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Fedex Employee saves Old Glory
Dyer_Maker
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Fedex driver takes flag from protesters as they're about to burn it. Fedex backs driver up. Good video, enjoy.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/28/fedex-investigates-after-driver-saves-old-glory-from-being-torched-in-viral-video.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/28/fedex-investigates-after-driver-saves-old-glory-from-being-torched-in-viral-video.html
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I saw that event this AM on Fox. Funny thing is,...if Obama was still in office, I got a hundred bucks that says FedEx would have fired the guy.
yup
and bless his heart
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Just means I appreciate what he did.
Burning the flag in that manner IMO is disrespectful for what it means.
I also don't buy non USA Made Stars and Stripes either.
Something about an American Flag made by a Communist state...
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
I saw an American protecting his Country.
KC
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD.
But nothing is more "free" than being able to burn the flag. Some people really don't understand that.
Merc
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
I believe in freedom as much as any and it may currently be adjudicated as protected speech. But I DO NOT believe you have the right to start a potentially dangerous fire on a public street. What I see is a concerned citizen protecting other citizens from a dangerous (and stupid) situation.
KC
Potentially dangerous fire? If you watched the video The protesters had a fire extinguisher there to prevent it from becoming a potentially dangerous fire, if you think that was a potentially dangerous fire type think you are a drama queen, if you thought that was a potentially dangerous fire you should change your name to boltactiondramaqueen. If you thought that was a potentially dangerous fire, then you probably think that a person should wear a mouthguard when kissing a girl to protect his teeth are getting chipped! I mean come on, really? no, really? Sheesh, what a Drama Queen!!!! But I do Think burning the US flag is highly disrespectful of everything the United States stands for, plus disrespectful for all the men and women that have fought and died for it. But I also believe that they fought and died for freedom of speech, which includes the freedom to burn the American flag as a protest. And I also believe that FedEx driver is nothing more than a common thef for stealing somebody else's property. All this being said, I tip my hat to the man for his sense of patriotism, even though he lost sight that patriotism by taking away somebody's right to freedom of speech, and he act of strong arm robbery. Of course this is just the rants of TRUE patriot, myself
something they were going to burn, would to me, mean they consider it trash, is it a crime to steal someones trash? Not in my eyes, I applaud the gentleman and wish there were many, many more like him.
No you're wrong, your opinion means nothing in the eyes of the law, that was a symbol not a piece of trash they were going to burn.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
I fully agree.
(And)
WOW.......................HPD.
Anyone trying to burn an American flag in my (and any/all of my close friends & Veteran Brothers,) presence better be prepared for a confrontaion, because I'm not gonna just stand there. (Nor would any of my close friends.)
YVMD.
Similar in my mind to (years ago) in an "Art Gallery," a small statue of Jesus in a jar of Urine.
Some things are just not appropriate. If you are "okay" with that, then that is on you.
Sure as hell does not make you a "Patriot," in my mind.
Flame away. IDGAS.
quote:Originally posted by hillbille
something they were going to burn, would to me, mean they consider it trash, is it a crime to steal someones trash? Not in my eyes, I applaud the gentleman and wish there were many, many more like him.
No you're wrong, your opinion means nothing in the eyes of the law, that was a symbol not a piece of trash they were going to burn.
If you say it was just a symbol of this country isn't it also a symbol of those same rights this country gives its citizens, and as such the protesters are in essence burning those rights. But along the same lines isn't it also the right of the fedex employee to save the same symbol he holds more dear to him than the protesters.
when it comes to protesting you are dealing with feelings/way of life as much or more than law, and as such I don't think there is a right or wrong, only a side and as long as it is done peacefully and you are not hurting others go for it, but remember that symbol may mean nothing to you, but to someone else it may mean their entire life.
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by hillbille
something they were going to burn, would to me, mean they consider it trash, is it a crime to steal someones trash? Not in my eyes, I applaud the gentleman and wish there were many, many more like him.
