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quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
No problem Rack. I just don't see this style gun,as a good match for the 'flashbang'bra holster. I can't see it being fast enough,and I can't see this style gun not getting hung up in the bra coming out of holster. I have no experience wearing a bra (o.k. only 4 times[:D][;)]), and no experince with bra holsters. So, this is all my opinions and more importantly, my concerns, for ladys I care about.
if that had a hammer,and it was cocked back,it wouldn't be in the bottom of that bra ??
How exactly is the pistol going to get hung up in the bra? It hangs below it, and is drawn through the bottom of the holster.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
A lot of women (and men) can't effectively fire weapons that have the heavy trigger pull generally seen on DAO pistols and revolvers.
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
So what? There is still one more step to do aside pointing and pulling on a DAO auto or revolver. I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer. Double tapping requires two trigger pulls regardless of which weapon.
Zulu posted..The P238 can have the safety on with the hammer down.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
So what? There is still one more step to do aside pointing and pulling on a DAO auto or revolver. I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer. Double tapping requires two trigger pulls regardless of which weapon.
It also requires the gun going bang on the first pull. Most encounters are 7yds. Not going bang is a very bad thing.
quote:Originally posted by Mossbergboogie
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
So what? There is still one more step to do aside pointing and pulling on a DAO auto or revolver. I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer. Double tapping requires two trigger pulls regardless of which weapon.
It also requires the gun going bang on the first pull. Most encounters are 7yds. Not going bang is a very bad thing.
Different strokes for differnt folks.
Going Bang with a faulty first shot on a revolver .. second pull is quicker..lots quicker than any automatic.
my bad, used the wrong terminology,
double hamer tap.
if you get a light strike on DAO PISTOL (not revolver), you recycle the weapon. no way around it.
get a light strike, no fire, on the 1911 and pull the hammer back again. this can be done with the trigger engaged. one handed.
i see what you're saying, it's how you are trained.
i've never trained to carry a revolver for SD.
we are cool, right?
tom
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
my bad, used the wrong terminology,
double hamer tap.
if you get a light strike on DAO PISTOL (not revolver), you recycle the weapon. no way around it.
get a light strike, no fire, on the 1911 and pull the hammer back again. this can be done with the trigger engaged. one handed.
i see what you're saying, it's how you are trained.
i've never trained to carry a revolver for SD.
we are cool, right?
tom
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by Mossbergboogie
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
So what? There is still one more step to do aside pointing and pulling on a DAO auto or revolver. I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer. Double tapping requires two trigger pulls regardless of which weapon.
It also requires the gun going bang on the first pull. Most encounters are 7yds. Not going bang is a very bad thing.
Different strokes for differnt folks.
Going Bang with a faulty first shot on a revolver .. second pull is quicker..lots quicker than any automatic.
I don't know about the 'cool' factor but revolvers are the best approach for self defense IMO.
No 'stove pipes'
No FTF
Just a real 'point and shoot' interface.
Situational awareness goes a long way in self defense. It's NOT a fast draw contest.
Unless that bra holster allows the firearm to be drawn straight down, and it doesn't look like it does, the muzzle will be pointed at the Mrs' body long before it's pointed at an assailant.
Reaching up and under a garment to unholster, and clearing the garment seems like a REAL slow method of arming oneself.
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
my bad, used the wrong terminology,
double hamer tap.
if you get a light strike on DAO PISTOL (not revolver), you recycle the weapon. no way around it.
get a light strike, no fire, on the 1911 and pull the hammer back again. this can be done with the trigger engaged. one handed.
i see what you're saying, it's how you are trained.
i've never trained to carry a revolver for SD.
we are cool, right?
tom
Comments
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
No problem Rack. I just don't see this style gun,as a good match for the 'flashbang'bra holster. I can't see it being fast enough,and I can't see this style gun not getting hung up in the bra coming out of holster. I have no experience wearing a bra (o.k. only 4 times[:D][;)]), and no experince with bra holsters. So, this is all my opinions and more importantly, my concerns, for ladys I care about.
if that had a hammer,and it was cocked back,it wouldn't be in the bottom of that bra ??
How exactly is the pistol going to get hung up in the bra? It hangs below it, and is drawn through the bottom of the holster.
Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
A lot of women (and men) can't effectively fire weapons that have the heavy trigger pull generally seen on DAO pistols and revolvers.
