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Makes me glad I passed on a used Solo a couple of weeks ago at the local gunshop. Gunsmith/friend that I work with in the machine shop told me Kimbers aren't what they used to be since they went to sintered? or cast parts?? Be glad you're able to walk away and still see. Good luck and PLEASE keep us posted on follow up.
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1-fan
slide stop/release
firing pin stop
thumb safety
extractor
mainspring housing
those parts should never be compromised by using MIM or plastic parts EVER Kimber uses mim and check your mainspring housing its probably plastic
Kimber made a fantastic gun before the KimberII, good parts great machining, they made a big name for themselves, in 05 they wanted a goal of 5,000 guns a week {they hit it}, cut the warranty from lifetime to one year , send out crap those that find it in the first year we will fix it
I have seen almost every part I listed fail on a Kimber, one mainspring housing literally break and fall out of the gun
your lucky you where not speed shooting, and send out another round
Best post on the entire thread. They went cheap, no excuse for it.
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Oakie, did the 'case' rupture,,,,,,,,,or, just exactly what happened to break the slide stop if it wasn't escaping gas from a split/ruptured case,,,,,,,,,
An inquiring mind and 1911 builder wants to know,,,,,,,,,[;)]
I've shot tons of the Lawman with no problems,,,,,,,,,,,
No clue. The case looks fine as does all of them. It was the first thing I looked at. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the case. The gun just seems to have failed in some manner. I have no clue. I am not a gun builder or manufacture. Just pulled the trigger and it went kaboom. I kept all 18 cases. Not one looks damaged in any manner, shape or form. Something happened when I fired it, but I have no clue. That is for them to figure out
quote:Originally posted by dcs shooters
Mind telling us just why you don't show the piece of brass you said went KABOOM [?][?]
Because the brass didn't go kaboom, the gun did. If you want a picture of a perfectly good spent casing, I will show it to you. Otherwise, it is perfectly normal.
Call them up tomorrow. Be nice until it's time not to be nice. If the first words out of your mouth are I'm calling a lawyer what do you think they are gonna say...it ain't gonna be oh sir we will take care of it now..it will be do what you gotta do. The gun is still under warranty and they should take care of it. That's a catastrophic failure that could have hurt someone and they SHOULD pay the freight. .Ruger does in the first year of ownership and they don't even have a specific warranty. When you get the gun back either sell it or buy Wilson parts and upgrade the stuff Kimber should have done to begin with.
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Oakie, do you remember ,,,,,,,,,,was that the first, last or middle round in the mag. when the SS broke ????
Second round in the mag. The mag hold eight rounds. I fired two complete mags and was on my third mag, second round when it exploded. I am going to post a picture of the case. I am NOT touching the gun. It is staying as is and being sent back to Kimber as is. If I tear it apart, They will accuse me of doing damage.
your upset and rightly so, probably just maybe more of the feeling of deceit from the company, you spent hard earned money on something until that moment you had full faith in, no one is going to beat you up over it
I would call that a part failure, not a kaboom, never the less im glad you had your eyes on, as far as your call to Kimber, keep in mind they already know that their guns are sub-par and will likely make good if you don't go off half cocked
they may or may not pay for shipping, they may want to inspect the gun for frame damage and stress cracks, that's the best case scenario
they may try to just send you the part, but all that could be just borrowing trouble, I don't want anyone here doing that
as far as the shell casing goes, you say its fine i'll take your word on it, you said "blew up" that insinuates a kaboom, different than a part failure
your upset and rightly so, probably just maybe more of the feeling of deceit from the company, you spent hard earned money on something until that moment you had full faith in, no one is going to beat you up over it
I would call that a part failure, not a kaboom, never the less im glad you had your eyes on, as far as your call to Kimber, keep in mind they already know that their guns are sub-par and will likely make good if you don't go off half cocked
they may or may not pay for shipping, they may want to inspect the gun for frame damage and stress cracks, that's the best case scenario
they may try to just send you the part, but all that could be just borrowing trouble, I don't want anyone here doing that
as far as the shell casing goes, you say its fine i'll take your word on it, you said "blew up" that insinuates a kaboom, different than a part failure
Thanks. Don't mean to sound like a jerk, just upset and pissed because I waited many years to get a Kimber, because i thought they were the best gun for the money. I am so disappointed and wanted to be able to take it to a friends next weekend to show it off to him. God, I am upset. I just can't believe the gun fell apart like this. My dad has three Kimbers for the pistol league and never had any problems with them. This one is going bye bye and I will get something better that I like. I just don't trust this gun anymore.
