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Greatest General in American History
Rack Ops
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Let's discuss. Who you got?
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quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
Let's discuss. Who you got?
Edit: I vote for Chuck Yeager
'War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.'
'War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.'
'I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. War is hell.'
Brad Steele
George Washington certainly would be in the top runnings. Without Mr. Washington his perseverance. No boots for his troops.
Yet a brilliant defeat of the Hessian mercenaries in Trenton NJ on a very cold Christmas raid across a semi frozen river in the dark...
One of George Washingtons excellent moves.
Puller performed a brilliant and seldom successful fighting withdrawal from the trap at the Chosin Reservoir.
Robert E Lee loved by most of his troops and a great mind in warfare (besides being southern I feel the need to brag about him )
George Patton should have let him off his chain and took the world ,[:D]
George Washington what had and what he faced and thanks to him we can be here admiring him and this great country
I am sure there is some great ones history has left out
"Never do wrong to make a friend----or to keep one".....Robert E. Lee
R.E Lee was no doubt a smart & well liked man but Stonewall Jackson made Lee look great on the battlefield, Lee knew that too and after losing Jackson it was all downhill after that [:(]......what the Hell was Lee thinking going to Gettysburg [V]......a stupid move that a rookie would make.
Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson.
Damn right.
I will also mention that Albert Sidney Johnson was another whose loss was as great as Jackson's.
I'm always amused at how when this topic comes up, people name Confederate generals. Perhaps those folks missed the part about how they Confederate generals were fighting under a different flag and shooting at troops carrying the American flag. They were American generals like I'm a Chinese fighter pilot.
Actually the question was posed "in American history" not the history of United States. Which could include all the countries of North America, Central America and South America.
Although it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Rack Ops meant was in the history of United States. Not in all the Americas. But we're talking about southerners here, so you can't expect much [:D]
I'm always amused at how when this topic comes up, people name Confederate generals. Perhaps those folks missed the part about how they Confederate generals were fighting under a different flag and shooting at troops carrying the American flag. They were American generals like I'm a Chinese fighter pilot.
I'm always amused by people who think they know history when obviously they do not.
Most of Lee's Generals were in the US Army before the War of Northern Aggression and served with honor. Lee himself served in the US Army for 30 years.
How do you like flying those * airplanes?
Name another general officer that could arrive in a beaten nation, beaten with atom bombs, administer that country to become a steadfast ally and revere him as a great man and leader who treated them sternly, but fairly.
If that's not enough:
Inchon. The greatest strategic amphibious landing ever made.
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
I'm always amused at how when this topic comes up, people name Confederate generals. Perhaps those folks missed the part about how they Confederate generals were fighting under a different flag and shooting at troops carrying the American flag. They were American generals like I'm a Chinese fighter pilot.
I'm always amused by people who think they know history when obviously they do not.
Most of Lee's Generals were in the US Army before the War of Northern Aggression and served with honor. Lee himself served in the US Army for 30 years.
How do you like flying those * airplanes?
Yes they did serve the United States Army, but they were also traitors of the United States Army. I don't see how you consider a traitor A great General [:D]
I won't get into the are they Americans part. Too involved, but if you look at the Original Constitution and what the South wanted, you'll find their ideas were much closer to the Constitution than the way the North wanted it.
I think people bring up Southern Generals, because a General who can prevail, with fewer men, lesser equipment, inferior logistics, takes him above one who has an endless supply of men and equipment. This is true around the world and through history.
I suppose y'all are big fans of Lon Horiuchi too. Make a good general, he would, right?
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
He got stuff done. No nonsense kind of guy.
Douglas MacArthur, without MacArthur General Patton would've been unreatrained and ended up just a flash in the pan. Because General Patton would never stopped advancing even if it meant losing. But General MacArthur kept him in check. And it would take one hell of a leader to slow General Patton down
I just thought I would inform you that Gen MacArthur was not in command of Patton. Patton was in Europe. MacArthur was in charge of the pacific campaign.
Mr Perfect would have gotten rid of them.Then we would be better off today. Right??
Douglas MacArthur, without MacArthur General Patton would've been unreatrained and ended up just a flash in the pan. Because General Patton would never stopped advancing even if it meant losing. But General MacArthur kept him in check. And it would take one hell of a leader to slow General Patton down
You must mean Eisenhower.
along with a great display of tanks ours and "there's"
the car and many of Patton's personal items on display
looking at it was one of the moments you really stop and think about the man
quote:Originally posted by us55840
quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
boigraphy of Patton is an interesting read...he believed he was reincarnated to be the right warrior at the right place at the right time...and just shortly after he had won he was killed in a stupid doodah jeep accident...i hope he was RIGHT, for soon i fear AMERICA will need that warrior again...at the right place and time...
