the safety.


    I prefer #3....#1 takes too long, and #2 requires dropping the hammer on a live round....something I don't like to do even if I've got my thumb on the hammer.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    quote:Originally posted by select-fire
    Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
    EXACTLY !!!!!! The demo video of this 'flashbang' holster, she is using a little, DA only, that has no safety,no hammer, no backstrap spur, and there is one in the tube,,,pull & fire done.



    But, if Holly carries it with the hammer cocked and the safety on, she can train herself to flip the safety off as she's pulling it out of the holster. And since you're not supposed to put your finger on the trigger until you are on target with the weapon, there should be no worries about firing before you're ready.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    exactly,,so why is it even needed on a SA only?? Say its got one in the chamber,hammers back. I have the safety off,manually release the hammer . I can now put the safety on ? why? Its a SA,I have to manually cock the hammer to shoot. So now when the gun comes out of the holster with one the chamber,I'd have to release the safety and cock the hammer? Or just carry without one in the chamber? I don't get it,especially all this coming out of the revolutionary 'flashbang' holster.


    Ok, joe....I think I get what you're saying now.

    First, the safety cannot be activated with the hammer down...only with the hammer back. This leaves the carrier with 3 ways to carry the pistol

    1) Mag inserted, no round in chamber. To get the gun into action, rack the slide.

    2) Mag inserted, hammer down on live chamber. As stated before, the safety cannot be activated with the hammer down....so to get the gun into action, simply cock the hammer.

    3) Mag inserted, hammer back on live chamber, safety on. To get the gun into action, release the safety.


    I prefer #3....#1 takes too long, and #2 requires dropping the hammer on a live round....something I don't like to do even if I've got my thumb on the hammer.


    The P238 can have the safety on with the hammer down.
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Zulu7

    The P238 can have the safety on with the hammer down.


    Really? I didn't know that. I figured the safeties were the same as the Mustang, since the gun is pretty much an exact copy.



    Seems kinda pointless though...


    My apologies to montanajoe, for giving bad information!
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Honestly, I don't like the idea of the holster.

    If I have a * moment and my gun discharges in the holster.....the most likely thing that will happen is I take a bullet in the leg before it lodges in the ground.....maybe a serious wound, but I'm really only endangering myself.

    If the gun discharges while drawing out of the "flashbang", the bullet coming out at chest level.....or right about where a child's head would be.

    No thanks.
  • montanajoemontanajoe Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 60,198 ******
    edited November -1
    No problem Rack. I just don't see this style gun,as a good match for the 'flashbang'bra holster. I can't see it being fast enough,and I can't see this style gun not getting hung up in the bra coming out of holster. I have no experience wearing a bra (o.k. only 4 times[:D][;)]), and no experince with bra holsters. So, this is all my opinions and more importantly, my concerns, for ladys I care about.
  • 11BravoCrunchie11BravoCrunchie Member Posts: 33,423 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    No problem Rack. I just don't see this style gun,as a good match for the 'flashbang'bra holster. I can't see it being fast enough,and I can't see this style gun not getting hung up in the bra coming out of holster. I have no experience wearing a bra (o.k. only 4 times[:D][;)]), and no experince with bra holsters. So, this is all my opinions and more importantly, my concerns, for ladys I care about.



    IMG_2055__95824_std.jpg


    How exactly is the pistol going to get hung up in the bra? It hangs below it, and is drawn through the bottom of the holster.
  • armilitearmilite Member Posts: 35,490 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
    No problem Rack. I just don't see this style gun,as a good match for the 'flashbang'bra holster. I can't see it being fast enough,and I can't see this style gun not getting hung up in the bra coming out of holster. I have no experience wearing a bra (o.k. only 4 times[:D][;)]), and no experince with bra holsters. So, this is all my opinions and more importantly, my concerns, for ladys I care about.




    Perhaps this is a question that BTDT could answer he's an expert in this area.
  • Rack OpsRack Ops Member Posts: 18,596 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Joe....the gun itself is fine, of course I'm partial to the Colt....I've handled the SIG a couple of times (not long enough to know that safety, it seems) and the Colt just feels better in my hand.


    Carrying a small auto in "girl clothes" is doable...
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