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Son got raise at work & turned it down, more info

rambo rebelrambo rebel Member Posts: 4,028
edited February 2018 in General Discussion
try to shorten it up but after 8 years of working on the side as a part time
pizza delivery driver, (25 hours a week) he finally got a raise. he's been told by the owner he is the best driver they had - never lays out.

been asking for a raise for 2 years. makes $7.25 hr. boss caves more or less and gives him $.25 more per hour. a quarter.

he texts the guy back and says that he felt insulted by that and that he, the boss could keep it if that was the best he could do. well his boss, who owns the place sent him 6 snide texts berating him just a little. not bad but just childishly snide comments.

my son didn't send anything back until the next day so he could "get over" the comments and come up with a response w/o emotions being put into play.

his response was as good as you could come up with. all he said was;
"I apologize for being so ungrateful."

no response back so I think he got the message. I mean what else could you say w/o getting pissy right back?

I thought that was priceless. the boss was the ungrateful one here I think.

Comments

  • spasmcreekspasmcreek Member Posts: 38,925
    edited November -1
    i would have said ...ADIOS...
  • scooterdriverscooterdriver Member Posts: 866 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You should be proud of how he handled himself. He now knows just how much/little his boss values him. I hope he is looking for another job while he collects his $7.50/hour plus tips.
  • bpostbpost Member Posts: 32,201 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    That boy done GOOD!
    Now tell him to go to the competition and get a better paying job!!!!
  • nmyersnmyers Member Posts: 16,788 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    He has commercial insurance on the car, doesn't he?

    Neal
  • RobOzRobOz Member Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Does he have another job?
  • gearheaddadgearheaddad Member Posts: 15,125 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    8 years? Whats he do with the other 50-60 hours a week?
    O.k. no disrespect meant at all. seriously, I mean that. He's a working man, after all.
    How much more did he expect? It's pizza delivery. I thought that paid like $4.00 an hour plus tips.
    Does he get tips?
    He will have to work much harder for $15.00-$20.00 an hour around here......
    Once again, no disrespect meant. Is there more to the story?
  • Ricci WrightRicci Wright Member Posts: 9,670
    edited November -1
    Eight years doing one of the most dangerous jobs and the boss won't take care of him?? BYE.
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 14,790 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I haven't worked for $7.25 an hour since 1975.
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • 322nd322nd Member Posts: 82 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    Similar to waitresses who receive most of their wage from tips, I suspect your son does too. We really don't know what your son makes per hour (after tips). I think he made a mistake by reacting so badly the first go around. He could probably make more at an hourly rate by switching jobs to say, preparing or cooking the pizza but he will probably earn less overall since he won't get tips.
    Assuming I'm right and if he really wants/needs this job, he should suck up to the boss.
  • wpageabcwpageabc Member Posts: 8,968
    edited November -1
    Your sons boss is a dick...
    "What is truth?'
  • gearheaddadgearheaddad Member Posts: 15,125 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by wpageabc
    Your sons boss is a dick...

    What makes him a dick?
  • auctionplugauctionplug Member Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
    quote:Originally posted by wpageabc
    Your sons boss is a dick...

    What makes him a dick?


    What makes him a dick is him deliberately giving him a insulting low raise so he can lose his temper and fight with the boss. Then the boss can turn around and fire him in that case and report insubordination to the state where he will not get unemployment payments if he applies for it. [:(!]
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,125 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    OK, he basically is paid minimum wage by the company.

    What does he make in tips?

    If his customers are like most people I know, there is a tax free $10.00 or more per trip that he may be giving up over $ 0.25 per hour.

    Figure one trip per hour, the $17.25 with $ 10.00 tax free, SS free, Medicare/Medicaid free, Workman's comp free, Unemployment Insurance free, works out to at least a $ 20.00 per hour position.

    A lot to give up over $ 6.25 per week.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • Smitty500magSmitty500mag Member Posts: 13,597 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by auctionplug
    quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
    quote:Originally posted by wpageabc
    Your sons boss is a dick...

    What makes him a dick?


    What makes him a dick is him deliberately giving him a insulting low raise so he can lose his temper and fight with the boss. Then the boss can turn around and fire him in that case and report insubordination to the state where he will not get unemployment payments if he applies for it. [:(!]




