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The main reason libs are so up in arms over this is, are the implications it will have on the investigation of the Clinton Foundation.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
quote:Originally posted by savage170
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
Very "Nixonian" of Trump. May come with a similar outcome. [;)]
Must be the liberal talking point it's about the 20th time i've heard that all from libs
Weak. Almost as good as calling me a Nazi. Perhaps you weren't old enough to vote for Nixon as I did. Nixon embarrassed me as a Republican. What he did as our POTUS is beyond any reasonable excuse, he was a criminal in his actions. Period. Nixon's attempt to thwart off being caught by ordering the firing of Archibald Cox, the special prosecutor is technically what brought Nixon down. Trumps actions reek of similar circumstances. [B)]
Just stating a observation and no I wasn't old enough to vote for Nixon and I'm not a Trump fan but I prefer to see where this goes before making accusations because I don't think Comey is completely innocent either
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
Very "Nixonian" of Trump. May come with a similar outcome. [;)]
Comey stepped on his crank and was fired. Nixon stepped on his crank and fired people.
A significant difference, IMO.
......and then the people fired him. [B)]
In all honesty, he was the only president in our history to resign from office. I'd say that speaks volumes. [;)]
You are making my point. Nixon participated in a cover-up, and resigned before he was run out of town. Comey was fired because he caved to political pressure and stated that Hilary shouldn't be prosecuted while listing the mountains of evidence against her.
How then is Trump firing Comey even remotely 'Nixonian'?
Freedom and a submissive populace cannot co-exist.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Doesn't sound like Sessions is all that "recused".
Odd timing.
Sessions recused himself from a specific investigation, not his job. He is still the man in charge of the Justice Department.
Don't really understand why people are questioning the timing of this.
Comey reported to Rosenstein. Rosenstein has only been seated for two weeks. Rosenstein reviewed Comey's record and recommended he be replaced.
Sessions agreed.
Trump agreed.
Comey was fired.
Should Sessions have acted before Comey's direct supervisor was seated? Should Rosenstein have put up with a person in whom he did not have confidence for a politically acceptable amount of time?
The bottom line is that Comey caved to the pressure put upon him by Obama/Lynch and covered her * by recommending against prosecution. That act showed that he could be manipulated by political considerations and was/is unfit for the position. One can make the argument that Sessions should have acted sooner, but we know the political hysterics that would have sparked.
Mayhaps I missed what is specifically odd about the timing. Care to elaborate?
I agree Don.
What I found odd (should not have,) was that Chuck Schumer made the folliwing statement.
"Nothing has changed, if they were going to fire Director Comey, why not fire him on the first day, why now??"
Could you imagine the outcry (with the very same Chuck leading the way,) if that were to have happened.
What a bunch of hypocrites.
All the Political Gamesmanship is getting very old.
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
Nixon lied but nobody died. What Nixon did pales in comparison to all the things that the hildabeast did and there were people that died because of her. [:(!]
Nixon lied and nobody died? Really? That's going to be one of the most foolish statements I've ever read on this forum. I have over three dozen friends that I grew up with that came home in body bags from Vietnam during the Nixon administration and I'm confident their families would disagree with you, child. [B)]
You idiot I'm talking about Water Gate...stupid!! Nixon never started that war anyway but he did put an end to it!
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
Nixon lied but nobody died. What Nixon did pales in comparison to all the things that the hildabeast did and there were people that died because of her. [:(!]
Nixon lied and nobody died? Really? That's going to be one of the most foolish statements I've ever read on this forum. I have over three dozen friends that I grew up with that came home in body bags from Vietnam during the Nixon administration and I'm confident their families would disagree with you, child. [B)]
If we limit the comment to Watergate I'd suppose it's accurate. And unfortunately from Wilson to FDR, Kennedy and Johnson and Nixon - none of them exactly told us the truth on a whole host of issues.
I think the better although more obscure VietNam reference would be Nixon's behavior during the 1968 campaign, his interaction with Mrs Chenault and staff's reach out to Thieu. In effect, getting the word to Thieu that he should reject the Johnson Administration's peace talk efforts for a later "better deal" from a Nixon Administration. And the Johnson Administration knew what Nixon & crew were up to.