Simple is great......hits are better.
quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
So what? There is still one more step to do aside pointing and pulling on a DAO auto or revolver. I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer. Double tapping requires two trigger pulls regardless of which weapon.
Zulu posted..The P238 can have the safety on with the hammer down.
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
So what? There is still one more step to do aside pointing and pulling on a DAO auto or revolver. I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer. Double tapping requires two trigger pulls regardless of which weapon.
It also requires the gun going bang on the first pull. Most encounters are 7yds. Not going bang is a very bad thing.
Different strokes for differnt folks.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
So what? There is still one more step to do aside pointing and pulling on a DAO auto or revolver. I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer. Double tapping requires two trigger pulls regardless of which weapon.
It also requires the gun going bang on the first pull. Most encounters are 7yds. Not going bang is a very bad thing.
Different strokes for differnt folks.
Going Bang with a faulty first shot on a revolver .. second pull is quicker..lots quicker than any automatic.
double hamer tap.
if you get a light strike on DAO PISTOL (not revolver), you recycle the weapon. no way around it.
get a light strike, no fire, on the 1911 and pull the hammer back again. this can be done with the trigger engaged. one handed.
i see what you're saying, it's how you are trained.
i've never trained to carry a revolver for SD.
we are cool, right?
tom
my bad, used the wrong terminology,
double hamer tap.
if you get a light strike on DAO PISTOL (not revolver), you recycle the weapon. no way around it.
get a light strike, no fire, on the 1911 and pull the hammer back again. this can be done with the trigger engaged. one handed.
i see what you're saying, it's how you are trained.
i've never trained to carry a revolver for SD.
we are cool, right?
tom
Who are you asking?
quote:Originally posted by Mossbergboogie
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
quote:Y'all can say BS all day about my opinion. I don't care. If in a situation, time is of the essence.. it takes time to cock the hammer, release the safety , point and fire. 4 things to do. Point and pull the trigger on a double action only automatic or revolver.
negative!!
the 238 can be carried hammer cocked in condition 1 just like any other 1911 platform.
release the thumb safety and fire away.
much better trigger than any small DAO available. 5# vs 8-12# trigger pull?? yeah, i'll take the 238.
i sold my PM9 and bought the sig because the 1911 platform is inherently better.
can you double tap your DAO?
jmho
tom
So what? There is still one more step to do aside pointing and pulling on a DAO auto or revolver. I don't like the idea of a cocked hammer. Double tapping requires two trigger pulls regardless of which weapon.
It also requires the gun going bang on the first pull. Most encounters are 7yds. Not going bang is a very bad thing.
Different strokes for differnt folks.
Going Bang with a faulty first shot on a revolver .. second pull is quicker..lots quicker than any automatic.
You realize I am not disgreeing with you right.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by montanajoe
Is that SA only ??
Bad choice for a woman to carry.
Yep.....
Don
How do either of you know how well trained with a pistol she is?
Women always like shiny small little guns, till they shoot them.
Does your shop have a range or place to shoot out back of it?
Wait till one of these comes in used and have her fire it.
I recommend you let her shoot a couple more before you buy her that one.
Women always like shiny small little guns, till they shoot them.
Does your shop have a range or place to shoot out back of it?
Wait till one of these comes in used and have her fire it.
It does not have a range.
quote:Originally posted by drobs
I recommend you let her shoot a couple more before you buy her that one.
Women always like shiny small little guns, till they shoot them.
Does your shop have a range or place to shoot out back of it?
Wait till one of these comes in used and have her fire it.
It does not have a range.
Find an indoor range that rents them and have her try it 1st.
No 'stove pipes'
No FTF
Just a real 'point and shoot' interface.
Situational awareness goes a long way in self defense. It's NOT a fast draw contest.
Unless that bra holster allows the firearm to be drawn straight down, and it doesn't look like it does, the muzzle will be pointed at the Mrs' body long before it's pointed at an assailant.
Reaching up and under a garment to unholster, and clearing the garment seems like a REAL slow method of arming oneself.
quote:Originally posted by Spartacus
my bad, used the wrong terminology,
double hamer tap.
if you get a light strike on DAO PISTOL (not revolver), you recycle the weapon. no way around it.
get a light strike, no fire, on the 1911 and pull the hammer back again. this can be done with the trigger engaged. one handed.
i see what you're saying, it's how you are trained.
i've never trained to carry a revolver for SD.
we are cool, right?
tom