    Since when did they start paying unemployment for part time jobs?
  • mogley98mogley98 Member Posts: 18,310 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Things must be different where you live, around here when my kid delivered Pizza she was lucky to get the change. Maybe a buck or two on top of the cost of the Pizza. A 20.00 order with a ten dollar tip is awesome.

    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    OK, he basically is paid minimum wage by the company.

    What does he make in tips?

    If his customers are like most people I know, there is a tax free $10.00 or more per trip that he may be giving up over $ 0.25 per hour.

    Figure one trip per hour, the $17.25 with $ 10.00 tax free, SS free, Medicare/Medicaid free, Workman's comp free, Unemployment Insurance free, works out to at least a $ 20.00 per hour position.

    A lot to give up over $ 6.25 per week.
    Why don't we go to school and work on the weekends and take the week off!
  • auctionplugauctionplug Member Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
    quote:Originally posted by auctionplug
    quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
    quote:Originally posted by wpageabc
    Your sons boss is a dick...

    What makes him a dick?


    What makes him a dick is him deliberately giving him a insulting low raise so he can lose his temper and fight with the boss. Then the boss can turn around and fire him in that case and report insubordination to the state where he will not get unemployment payments if he applies for it. [:(!]




    Since when did they start paying unemployment for part time jobs?








    I would not know, and it varies by state. But it may be if you make "X" amount of dollars you can get "X" much in unemployment.
  • shootuadealshootuadeal Member Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    What does he do for a regular job?
  • mag00mag00 Member Posts: 4,668
    edited November -1
    After working 8 years the guy has regulars no doubt.

    He still should have taken the raise, in fact how can he not if it is in his check?

    $5 a week is $250 a year, and that is a nice Christmas gift.
  • gearheaddadgearheaddad Member Posts: 15,125 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    So, what's the most a pizza place could possibly pay a delivery driver? I would think about $7.00/hour is about it! Who's vehicle and fuel is he using?
    Unless he is doing something(s) specifically to increase revenue and profits there has to be a limit or people will eventually stop ordering pizzas when the price gets to high.[;)]

    My friend owns a small pizza shop and his drivers get the whole delivery charge. Plus tips. They supply there own vehicle, insurance, and fuel.

    I understand that 25 or 50 cents sounds insulting for a raise, but the owner has expenses too. We don't know the whole story.....[;)]
    Maybe the rent just went up $200.00/month? insurance increase? had to buy/lease a new pizza oven? dough machine? braces for his kid(s)? and so on.........

    Not picking on any one, like I said before it sounds like Rambo's boy is a hard worker. We just don't know the whole story.....
  • Horse Plains DrifterHorse Plains Drifter Forums Admins, Member, Moderator Posts: 37,956 ***** Forums Admin
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
    i would have said ...ADIOS...
    Yeah 7-1/2 years ago.......
  • Don McManusDon McManus Member Posts: 23,125 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    OK, he basically is paid minimum wage by the company.

    What does he make in tips?

    If his customers are like most people I know, there is a tax free $10.00 or more per trip that he may be giving up over $ 0.25 per hour.

    Figure one trip per hour, the $17.25 with $ 10.00 tax free, SS free, Medicare/Medicaid free, Workman's comp free, Unemployment Insurance free, works out to at least a $ 20.00 per hour position.

    A lot to give up over $ 6.25 per week.


    Are you saying that his son evades taxes, or that you would, in this situation ?

    Tips are reportable income.

    As in "Wages, tips and earnings".

    Suggesting that pizza delivery is a reasonably lucrative (at $20/hr) job is a bit on the absurd side, don't you think ?

    I think his son did well in his second response, although the initial idea of expecting his boss to accept his request for a raise a bit naive.


    I always tip in cash. If the server or delivery person considers it a gift, I support that decision.

    Please don?t twist my words again. I didn?t say it was lucrative. He had, as stated, a side job that potentially gave a much greater return than the amount of the raise in question. He was there for 8 years, so it was apparently worth it to him, regardless of whether you consider it lucrative or not.
    Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.