I don't mean it as a criticism, but from 1961 to 1974 we had what seems to me Presidents who were at best indifferent when it came to right or wrong. Call it being practical or immoral or compartmentalizing, lack of conscience or hubris - something was missing in each. And none of their administrations ended well. My Pop worked for the 1st two, I met all three and liked (as much as a kid can understand) two, but things just weren't what they seemed with our government back then. Hard to say whether it was the times or the leaders who made it so.
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
Very "Nixonian" of Trump. May come with a similar outcome. [;)]
Comey stepped on his crank and was fired. Nixon stepped on his crank and fired people.
A significant difference, IMO.
......and then the people fired him. [B)]
In all honesty, he was the only president in our history to resign from office. I'd say that speaks volumes. [;)]
You are making my point. Nixon participated in a cover-up, and resigned before he was run out of town. Comey was fired because he caved to political pressure and stated that Hilary shouldn't be prosecuted while listing the mountains of evidence against her.
How then is Trump firing Comey even remotely 'Nixonian'?
"We're back in the problem area because the FBI is not under control", transcript White House Tape, Haldeman to Nixon, June 23, 1972, one week after Watergate break-in, regarding the active FBI investigation of the crime.
Archibald Cox requested the tapes, he was fired by Nixon in response.
I suppose we're casually using a bit of shorthand, but Robert Bork fired Cox. Nixon first ordered Atty General Richardson, he resigned rather than fire Cox. And the same with Deputy AG Ruckelshaus. For whatever reason Solicitor General Bork agreed to do the deed. Some years later AG Richardson commented that in agreeing to fire Cox Mr. Bork did what was "good for the country" because it allowed him to remain as the acting AG and a bulwark against the executive branch.
Elliot Richardson is one of those lost to history but truly exceptional men. I don't recall the particulars, but when President Nixon, in calmer times, told Richardson that supporting the President was the equivalent to being patriotic, Richardson drolly responded with "well Mr President it would seem you and I have differing opinions of patriotism." Which I always thought was a fairly gutsy bit of conversation.
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And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
quote:Originally posted by savage170
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
Very "Nixonian" of Trump. May come with a similar outcome. [;)]
Must be the liberal talking point it's about the 20th time i've heard that all from libs
Weak. Almost as good as calling me a Nazi. Perhaps you weren't old enough to vote for Nixon as I did. Nixon embarrassed me as a Republican. What he did as our POTUS is beyond any reasonable excuse, he was a criminal in his actions. Period. Nixon's attempt to thwart off being caught by ordering the firing of Archibald Cox, the special prosecutor is technically what brought Nixon down. Trumps actions reek of similar circumstances. [B)]
Just stating a observation and no I wasn't old enough to vote for Nixon and I'm not a Trump fan but I prefer to see where this goes before making accusations because I don't think Comey is completely innocent either
Now he's their martyr.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
Very "Nixonian" of Trump. May come with a similar outcome. [;)]
Comey stepped on his crank and was fired. Nixon stepped on his crank and fired people.
A significant difference, IMO.
......and then the people fired him. [B)]
In all honesty, he was the only president in our history to resign from office. I'd say that speaks volumes. [;)]
You are making my point. Nixon participated in a cover-up, and resigned before he was run out of town. Comey was fired because he caved to political pressure and stated that Hilary shouldn't be prosecuted while listing the mountains of evidence against her.
How then is Trump firing Comey even remotely 'Nixonian'?
Brad Steele
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Doesn't sound like Sessions is all that "recused".
Odd timing.
Sessions recused himself from a specific investigation, not his job. He is still the man in charge of the Justice Department.
Don't really understand why people are questioning the timing of this.
Comey reported to Rosenstein. Rosenstein has only been seated for two weeks. Rosenstein reviewed Comey's record and recommended he be replaced.
Sessions agreed.
Trump agreed.
Comey was fired.
Should Sessions have acted before Comey's direct supervisor was seated? Should Rosenstein have put up with a person in whom he did not have confidence for a politically acceptable amount of time?
