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quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
The flag is a collection of 64 pieces of colored cloth. It is a symbol of the freedoms and liberty guaranteed by the government of the country it represents. One of these freedoms is the protestation of that very government, and the destruction of a symbol of that government is a legitimate protest, particularly because it grabs attention and is offensive to many.
So I suppose breaking the police car windows and burning the town is all OK too in your eyes, it is a form of protest guaranteed in the constitution. What you fail to see is the fine line, and that needs to be established, and I sure hope Donald Trump gets that line in the sand right.
Destruction of property that one does not own is illegal, which would cover the breaking of a window in a police car.
If someone wants to break the window of a car they own, it would be perfectly legal, may make the news as a violent protest, and I would be fine with it, provided they clean up the glass before they leave.[:)]
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
Sure it is.
No it isn't
Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. ? 1 et seq)
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105-225, ?#8239;2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
I'm sorry you don't think this code is worth enforcing. It is on the books.
So if any of you truly are/were a veteran of the USA, you are not fulfilling your oath. It does mean something to me and alot of other veterans who haven't been brainwashed by the left.
Flag burning has been protected speech since 1969.
I suspect you already knew that from your google search.
You probably are also aware that there have been 20 or so attempts to introduce a constitutional amendment to prohibit flag burning. Which have all failed.
So no. You are incorrect. It is not against the law. It is a protected right. Just like my right to bear arms.
Sorry you don't like it. But it is indisputable fact.
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
Sure it is.
No it isn't
Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. ? 1 et seq)
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105-225, ?#8239;2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
I'm sorry you don't think this code is worth enforcing. It is on the books.
So if any of you truly are/were a veteran of the USA, you are not fulfilling your oath. It does mean something to me and alot of other veterans who haven't been brainwashed by the left.
I seriously doubt those privileged idiots in the video took the oath we did.
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
Again fellas, it IS the law, just currently interpreted as free speech. That could change tomorrow (although not likely).
And thanks remingtonoaks, but I am not really a drama queen, and I saw those JO's with their fire extinguishers. My point is you can't set fire to anything else on a public street why is setting a fire with a flag different? You want to burn a flag, fine, do it at your house where it doesn't conflict with other citizen's right to travel on the sidewalk.
It is not the protest,just the location, I have a problem with.
Comments
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
The flag is a collection of 64 pieces of colored cloth. It is a symbol of the freedoms and liberty guaranteed by the government of the country it represents. One of these freedoms is the protestation of that very government, and the destruction of a symbol of that government is a legitimate protest, particularly because it grabs attention and is offensive to many.
So I suppose breaking the police car windows and burning the town is all OK too in your eyes, it is a form of protest guaranteed in the constitution. What you fail to see is the fine line, and that needs to be established, and I sure hope Donald Trump gets that line in the sand right.
Destruction of property that one does not own is illegal, which would cover the breaking of a window in a police car.
If someone wants to break the window of a car they own, it would be perfectly legal, may make the news as a violent protest, and I would be fine with it, provided they clean up the glass before they leave.[:)]
Me too! [:D]
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
Sure it is.
No it isn't
Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. ? 1 et seq)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105-225, ?#8239;2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
I'm sorry you don't think this code is worth enforcing. It is on the books.
So if any of you truly are/were a veteran of the USA, you are not fulfilling your oath. It does mean something to me and alot of other veterans who haven't been brainwashed by the left.
Flag burning has been protected speech since 1969.
I suspect you already knew that from your google search.
You probably are also aware that there have been 20 or so attempts to introduce a constitutional amendment to prohibit flag burning. Which have all failed.
So no. You are incorrect. It is not against the law. It is a protected right. Just like my right to bear arms.
Sorry you don't like it. But it is indisputable fact.
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
Well, IMO burning an American flag is despicable. It is also protected free speech. What I saw was a FedEx employee steal a flag, and he should be charged with theft. What FedEx decides to do with him, for doing non company business on company time, is their business.
Either you believe in freedom, or you do not.
Sorry, not protected free speech. The liberal media and some liberal judges may have thought so, but it is not.
I see it as if you are going to disrespect the flag of the nation, you are no longer afforded any protections of that nation, as you have visibly denounce said Nation.
Sure it is.
No it isn't
Chapter 1 of Title 4 of the United States Code (4 U.S.C. ? 1 et seq)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/8
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105-225, ?#8239;2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
I'm sorry you don't think this code is worth enforcing. It is on the books.
So if any of you truly are/were a veteran of the USA, you are not fulfilling your oath. It does mean something to me and alot of other veterans who haven't been brainwashed by the left.
I seriously doubt those privileged idiots in the video took the oath we did.
Brad Steele
And thanks remingtonoaks, but I am not really a drama queen, and I saw those JO's with their fire extinguishers. My point is you can't set fire to anything else on a public street why is setting a fire with a flag different? You want to burn a flag, fine, do it at your house where it doesn't conflict with other citizen's right to travel on the sidewalk.
It is not the protest,just the location, I have a problem with.
KC