No you're wrong, your opinion means nothing in the eyes of the law, that was a symbol not a piece of trash they were going to burn.
If you say it was just a symbol of this country isn't it also a symbol of those same rights this country gives its citizens, and as such the protesters are in essence burning those rights. But along the same lines isn't it also the right of the fedex employee to save the same symbol he holds more dear to him than the protesters.
when it comes to protesting you are dealing with feelings/way of life as much or more than law, and as such I don't think there is a right or wrong, only a side and as long as it is done peacefully and you are not hurting others go for it, but remember that symbol may mean nothing to you, but to someone else it may mean their entire life.
What the problem was, it wasn't the FedEx drivers flag it was the protesters flag, I respect my flag I would never I would never let it hit the ground I would do nothing disrespectful to it. But I do believe in the constitutional rights of the United States for others to do what they want to With their personal property and I should not interfere with that nor should I interfere with their freedom of speech by stifling it, Even if I find it disgusting what they're doing. You can't pick and choose what you want to believe in that is in the constitution. Either you except the Constitution as it's written in as it's understood and be a patriot, or you pick and choose what you want to believe in it and pick in shoes what do you think other people have rights to in which case you're not a patriot.. Now if it was The FedEx drivers personal flag, that he bought and paid for he would be in his rights to do what he did. But it was not his property, so he has no rights to dictate what happens to it.
"You are wrong...", I am "perfect"...", "everything else is just waste of breath...", "you have no validity...".
No one is omnipotent. You have an opinion. Fine. Give it. But don't say there is no other way.
quote:Originally posted by hillbille
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by hillbille
something they were going to burn, would to me, mean they consider it trash, is it a crime to steal someones trash? Not in my eyes, I applaud the gentleman and wish there were many, many more like him.
No you're wrong, your opinion means nothing in the eyes of the law, that was a symbol not a piece of trash they were going to burn.
If you say it was just a symbol of this country isn't it also a symbol of those same rights this country gives its citizens, and as such the protesters are in essence burning those rights. But along the same lines isn't it also the right of the fedex employee to save the same symbol he holds more dear to him than the protesters.
when it comes to protesting you are dealing with feelings/way of life as much or more than law, and as such I don't think there is a right or wrong, only a side and as long as it is done peacefully and you are not hurting others go for it, but remember that symbol may mean nothing to you, but to someone else it may mean their entire life.
What the problem was, it wasn't the FedEx drivers flag it was the protesters flag, I respect my flag I would never I would never let it hit the ground I would do nothing disrespectful to it. But I do believe in the constitutional rights of the United States for others to do what they want to With their personal property and I should not interfere with that nor should I interfere with their freedom of speech by stifling it, Even if I find it disgusting what they're doing. You can't pick and choose what you want to believe in that is in the constitution. Either you except the Constitution as it's written in as it's understood and be a patriot, or you pick and choose what you want to believe in it and pick in shoes what do you think other people have rights to in which case you're not a patriot.. Now if it was The FedEx drivers personal flag, that he bought and paid for he would be in his rights to do what he did. But it was not his property, so he has no rights to dictate what happens to it.
Do you understand Trademark law? You do not get to disparage and damage the name of any company just for the hellofit. The flag is NOT their possession. Once that TRADEMARK is on the cloth, it MUST be respected.
I don't know if they are actual laws, but the flag etiquette takes over once the symbolism is transferred to the cloth. YOU have an implied right to use the symbolism in accordance with the rules set forth for that symbolism.
Fisrt sale doctrine and fair use do not allow for you to desecrate the flag. That also goes for the dollar bill or legal tender for the USA..
Patriotism is coming back, get used to it. [:D]
Also, any disrespect to the flag of the Untied States of America is a hate crime. Whoever is doings so (disrespecting) willfully and knowingly is trying to provoke hatred. That is not covered under the constitution. Accidentally dragging the flag on the ground etc, is an infraction and should be dealt with by those around them. Wearing the flag as a garment, while may show patriotism, is not proper use or displaying of the flag, that needs to be reigned is also.