On a better note, I finally fixed my M1 Garand and that functioned flawlessly today. Put over eight enblocs through it with no problems[:)] Going to go relax now and try not to think about it anymore tonight. I will deal with it tomorrow. Wife said I am to upset to even talk to and being an *. [:X][:0][:0][:0] She is right, so good night guys and thanks for all the words. Oakie
Again,very glad you are o.k. I totally understand and do not fault you what so ever for being upset. You know how much I too love my Kimber and had this been me,,oh brother would I be upset. Get some rest,give them a call,let us know. Sorry this happened.
Personally, I think that Kimber's are over rated to begin with. Why spend that kind of money when you can do the same thing with a Colt or Springfield? Glad you were not hurt!
I would never count on a colt clone for self defense. That gun was made by JMB for one thing to clear the trenches.
Get a production poly gun that you can rely on.
Ros
Look on the bright side!! You have a great boat anchor now. Or doorstop... or wheel chok. or club...
Although always described as a cowboy, Roswellnative generally acts as a righter of wrongs or bodyguard of some sort, where he excels thanks to his resourcefulness and incredible gun prowesses.
Back in the 90's Kimber went from being the highest quality 1911 clone on the market to just another hit/miss quality pistol, all thanks to their general manager at the time, Ron Cohen.
In the name of a greater profit margin he caused their nose-dive from being a producer of a small line of superbly fitted and manufactured 1911 models that - unlike Colt - required no modifications or tuning to be duty/race ready. They soon began every cost cutting measure possible and bringing out what seemed like a different model every week, with use of the MIM process becoming a big part of this.
As has been stated, MIM itself is not a bad thing. It's been used for years in the aircraft manufacturing industry, but the problem is that high quality control is critical with this process and the firearms industry hasn't shown to be strong in this area.
An example I'm all to familiar with is that until about ten years or so ago SIG was a producer of a small line of pistols which were expensive, but regarded as the benchmark for out-of-the-box quality and reliability. Then along came Cohen as their new CEO and the effect of his profit driven, 'it'll do' style quickly became apparent.
All current production SIG pistols are filled with MIM components and I'm seeing parts breakage of even low stress components. To hell and back quality/reliability of any pistol that bore their name is what made that company what it was, but that quality no longer exists.
If you want a good, solid, reliable SIG pistol you have to get an older one. Same as with Kimber.
If I'm not mistaken the speculation regarding defective ammo would include some signs of case swelling, splitting or rupture at the primer pocket of something wouldn't it?
If the gun went Kaboom due to over pressure?
I think more likely as Forgemonkey has said the SS was perhaps caught in the action of the slide recoil and snapped off. At least that is the way it looks since this appears to be the only damage we are aware of to the gun?
Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
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Just buy another part and install it. I would see if another model interchanged with it... Colt or S&W.
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slide stop/release
firing pin stop
thumb safety
extractor
mainspring housing
those parts should never be compromised by using MIM or plastic parts EVER Kimber uses mim and check your mainspring housing its probably plastic
Kimber made a fantastic gun before the KimberII, good parts great machining, they made a big name for themselves, in 05 they wanted a goal of 5,000 guns a week {they hit it}, cut the warranty from lifetime to one year , send out crap those that find it in the first year we will fix it
I have seen almost every part I listed fail on a Kimber, one mainspring housing literally break and fall out of the gun
your lucky you where not speed shooting, and send out another round
Best post on the entire thread. They went cheap, no excuse for it.
Oakie, glad you are OK
Try to be patient and wait for your better replacement.[:p]
Oakie, did the 'case' rupture,,,,,,,,,or, just exactly what happened to break the slide stop if it wasn't escaping gas from a split/ruptured case,,,,,,,,,
An inquiring mind and 1911 builder wants to know,,,,,,,,,[;)]
I've shot tons of the Lawman with no problems,,,,,,,,,,,
No clue. The case looks fine as does all of them. It was the first thing I looked at. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the case. The gun just seems to have failed in some manner. I have no clue. I am not a gun builder or manufacture. Just pulled the trigger and it went kaboom. I kept all 18 cases. Not one looks damaged in any manner, shape or form. Something happened when I fired it, but I have no clue. That is for them to figure out
Mind telling us just why you don't show the piece of brass you said went KABOOM [?][?]