What jeep?
c&P
General George S Patton Car Crash Accident
Patton died on December 21,1945 from injuries sustained in a car accident that happened in Occupied Germany on December 9, 1945. The accident occurred one day before Patton was to return to the United States. In one account Patton was riding in a 1939 Cadillac Model 75 with his chief of staff, Major General Hobart R. happy while being driven by PFC Horace Woodring. Patton was sitting in the back seat with happy. At some point a 2.5 ton truck driven attempted a left-hand turn towards a side road in fornt of the Cadillac near Neckarstadt, Germany. The Cadillac crashed into the truck throwing Patton violently forward. Patton's head hit a metal partition between the front and back seats resulting in severe injuries. happy and the driver Woodring were unharmed. Patton was left paralyzed and died of a heart attack or embolism on December 21, 1945 at the military hospital in Heidelberg. His wife came but he wa sunable to speak to her. This is the offical version of the accident and death. There is much speculation that Patton due to his unpopular views and political potential was assassinated by either the USSR or US.
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
I'm always amused at how when this topic comes up, people name Confederate generals. Perhaps those folks missed the part about how they Confederate generals were fighting under a different flag and shooting at troops carrying the American flag. They were American generals like I'm a Chinese fighter pilot.
I'm always amused by people who think they know history when obviously they do not.
Most of Lee's Generals were in the US Army before the War of Northern Aggression and served with honor. Lee himself served in the US Army for 30 years.
How do you like flying those * airplanes?
Horsepuckey! When you leave your country to join another country, you leave. You don't get to come back when they're handing out laurels. Neither Lee nor Jackson did anything so magnificent before the War of Northern Aggression to rate all-time status. And both men had the advantage of going up against some very inept foes during the war.
quote:Originally posted by fideau
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
I'm always amused at how when this topic comes up, people name Confederate generals. Perhaps those folks missed the part about how they Confederate generals were fighting under a different flag and shooting at troops carrying the American flag. They were American generals like I'm a Chinese fighter pilot.
I'm always amused by people who think they know history when obviously they do not.
Most of Lee's Generals were in the US Army before the War of Northern Aggression and served with honor. Lee himself served in the US Army for 30 years.
How do you like flying those * airplanes?
Horsepuckey! When you leave your country to join another country, you leave. You don't get to come back when they're handing out laurels. Neither Lee nor Jackson did anything so magnificent before the War of Northern Aggression to rate all-time status. And both men had the advantage of going up against some very inept foes during the war.
Gen. Josef Wheeler USA , CSA, USA....only General in American history accomplished this feat.....my kin....It is the United States, not the Federal States...Lee was a Virginian,he resigned his commission,because he could not take up arms against his state.as did Jefferson Davis....Lincoln killed 650,000 Americans....
He was one of the planners and led the surprise attack on Ft. Ticonderoga..because of the capture, cannons were moved down to the heights of Boston, forcing the British to leave.
Organized the building of a raggedy * fleet of glorified rowboats that fought a running battle with a superior British fleet on Lake Champlain in October of 1776. He lost his command, but rattled the Brits so much, they withdrew back up to Canada.
It could be argued that his causing the delay of the British from coming down Lake Champlain in the Fall of 1776, gave the Americans more time to build an army to defeat the British at Saratoga the following year...
When they came down the Lake the next year, they were defeated at Saratoga where Arnold took part in the two major actions.
the second action he led the attack on the British redoubts, turning the British line....which eventually led to the British surrender. In this battle he was wounded in the leg..
The same leg he was wounded in when he led an attack on the city of Quebec several months earlier...after leading his army through the wilderness of Maine...
Some say he turned his coat because he had been passed over for promotion.....went into great debt spending his own funds on his troops...the Continental Congress gave him a hard time about being reimbursed since all his personal papers and account books were destroyed at the Battle of Valcour Island in the Fall of 1776.
Others say he had his head turned by a pretty Tory face of a young Peggy Shippen. He probably became a traitor for some of all of these reason.
You can visit the Saratoga National Battlefield park where there is a monument to General Arnold's leg.....his name is not mentioned on the monument. Just a wounded bandaged leg in a boot with the epaulet of a Continental Army Major General
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As for myself....setting aside the question of allegiance, I don't put Lee on that list. The Gettysburg disaster immediately removes him from consideration, IMO.
Stonewall also put forth a hell of a string of victories....but his inexplicable ineptness during the Seven Days may have cost Lee the surrender of McClellan's army.
The WW2 Generals are hard to qualify as well, because they were operating at such a material advantage over their opponents.
Bedford Forrest may be the best pure tactical General the US has ever produced...but I will have to throw my lot in with the First Soldier of our Republic, General Washington.
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
Douglas MacArthur, without MacArthur General Patton would've been unreatrained and ended up just a flash in the pan. Because General Patton would never stopped advancing even if it meant losing. But General MacArthur kept him in check. And it would take one hell of a leader to slow General Patton down
You must mean Eisenhower.
I'm sorry, you my friend are right. I did mean Eisenhower.
It's been so long sense High School, looks like I need a refresher course[:I]
I'm always amused at how when this topic comes up, people name Confederate generals. Perhaps those folks missed the part about how they Confederate generals were fighting under a different flag and shooting at troops carrying the American flag. They were American generals like I'm a Chinese fighter pilot.
HAHAHAHA Eat your black heart out.