Flag ettiquette, familiarize yourself with it OK?
http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html
WOW.......................HPD.
Yeah, freedom's hard to stomach for some.
Don gets it, but of course I know he does. Read his response, it will save me repeating pretty much the same thought.
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
WOW.......................HPD.
Yeah, freedom's hard to stomach for some.
You seem confused. Anarchy is not freedom.
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
I fully agree.
(And)
WOW.......................HPD.
Anyone trying to burn an American flag in my (and any/all of my close friends & Veteran Brothers,) presence better be prepared for a confrontaion, because I'm not gonna just stand there. (Nor would any of my close friends.)
YVMD.
Similar in my mind to (years ago) in an "Art Gallery," a small statue of Jesus in a jar of Urine.
Some things are just not appropriate. If you are "okay" with that, then that is on you.
Sure as hell does not make you a "Patriot," in my mind.
Flame away. IDGAS.
You and your veteran friends served for a different reason than did I, apparently. The bulwark of America is respect for the individual; his freedom and his liberty. Our government is specifically enshrined for the protection of that liberty, not the trappings of government.
Freedom means nothing if one does not tolerate (note, this does not mean respect or even accept) that which is legal and with which they disagree.
The flag is a collection of 64 pieces of colored cloth. It is a symbol of the freedoms and liberty guaranteed by the government of the country it represents. One of these freedoms is the protestation of that very government, and the destruction of a symbol of that government is a legitimate protest, particularly because it grabs attention and is offensive to many.
Prohibiting such expression will not change how people think other than re-enforcing the notion that freedom is only for those who think like we do.
That is not freedom, and it is not what was intended when individual liberties and limitations on the State were codified in our Constitution.
I would suggest that a re-evaluation of the actual meaning of patriotism be considered. This veteran is no fan of flag burning, but understands the inherent dangers in suppressing thought and actions that run contrary to mine. No doubt these same folks scoff at snowflakes that recoil in horror at non-PC expression. Perhaps it just takes a little fire to expose that all snowflakes are not alike.
Brad Steele
You seem confused. Anarchy is not freedom.
Ok I'm confused, so could you point out to me where the anarchy is?
I'm not going to argue with you. It would be pointless.
You are entitled to your opinion.
As am I.
Our opinions differ.
They are clueless morons, but they have to right to be that way. The Fedex driver was wrong. The proper way for him to show his opposition would have been to proudly fly his own flag next to the burning one and counter their silly protest slogans with logic and reason and not unthinking emotion.
Personally I enjoy ridiculing those protesters for burning the flag of the country most accepting of all people. I think they are brainwashed leftist idiots who by burning the flag are actually proving that the opposite of their protest point is in fact true. Which means they are morons. This is a country where the rights of the individual are codified in the fundamental law of the land more solidly than anywhere else on the planet. That is why we are special.
They are clueless morons, but they have to right to be that way. The Fedex driver was wrong. The proper way for him to show his opposition would have been to proudly fly his own flag next to the burning one and counter their silly protest slogans with logic and reason and not unthinking emotion.
As much as I disagree with burning the American flag. Your statement and argument thereof, makes sense to me.
I also think anyone who would burn an American flag is a "Moron" of the first order.
If you don't like it here, leave. Good luck finding another Country as great as this one.
I personally would not have any problem with any Citizen interceding on a Flag burning.
It may be your "right" to burn the Flag. It may also be your "right" to get your A** beat doing so.
But if they pull down a flag that was flying and is not theirs, all bets are off.
how far will you let this go? {not just the ruling on burning flags}
only reasons i dont let it upset me is because it would consume me, and i would wind up in jail eventually, and the burning of flags would just carry on, second reason it proves what a f'd up society we live in today, and shows who and how far some loons will go to make a point and it identifies them in the process like it has in this thread
But if they pull down a flag that was flying and is not theirs, all bets are off.
