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Gun law question
yawarakai
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Is a person who came to this country in 1997 on a "visa" after being
kicked out of the German Army after a short time, legally purchase and
or carry a rifle????
kicked out of the German Army after a short time, legally purchase and
or carry a rifle????
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He is the type who will bring it back again. I had to file a report on the incident and I know his dad will see this report.
The last line of the report I am going to put that this is his only warning, next time I will call the police for underage possesion of a firearm. Is this actually considered underage possession of a firearm. What are some of the consequeses so I can let his father know what might happen to his kid. (The local cops will most likely give him a break the first time also. That is why I am getting this on paper and filed.)
An individual 18 years of age or older may purchase a rifle or shotgun from a federally licensed dealer in any state.
when i think of rifle, i think of bolt action. so what i need to know is does this includes ak47s. i know thats a dumb question but i want to make sure.
Question; is it against the law to have and to share that information?
does anyone have a link to it?
there may be some important questions that should
be considered. Maybe a sit down with him and his
dad - voicing your concerns? Doable, or not?
That's the first step I'd take ... but that's my style.
I talk to kids first and move on to steps two, three,
etc. if it doesn't work. His dad may thank you for the
oppertunity, too.[:D]
This kid is crying out for help.
It is your responsibility as an adult in a position of authority to do what you can to provide that help.
Long calm discussions about the various consequences of life are very helpful in that respect.
If you are the authority that makes the rules then it is your rule that no BB guns are permitted.
Do not involve the Police. If you do, you give them authority that they do not have, and Police these days tend to over step their authority.
Why is he acting like this? If you are his supervisor and he isn't obeying instructions and is violating company rules why is he still employed there?
To you (and certainly me) an 18 year old may be a kid, but he is a legal adult and should know better than to break the rules, disobey orders and fool around with a dangerous object.
Too old to live...too young to die...
Ok here it is. I have a kid at work who is a smart alec who doesn't listen. This is in Ohio He is not bad yet but heading there. Tonight he brought a BB pistol on the property. I told him no weapons, take it home.
He is the type who will bring it back again. I had to file a report on the incident and I know his dad will see this report.
The last line of the report I am going to put that this is his only warning, next time I will call the police for underage possesion of a firearm. Is this actually considered underage possession of a firearm. What are some of the consequeses so I can let his father know what might happen to his kid. (The local cops will most likely give him a break the first time also. That is why I am getting this on paper and filed.)
A solution is you should have taken it from him and had his Dad come pick up the BB gun.
Cleveland passed a law in 2002 classifing BB guns as WEAPONS
I know that Toledo and Columbus have also passed Local laws governing "weapons", I just don't know what they are.
According to Michigan law Sec. 222. As used in this chapter: (b) "Firearm" means a weapon from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by an explosive, or by gas or air. Firearm does not include a smooth bore rifle or handgun designed and manufactured exclusively for propelling by a spring, or by gas or air, BB's not exceeding .177 caliber.
quote:Pellet guns are considered firearms in Michigan and thus are regulated by the above provisions. A pellet handgun must be registered and requires a license to purchase. In addition, a license to carry must be obtained to carry concealed or in a vehicle; if it has no serial number, the gun must be taken to the State Police who will stamp a number on the weapon. No person under 18 years of age may possess or use a BB gun beyond the yard of his home unless accompanied by a person over 18.
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=MI
Did you ask or did he say why he had the bb gun ?
He just got it. He wanted to shoot the geese. This kid is 14, the area is a condominium property rec area. I am security. I have talked with his dad about his inability to listen and take instructions. If he had gone home when first asked to that would have been the end of it. I would have understood his being excited asbout having a new toy and wanting to show me.
But I did not get the chance to escort him home as I was also responsible for a party that was going on and had tresspassers to deal with at the same time. I made the mistake and gave the resident kid a chance to do the right thing without being escorted home by security.
I have to file a report with the consequenses of what will happen. If I threaten the police in the report the dad might see that his kid can get in to serious trouble. The condo rules are no weapons, I had to go afetr a guy last year for a compress bow and arrows.
quote:Originally posted by sheepdip
Did you ask or did he say why he had the bb gun ?
He just got it. He wanted to shoot the geese. This kid is 14, the area is a condominium property rec area. I am security. I have talked with his dad about his inability to listen and take instructions. If he had gone home when first asked to that would have been the end of it. I would have understood his being excited asbout having a new toy and wanting to show me.
But I did not get the chance to escort him home as I was also responsible for a party that was going on and had tresspassers to deal with at the same time. I made the mistake and gave the resident kid a chance to do the right thing without being escorted home by security.
I have to file a report with the consequenses of what will happen. If I threaten the police in the report the dad might see that his kid can get in to serious trouble. The condo rules are no weapons, I had to go afetr a guy last year for a compress bow and arrows.
I don't know how a residential complex can prohibit weapons...and I would be damned if I would even consider living there.
Get caught popping one of them with a bb gun and you wouldn't believe the trouble the Feds will give you.
