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But it is my belief that they were aided by someone in power in the USA. I believe they were pawns who were given a chance to advance their cause for a greater project. Follow the money.
Barz so tell us how many refugees or illegals have you taken in to care for. When is enough with the job market closing up everyday and driving wages down.
You liberals spew crap and only thing you want is illegals and the dead voting in my opinion.
I would rather spend the money on American's and Legal immigrants that live here.
Open you house up and take them in and then let us know how that works out for you.
quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
Barzilla beat me to it.
But don't forget it was Saudi Arabia where the majority, if not all of the 911 attackers came from.
But alternative facts are always easier to swallow them the truth.
So far, you and Barz seem to wish to ignore the FACT that the EO does not choose the countries affected. The 7 countries are those already identified by the Congress and the Obama administration as those countries with the most active and dangerous terrorist involvement.
I assume you and the rest of the herd had major meltdowns then, right?
quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
Barzilla beat me to it.
But don't forget it was Saudi Arabia where the majority, if not all of the 911 attackers came from.
But alternative facts are always easier to swallow them the truth.
well known and obvious fact
and we accepted not to hold the entire country accountable for a few dozen men years ago
quote:UAE, Egypt and Saudi Arabia
and they have well proven to be good allies at this point, Iran,Iraq,Syria,Sudan,Libya,Yemen, Somalia have not proven anything but attempting to infiltrate our country and destroy our way of life
lets add all past aggressors to list, starting with england and japan
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
No question about that.
As far as turmoil and strife,....emotion (not logic) rules the day once again. I'm becoming inclined to believe that emotion is all these people have.[xx(]
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
No question about that.
As far as turmoil and strife,....emotion (not logic) rules the day once again. I'm becoming inclined to believe that emotion is all these people have.[xx(]
Well, they also have dishonesty and obfuscation. We have been seeing that from our two resident leftist GB trolls. The FACT that the 7 countries affected by the EO were singled out by the Obama administration and the Congress is easy to discover, and has been pointed out here, yet they have both continued to lie about it.
It is kinda funny to see one of the Snowflakes use the phrase #alternatefacts...when he himself is the worst offender.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
No question about that.
As far as turmoil and strife,....emotion (not logic) rules the day once again. I'm becoming inclined to believe that emotion is all these people have.[xx(]
When their position isn't supported by logic, all they have left is emotion. Not too surprising that is mostly what we see these days.
The executive order gives direction to existing agencies to prepare reports NOW,, as in START RIGHT NOW, and with defined requests for recommendations within the following time periods:
(h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.
There are several other deadlines 100 and 200 days out.
Positive Trump and certain agencies within the U.S. Government really appreciate all the help.
When was the last time Judiciary's, law enforcement, private citizens etc. have come together to help identify problems QUICKLY !!! and bring them to the attention of millions of citizens (Foreign and Domestic). MESSAGE "Things are different"
By the time people have got what they think is right,,, it's essentially all over. In the mean time a fire was lit under a lot of folks ***** to get them moving.
quote:Originally posted by TooBig
Barz so tell us how many refugees or illegals have you taken in to care for. When is enough with the job market closing up everyday and driving wages down.
You liberals spew crap and only thing you want is illegals and the dead voting in my opinion.
I would rather spend the money on American's and Legal immigrants that live here.
Open you house up and take them in and then let us know how that works out for you.
You're missing the point that the EO has stranded LEGAL immigrants.
If you have a green card, you're here legally.
If you have a visa, you're here legally.
Since this is being enforced at customs. NOT A SINGLE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IS AFFECTED.
Kind of like suspending NCIS background checks because you're trying to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
quote:Originally posted by droptop
The executive order gives direction to existing agencies to prepare reports NOW,, as in START RIGHT NOW, and with defined requests for recommendations within the following time periods:
(h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.
There are several other deadlines 100 and 200 days out.
Positive Trump and certain agencies within the U.S. Government really appreciate all the help.
When was the last time Judiciary's, law enforcement, private citizens etc. have come together to help identify problems QUICKLY !!! and bring them to the attention of millions of citizens (Foreign and Domestic). MESSAGE "Things are different"
By the time people have got what they think is right,,, it's essentially all over. In the mean time a fire was lit under a lot of folks ***** to get them moving.