The bottom line is that Comey caved to the pressure put upon him by Obama/Lynch and covered her * by recommending against prosecution. That act showed that he could be manipulated by political considerations and was/is unfit for the position. One can make the argument that Sessions should have acted sooner, but we know the political hysterics that would have sparked.
Mayhaps I missed what is specifically odd about the timing. Care to elaborate?
I agree Don.
What I found odd (should not have,) was that Chuck Schumer made the folliwing statement.
"Nothing has changed, if they were going to fire Director Comey, why not fire him on the first day, why now??"
Could you imagine the outcry (with the very same Chuck leading the way,) if that were to have happened.
What a bunch of hypocrites.
All the Political Gamesmanship is getting very old.
What happened to "What is best for the Country?"
Sickening.
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
Nixon lied but nobody died. What Nixon did pales in comparison to all the things that the hildabeast did and there were people that died because of her. [:(!]
Nixon lied and nobody died? Really? That's going to be one of the most foolish statements I've ever read on this forum. I have over three dozen friends that I grew up with that came home in body bags from Vietnam during the Nixon administration and I'm confident their families would disagree with you, child. [B)]
You idiot I'm talking about Water Gate...stupid!! Nixon never started that war anyway but he did put an end to it!
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
Nixon lied but nobody died. What Nixon did pales in comparison to all the things that the hildabeast did and there were people that died because of her. [:(!]
Nixon lied and nobody died? Really? That's going to be one of the most foolish statements I've ever read on this forum. I have over three dozen friends that I grew up with that came home in body bags from Vietnam during the Nixon administration and I'm confident their families would disagree with you, child. [B)]
If we limit the comment to Watergate I'd suppose it's accurate. And unfortunately from Wilson to FDR, Kennedy and Johnson and Nixon - none of them exactly told us the truth on a whole host of issues.
I think the better although more obscure VietNam reference would be Nixon's behavior during the 1968 campaign, his interaction with Mrs Chenault and staff's reach out to Thieu. In effect, getting the word to Thieu that he should reject the Johnson Administration's peace talk efforts for a later "better deal" from a Nixon Administration. And the Johnson Administration knew what Nixon & crew were up to.
I don't mean it as a criticism, but from 1961 to 1974 we had what seems to me Presidents who were at best indifferent when it came to right or wrong. Call it being practical or immoral or compartmentalizing, lack of conscience or hubris - something was missing in each. And none of their administrations ended well. My Pop worked for the 1st two, I met all three and liked (as much as a kid can understand) two, but things just weren't what they seemed with our government back then. Hard to say whether it was the times or the leaders who made it so.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
Very "Nixonian" of Trump. May come with a similar outcome. [;)]
Comey stepped on his crank and was fired. Nixon stepped on his crank and fired people.
A significant difference, IMO.
......and then the people fired him. [B)]
In all honesty, he was the only president in our history to resign from office. I'd say that speaks volumes. [;)]
You are making my point. Nixon participated in a cover-up, and resigned before he was run out of town. Comey was fired because he caved to political pressure and stated that Hilary shouldn't be prosecuted while listing the mountains of evidence against her.
How then is Trump firing Comey even remotely 'Nixonian'?
"We're back in the problem area because the FBI is not under control", transcript White House Tape, Haldeman to Nixon, June 23, 1972, one week after Watergate break-in, regarding the active FBI investigation of the crime.
Archibald Cox requested the tapes, he was fired by Nixon in response.
I suppose we're casually using a bit of shorthand, but Robert Bork fired Cox. Nixon first ordered Atty General Richardson, he resigned rather than fire Cox. And the same with Deputy AG Ruckelshaus. For whatever reason Solicitor General Bork agreed to do the deed. Some years later AG Richardson commented that in agreeing to fire Cox Mr. Bork did what was "good for the country" because it allowed him to remain as the acting AG and a bulwark against the executive branch.
Elliot Richardson is one of those lost to history but truly exceptional men. I don't recall the particulars, but when President Nixon, in calmer times, told Richardson that supporting the President was the equivalent to being patriotic, Richardson drolly responded with "well Mr President it would seem you and I have differing opinions of patriotism." Which I always thought was a fairly gutsy bit of conversation.