Jeesh, I'm glad when I was 14 some * didn't have a cow over a kid with a BB gun. Kids have BB guns. Just think if the movie "A Christmas Story" was written today. Kid shoots BB gun in back yard, SWAT team responds, film at 11. Tell him to take it home, tell his dad, file your stupid report, call the Pope, you know, whatever makes you feel big and important.
Sorry, but I have to follow the rules of the association. If they say they don't want weapons used on the property then I have to follow that rule. They also ban pets in the common areas.
I filed the report because i told him to take it home, he didn't take it home but came back later with it and pointed it at someone else while showing it to him. (It's ok, the safety is on and I don't think it is loaded).
If he had just taken it home and left it there nothing would have happened. The association president read the report and is taking the matters into his hands now and talking to the dad. The kid moved in 3 weeks ago and has been in trouble every week from not listening. Eventually he will be banned from the rec area and the lake.
I don't know the rules in Ohio.
But whether it is or isn't the kid needs a good stern talking to, preferably before he does anything further stupid.
quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
Jeesh, I'm glad when I was 14 some * didn't have a cow over a kid with a BB gun. Kids have BB guns. Just think if the movie "A Christmas Story" was written today. Kid shoots BB gun in back yard, SWAT team responds, film at 11. Tell him to take it home, tell his dad, file your stupid report, call the Pope, you know, whatever makes you feel big and important.
Sorry, but I have to follow the rules of the association. If they say they don't want weapons used on the property then I have to follow that rule. They also ban pets in the common areas.
I filed the report because i told him to take it home, he didn't take it home but came back later with it and pointed it at someone else while showing it to him. (It's ok, the safety is on and I don't think it is loaded).
If he had just taken it home and left it there nothing would have happened. The association president read the report and is taking the matters into his hands now and talking to the dad. The kid moved in 3 weeks ago and has been in trouble every week from not listening. Eventually he will be banned from the rec area and the lake.
I agree with select-fire, I would have taken it and returned it to his dad later. I don't know about your local laws, but more than likely it would be a misdimeanor offense at most if at all to discharge a bb gun. If he was waving around or causing a disturbance then I'm sure other laws would come into effect. At least disturbing the peace.
I think its good that you care about him enough to post your question, I know you'll probably catch a little flack because everyone will have a little different view on it. You might call the local law enforcement just to find out if there are any city or state laws that would apply. If anything you might throw a soda can in the yard and teach the kid how to shoot...
quote:Originally posted by yawarakai
quote:Originally posted by sheepdip
Did you ask or did he say why he had the bb gun ?
He just got it. He wanted to shoot the geese. This kid is 14, the area is a condominium property rec area. I am security. I have talked with his dad about his inability to listen and take instructions. If he had gone home when first asked to that would have been the end of it. I would have understood his being excited asbout having a new toy and wanting to show me.
But I did not get the chance to escort him home as I was also responsible for a party that was going on and had tresspassers to deal with at the same time. I made the mistake and gave the resident kid a chance to do the right thing without being escorted home by security.
I have to file a report with the consequenses of what will happen. If I threaten the police in the report the dad might see that his kid can get in to serious trouble. The condo rules are no weapons, I had to go afetr a guy last year for a compress bow and arrows.
I think the whole thing is Bovine Caca. Seems the facts are changing by the hour on this one. So, is the kid a employee or does he just live there? Now he "pointed" the BB gun at someone? Never said anything about that before. And who said the kid was running amuck with the BB gun? Was he shooting people, windows, cars, geese, or chasing grannys down the street? Don't seem so in the first post. Nope, sorry, this one ain't gonna fly around here. So good for you Mr. rent-a-cop, your just another pawn in the demise of our second ammendment rights. And the sorry thing about it is, you don't even know it.
OK so I filed a report to CYA with my company, it standard procedure. Tell me any of the LEO's out there would not get something on paper just in case there is a second incident. The association president wants paper trails for problems. We have a lawyer living there who feels he can do whatever he wants and breaks the rental property agreements without a second thought. We are building a paper trail on him.
As for the 14 year old with the BB gun, he and his dad took it out to do some target practice the next day before I started work. A resident called the local cops. They sent out 2 cars and the officers read them the local ordinaces about BB guns.
If they found out at work that I knew he had that gun and didn't even warn him I would be in trouble. Now I have a report, filed a day before the police were called by someone else.
You want to get personal and call me a dumb * rent a cop fine, who cares. I am just out to do my job, in Ohio all the training you need to work security is a clean record and an Ohio card. I at least took the time and paid the fees to take the State 120 class to get better training.
As for talking tot he dad, I did talk to him the next day. He brought his sons down to fish after the police incident. While the kids fished we talked. He knows there is a problem and he is working on it and thanked me for the help. He took a copy opf the report to show his son to help him understand how serious it can be. As they were leaving the kid pulled the gun out again and said "since we didn't get any fish for supper, how about geese." The dad grabbed the gun and said give me that.
Now you know if I find any BB damage to the property the first person they will think of is this kid. I want to stop that from happening, if I can honestly say he is behaving and his dad can say he is not carrying the gun that will help.