    Brad Steele
  • He DogHe Dog Member Posts: 49,574 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    $7.25 and no gas allowance? What do the guys inside make?
  • john carrjohn carr Member Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    OK, he basically is paid minimum wage by the company.

    What does he make in tips?

    If his customers are like most people I know, there is a tax free $10.00 or more per trip that he may be giving up over $ 0.25 per hour.

    Figure one trip per hour, the $17.25 with $ 10.00 tax free, SS free, Medicare/Medicaid free, Workman's comp free, Unemployment Insurance free, works out to at least a $ 20.00 per hour position.

    A lot to give up over $ 6.25 per week.
  • john carrjohn carr Member Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by john carr
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    OK, he basically is paid minimum wage by the company.

    What does he make in tips?

    If his customers are like most people I know, there is a tax free $10.00 or more per trip that he may be giving up over $ 0.25 per hour.

    Figure one trip per hour, the $17.25 with $ 10.00 tax free, SS free, Medicare/Medicaid free, Workman's comp free, Unemployment Insurance free, works out to at least a $ 20.00 per hour position.

    A lot to give up over $ 6.25 per week.



    " What does he make in tips?" Some of the above post imply that just never report the tips you make. I had once this job that I had to drive (over and back) 125 miles a day reporting for work before I was finally transferred back to my home city. A man working the same job as me rode with me on those trips and we would B.;S. on the way over and back. He told me this story. I make no claim for the veracity of it, it's just the way he told it to me.

    "I was hired as assistant manager for a pizzeria (I think it was PH, my comment)) and there were about eight people working there. About every six weeks a big van would pull into the parking lot and each employee would have to go in one at a time and be subjected to a voice stress analyser. After a few questions they got down to tips and you had to report the amounts you received. If the test showed you to be lying then you were fired."

    I believed him; I couldn't come up with any reason he had to lie to me.
  • bullshotbullshot Member Posts: 13,172 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Your Son is way too nice.
    "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you"
  • NavybatNavybat Member Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I applaud your son for working. I also applaud him for his second response.

    I think the boss should have taken better care of him if in fact he was such a dependable worker.

    What is your son's primary job? Maybe it is worth him going to another company to deliver?

    Either way, I think he sort of ruined the relationship by responding to the boss the first way...and the boss continued that in his snide replies.

    Another job is indicated here. I wish your son success always.
  • CaptFunCaptFun Member Posts: 16,677 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Given the state of the firearms market last year. I was happy to get a 3% raise. ...
  • rambo rebelrambo rebel Member Posts: 4,028
    edited November -1
    his other job is $10 per hour. so 400 a week. he makes that in 20-25 hours at the pizza place. his car, his upkeep, and insurance.

    he can't very well ask the customers for a raise. the owner has told me business is better than ever - each year better than the last.

    so the 0.25 is 3% but you need to divide that by 8 years with nothing extra.

    the owner has the attitude that he's (son) making $12-15 an hour cash in tips and a $2 fee for the delivery so why should he, give any more?

    he says Papas only pays $5 hr so go work for them, but their drivers don't much of anything else. this guys place seats 60-70 people and the drivers have to wash ALL dishes. and there are a lot of those every single night. my son closes on the nights he works and so he does the bulk of those whereas the other drivers leave when it slacks off and they are usually so lazy when they know they don't have to close they don't help much with the dishes. and my sons point was that a new guy coming in makes what ???,,, yep, $7.25 an hour and that is not fair at all.

    the "gravy" hours there are from 5-8 or 9 depending and they close at 11. so you have newer drivers who are making the same money, only working the hours you make the most money from tips, leaving by 9-930 and his * is stuck there till 12 doing a lot of the inside closing work.
  • jimdeerejimdeere Member, Moderator Posts: 23,814 ******
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
    Given the state of the firearms market last year. I was happy to get a 3% raise. ...

    Oh, Capt. However will you manage?[8D]
  • remingtonoaksremingtonoaks Member Posts: 27,192
    edited November -1
    I think your son handled it just fine, just like a real man would have

    And I'm sure he would have a hard time quitting a job that he gets to see girls do pizza delivery man dares[:I][:I] I know I would[:D][:D][:p][:p][:p]
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