Yep. If I was undecided whether I was going to risk jail and get involved, that would do it.
I also believe, if you were arrested for assaulting that poor misguided individual burning that Flag, Jury Nullification would come into play.
I know it would if I were on that jury.
quote:Originally posted by skicat
Personally I enjoy ridiculing those protesters for burning the flag of the country most accepting of all people. I think they are brainwashed leftist idiots who by burning the flag are actually proving that the opposite of their protest point is in fact true. Which means they are morons. This is a country where the rights of the individual are codified in the fundamental law of the land more solidly than anywhere else on the planet. That is why we are special.
They are clueless morons, but they have to right to be that way. The Fedex driver was wrong. The proper way for him to show his opposition would have been to proudly fly his own flag next to the burning one and counter their silly protest slogans with logic and reason and not unthinking emotion.
As much as I disagree with burning the American flag. Your statement and argument thereof, makes sense to me.
I also think anyone who would burn an American flag is a "Moron" of the first order.
If you don't like it here, leave. Good luck finding another Country as great as this one.
I personally would not have any problem with any Citizen interceding on a Flag burning.
It may be your "right" to burn the Flag. It may also be your "right" to get your A** beat doing so.
I guess you don't really understand my point after all. We either have liberty or we don't. We either have the rule of law or we don't. Don't copy the leftists who tout the rules right up to the point where they don't get their way and then the rules be damned.
and why not, it works out well for them, and they get their way in the end
the laws of the land do not over rule the laws of physics, just because a person has a green light it does nothing physically to protect them from someone running a red light
again when does it end ?
more freedom, coming at you
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
quote:Originally posted by skicat
Personally I enjoy ridiculing those protesters for burning the flag of the country most accepting of all people. I think they are brainwashed leftist idiots who by burning the flag are actually proving that the opposite of their protest point is in fact true. Which means they are morons. This is a country where the rights of the individual are codified in the fundamental law of the land more solidly than anywhere else on the planet. That is why we are special.
They are clueless morons, but they have to right to be that way. The Fedex driver was wrong. The proper way for him to show his opposition would have been to proudly fly his own flag next to the burning one and counter their silly protest slogans with logic and reason and not unthinking emotion.
As much as I disagree with burning the American flag. Your statement and argument thereof, makes sense to me.
I also think anyone who would burn an American flag is a "Moron" of the first order.
If you don't like it here, leave. Good luck finding another Country as great as this one.
I personally would not have any problem with any Citizen interceding on a Flag burning.
It may be your "right" to burn the Flag. It may also be your "right" to get your A** beat doing so.
I guess you don't really understand my point after all. We either have liberty or we don't. We either have the rule of law or we don't. Don't copy the leftists who tout the rules right up to the point where they don't get their way and then the rules be damned.
I understood your "point" just fine Sir.
Does not mean I agree with it, but I understood it.
I went on to further state my opinion.
You have your opinion.
Our "opinions" differ.
Oh well, I can live with that.
The flag is a collection of 64 pieces of colored cloth. It is a symbol of the freedoms and liberty guaranteed by the government of the country it represents. One of these freedoms is the protestation of that very government, and the destruction of a symbol of that government is a legitimate protest, particularly because it grabs attention and is offensive to many.
So I suppose breaking the police car windows and burning the town is all OK too in your eyes, it is a form of protest guaranteed in the constitution. What you fail to see is the fine line, and that needs to be established, and I sure hope Donald Trump gets that line in the sand right.
Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. ? 1 et seq)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105-225, ?#8239;2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
I'm sorry you don't think this code is worth enforcing. It is on the books.
So if you truly are/were a veteran of the USA, you are not fulfilling your oath. It does mean something to me and alot of other veterans who haven't been brainwashed by the left.