That bb gun report was the third I have filed in a month. The other two were for 9mm bullet holes in various items. One is the basketball backboard plexiglass has holes in it. This backboard is 50 feet from a house. The cop who came to make a report said he was surprised to see that as a cop from a neighboring town lives in the next house.
And FCD, no you don't have to raise your hand to pee. We do have bathrooms in the picnic pavilion. But people pay over $100 for fees to live here so it is for residents only. The biggest part of my day is keeping non-resident kids out. They feel thay have the right to party anywhere. The place is actually quite nice, lake for fishing, picnic pavilion, BBQ grills, basketball court, baseball diamond, playground. It takes 1/2 hour to do my rounds.
The lake is an old stone quarry though and goes down 200 feet. The fire dept. divers have said that the top 3 feet are nice but go below that and the water gets freezing, you cramp up. The lake has a fence running around the deep parts, this kid has jumped the fence all ready to look at the water closer. That is one of the not listening issues.
20 years ago they found a headless corpse in the lake tied to a couple of bowling balls, but I can't find anything about in google.
So you actually paid money to become A rent A jackboot huh? Siek heil mine fureor.
I he brought it to where I work (a public school) he would be escorted out by the State Police and suspended.
I don't agree with all our rules but all of the kids know them and there is no reason to get into trouble.
We had a kid suspended fro 6 months for being in possession of a pocket knife.
Yawarakai, I agree that the kid needs some adult guidance here. He may be at a "crossroads" in his life - for whatever the reasons - and it would be a shame to punish him under the law for his uneventful yet bad judgement to date.
How this situation is handled today may determine the road he one day takes in life - or not. He may be a basically good kid or a gangster-in-the-making. No one can say for sure and you're not in charge of saving him from himself. You're just giving him one more chance to "straighten out and fly right".
I suggest that you speak with him as an older friend - not at him as an authority figure - and try to determine why he's looking for so much negative attention. Discuss BB guns with him, the responsibility of having one, the dangers associated with shooting the gun as well as all the fun he could legitimately and safely have. Remind him of the town's laws, the HOA's rules, your responsibilities, etc.
Yes, you will have to draw a very clear and obvious line in the sand at some point very soon to keep your livelihood safe and to keep him from possibly hurting someone or an animal or damaging others' property.
HOA's have lots of rules and regulations and fines - and the courts generally side with them - so I realize that you're kind of upgainst the 8-ball here a bit.
Good luck but don't jeopardize your livelihood or your clean background in the process. You have yourself and a family to take care of throughout your lifetime.
Yaw was doing his job and trying to help. Hats off to him.
KY Boy is wrong.
Most of the posts here are positive and supportive.
Yaw was doing his job and trying to help. Hats off to him.
KY Boy is wrong.
Siek heilquote:Originally posted by tacking1
Most of the posts here are positive and supportive.
Yaw was doing his job and trying to help. Hats off to him.
KY Boy is wrong.
KY guy:
What does "siek heil" mean?
Most of the posts here are positive and supportive.
Yaw was doing his job and trying to help. Hats off to him.
KY Boy is wrong.
Thank you tacking1. I enjoy my job and take pride in it. That is why I paid to take the certification course. Included in the course was firearms and first aid/cpr. One opf the things I am on the association now is upgrading their first aid kit to something usable, more than just a few baind aids would be nice. I asked for a cpr mask as a lot of seniors live there and some ice packs as people play in the ball diamond in the heat.
Yes I kick out non-residents but I also try to do my best to help people. Last week I blocked a lane on the highway for a disabled car until the police showed up. (I have a strobe mini lightbar on my persnal vehicle).
I talked with the dad today over some fishing poles and he told me the kid is bi-polar and ADD.
quote:Originally posted by KYfatboy
Siek heilquote:Originally posted by tacking1
Most of the posts here are positive and supportive.
Yaw was doing his job and trying to help. Hats off to him.
KY Boy is wrong.
KY guy:
What does "siek heil" mean?
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Whats this the yawarakai mobile. While driving it do you hum the batman theme to yourself.
Thank you tacking1. I enjoy my job and take pride in it. That is why I paid to take the certification course
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Unbelievable.
I talked with the dad today over some fishing poles and he told me the kid is bi-polar and ADD.
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So I guess the kid shouldn't own A bb gun huh?
A BB gun is not a firearm. Do not make it out to be one.
This kid is crying out for help.
It is your responsibility as an adult in a position of authority to do what you can to provide that help.
Long calm discussions about the various consequences of life are very helpful in that respect.
If you are the authority that makes the rules then it is your rule that no BB guns are permitted.
Do not involve the Police. If you do, you give them authority that they do not have, and Police these days tend to over step their authority.
It depends on where you live. In Virginia Beach, a bb gun is in FACT considered every bit a firearm as a 9mm. Cities are allowed to make their own ordinances and use of a bb gun within city limits (even in your own back yard) or possession by anyone under 16 years of age is a crime.
Whats this the yawarakai mobile. While driving it do you hum the batman theme to yourself.
Why yes I do. In fact I am looking to get wig wags and more strobes installed. I suppose you drive a TROLLmobile as every post you've made here was insulting and designed to raise my temper.
But I do park my car here.