Because the brass didn't go kaboom, the gun did. If you want a picture of a perfectly good spent casing, I will show it to you. Otherwise, it is perfectly normal.
Oakie, do you remember ,,,,,,,,,,was that the first, last or middle round in the mag. when the SS broke ????
Second round in the mag. The mag hold eight rounds. I fired two complete mags and was on my third mag, second round when it exploded. I am going to post a picture of the case. I am NOT touching the gun. It is staying as is and being sent back to Kimber as is. If I tear it apart, They will accuse me of doing damage.
your upset and rightly so, probably just maybe more of the feeling of deceit from the company, you spent hard earned money on something until that moment you had full faith in, no one is going to beat you up over it
I would call that a part failure, not a kaboom, never the less im glad you had your eyes on, as far as your call to Kimber, keep in mind they already know that their guns are sub-par and will likely make good if you don't go off half cocked
they may or may not pay for shipping, they may want to inspect the gun for frame damage and stress cracks, that's the best case scenario
they may try to just send you the part, but all that could be just borrowing trouble, I don't want anyone here doing that
as far as the shell casing goes, you say its fine i'll take your word on it, you said "blew up" that insinuates a kaboom, different than a part failure
oakie
your upset and rightly so, probably just maybe more of the feeling of deceit from the company, you spent hard earned money on something until that moment you had full faith in, no one is going to beat you up over it
I would call that a part failure, not a kaboom, never the less im glad you had your eyes on, as far as your call to Kimber, keep in mind they already know that their guns are sub-par and will likely make good if you don't go off half cocked
they may or may not pay for shipping, they may want to inspect the gun for frame damage and stress cracks, that's the best case scenario
they may try to just send you the part, but all that could be just borrowing trouble, I don't want anyone here doing that
as far as the shell casing goes, you say its fine i'll take your word on it, you said "blew up" that insinuates a kaboom, different than a part failure
Thanks. Don't mean to sound like a jerk, just upset and pissed because I waited many years to get a Kimber, because i thought they were the best gun for the money. I am so disappointed and wanted to be able to take it to a friends next weekend to show it off to him. God, I am upset. I just can't believe the gun fell apart like this. My dad has three Kimbers for the pistol league and never had any problems with them. This one is going bye bye and I will get something better that I like. I just don't trust this gun anymore.
On a better note, I finally fixed my M1 Garand and that functioned flawlessly today. Put over eight enblocs through it with no problems[:)] Going to go relax now and try not to think about it anymore tonight. I will deal with it tomorrow. Wife said I am to upset to even talk to and being an *. [:X][:0][:0][:0] She is right, so good night guys and thanks for all the words. Oakie
does anything look wrong with this case?
Oak,
I would never count on a colt clone for self defense. That gun was made by JMB for one thing to clear the trenches.
Get a production poly gun that you can rely on.
Ros
Look on the bright side!! You have a great boat anchor now. Or doorstop... or wheel chok. or club...
In the name of a greater profit margin he caused their nose-dive from being a producer of a small line of superbly fitted and manufactured 1911 models that - unlike Colt - required no modifications or tuning to be duty/race ready. They soon began every cost cutting measure possible and bringing out what seemed like a different model every week, with use of the MIM process becoming a big part of this.
As has been stated, MIM itself is not a bad thing. It's been used for years in the aircraft manufacturing industry, but the problem is that high quality control is critical with this process and the firearms industry hasn't shown to be strong in this area.
An example I'm all to familiar with is that until about ten years or so ago SIG was a producer of a small line of pistols which were expensive, but regarded as the benchmark for out-of-the-box quality and reliability. Then along came Cohen as their new CEO and the effect of his profit driven, 'it'll do' style quickly became apparent.
All current production SIG pistols are filled with MIM components and I'm seeing parts breakage of even low stress components. To hell and back quality/reliability of any pistol that bore their name is what made that company what it was, but that quality no longer exists.
If you want a good, solid, reliable SIG pistol you have to get an older one. Same as with Kimber.
Thanks a lot, Cohen. [:(!]
If the gun went Kaboom due to over pressure?
I think more likely as Forgemonkey has said the SS was perhaps caught in the action of the slide recoil and snapped off. At least that is the way it looks since this appears to be the only damage we are aware of to the gun?