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
X ring.
quote:Don't copy the leftists who tout the rules right up to the point where they don't get their way and then the rules be damned
and why not, it works out well for them, and they get their way in the end
the laws of the land do not over rule the laws of physics, just because a person has a green light it does nothing physically to protect them from someone running a red light
again when does it end ?
more freedom, coming at you
There are consequences to having real freedom. The price we pay for being so unfettered is having to put up with the obnoxious behavior of others. Speech and behavior you agree with isn't in need of protection. Unpopular and disgusting speech does enjoy some protection. You are free to disagree with, condemn, and exercise any sanctions you feel are justified in response to someone else's behavior, but only up to that point where you are encroaching on their enumerated rights.
The examples you posted I also find offensive but I accept that as the cost of freedom. These days the SJW's,feminazis,minorities, and snowflakes of all varieties have made careers of being offended. To them I say suck it up. Freedom is more important than striving to go through life unoffended.
You asked "where does it end?" It doesn't. I don't believe I have seen any evidence of any natural limit on bad behavior. The only defense is to counter it with good behavior and give others the benefit of seeing you set a good example.
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
Sure it is.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
The flag is a collection of 64 pieces of colored cloth. It is a symbol of the freedoms and liberty guaranteed by the government of the country it represents. One of these freedoms is the protestation of that very government, and the destruction of a symbol of that government is a legitimate protest, particularly because it grabs attention and is offensive to many.
So I suppose breaking the police car windows and burning the town is all OK too in your eyes, it is a form of protest guaranteed in the constitution. What you fail to see is the fine line, and that needs to be established, and I sure hope Donald Trump gets that line in the sand right.
Destruction of property that one does not own is illegal, which would cover the breaking of a window in a police car.
If someone wants to break the window of a car they own, it would be perfectly legal, may make the news as a violent protest, and I would be fine with it, provided they clean up the glass before they leave.[:)]
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
Sure it is.
No it isn't
Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. ? 1 et seq)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105-225, ?#8239;2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
I'm sorry you don't think this code is worth enforcing. It is on the books.
So if any of you truly are/were a veteran of the USA, you are not fulfilling your oath. It does mean something to me and alot of other veterans who haven't been brainwashed by the left.
I have kept very quiet with this post only to state that when an American Flag in my care gets old, worn, and faded, I PRIVATLY burn it in a dignified manor.
Have always done so with the greatest RESPECT as to what it is and what it represents.
When this is done in protest in a public showing, I consider it an act of TREASON to my Flag and to my Country.
quote:Facts and case summary for Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989). Flag burning constitutes symbolic speech that is protected by the First Amendment.
Facts
Gregory Lee Johnson burned an American flag outside of the convention center where the 1984 Republican National Convention was being held in Dallas, Texas. Johnson burned the flag to protest the policies of President Ronald Reagan. He was arrested and charged with violating a Texas statute that prevented the desecration of a venerated object, including the American flag, if such action were likely to incite anger in others. A Texas court tried and convicted Johnson. He appealed, arguing that his actions were "symbolic speech" protected by the First Amendment. The Supreme Court agreed to hear his case.
Issue
Whether flag burning constitutes "symbolic speech" protected by the First Amendment.
Ruling
Yes.
Reasoning
(5-4)
The majority of the Court, according to Justice William Brennan, agreed with Johnson and held that flag burning constitutes a form of "symbolic speech" that is protected by the First Amendment. The majority noted that freedom of speech protects actions that society may find very offensive, but society's outrage alone is not justification for suppressing free speech.
In particular, the majority noted that the Texas law discriminated upon viewpoint, i.e., although the law punished actions, such as flag burning, that might arouse anger in others, it specifically exempted from prosecution actions that were respectful of venerated objects, e.g., burning and burying a worn-out flag. The majority said that the government could not discriminate in this manner based solely upon viewpoint.
Dissent
Justice Stevens
Writing for the dissent, Justice Stevens argued that the flag's unique status as a symbol of national unity outweighed "symbolic speech" concerns, and thus, the government could lawfully prohibit flag burning.
Also if you notice on the code it does not say "will Not" But says "Should"