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
No question about that.
As far as turmoil and strife,....emotion (not logic) rules the day once again. I'm becoming inclined to believe that emotion is all these people have.[xx(]
Well, they also have dishonesty and obfuscation. We have been seeing that from our two resident leftist GB trolls. The FACT that the 7 countries affected by the EO were singled out by the Obama administration and the Congress is easy to discover, and has been pointed out here, yet they have both continued to lie about it.
Bold talk for a hole expert. If I have posted anything here that is incorrect, please identify it. I will be glad to correct any errors.
You seem to have let out the part about "Obfuscation". The countries affected by the EO were already identified for additional restriction by order of the Obama administration and Congress. I am sure you will now tell us that your continued mentioning of Trump's business interests was intended just as some wonderful unconnected information, and not for the implication you obviously are using it for.
quote:No country with a Trump hotel or business was on the list.
What a coincidence.
It is kinda funny to see one of the Snowflakes use the phrase #alternatefacts...when he himself is the worst offender.
So far, you are the only one using that particular term in this thread. There's the real joke.
Did you miss this one by your buddy? Or will you take refuge in the pedantry of a different spelling?
quote:But alternative facts are always easier to swallow them the truth.
As is your usual MO, you avoid dealing with the facts as they are. I asked if you had a meltdown when the Obama administration restricted visas from these same 7 countries. You don't answer. Probably because like most people, you weren't even aware of it. You get your information from the idiot box in your living room, and then focus your phony outrage when someone or something you don't already like is available. Other countries can be added, but it seems the 7 that have been identified by a bipartisan majority ought to be a good place to start. Do you disagree? Hell, I am fine with restricting immigration from all countries for a few years. It has been done before when we had no real need for more warm bodies.
Have you been concerned as the Obama administration has discriminated against religious groups? Are you even aware of it? Again, I doubt it. The MSM has said nothing, so the ignorance abounds.
quote:Originally posted by bigoutside
quote:Originally posted by droptop
The executive order gives direction to existing agencies to prepare reports NOW,, as in START RIGHT NOW, and with defined requests for recommendations within the following time periods:
(h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.
There are several other deadlines 100 and 200 days out.
Positive Trump and certain agencies within the U.S. Government really appreciate all the help.
When was the last time Judiciary's, law enforcement, private citizens etc. have come together to help identify problems QUICKLY !!! and bring them to the attention of millions of citizens (Foreign and Domestic). MESSAGE "Things are different"
By the time people have got what they think is right,,, it's essentially all over. In the mean time a fire was lit under a lot of folks ***** to get them moving.
Reports NOT ON TIME, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES TWITTER.
Without googling, name either the Secretary of State or secretary of homeland security mentioned above.
[:D][:D]
The names are Rex Tillerson and John Kelly. At this point they are candidates and have not been sworn in to their posts, as the Ds in Congress are playing games with their nominations.
Reports NOT ON TIME, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES TWITTER.
Without googling, name either the Secretary of State or secretary of homeland security mentioned above.
[:D][:D]
Almost always google but "X" Exxon CEO,, Rex Tillerson and ??? Homeland,, thought a while,, didn't remember but should have. Gen. John Kelly ,, bet I remember from now on.
Amazing how many well organized protest are scattered all over the US lot of clips on TV lot of chatter on radio news. Where do they find all these people standing around holding signs and "yelling chants" willing to bet 95 per cent or more have no clue what they are protesting. Unbelievable there are so many clueless people following the Democrat propaganda machine.
No one can be as obtuse as you are being without effort. The countries subject to the EO restrictions are the ones chosen by Obama and Congress. Do they have business interests in the same countries as Trump? Or are other factors being used?
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
No one can be as obtuse as you are being without effort. The countries subject to the EO restrictions are the ones chosen by Obama and Congress. Do they have business interests in the same countries as Trump? Or are other factors being used?
Again, you are avoiding reality to play games.
Big surprise there.
You beat me to it![:)]
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
No one can be as obtuse as you are being without effort. The countries subject to the EO restrictions are the ones chosen by Obama and Congress. Do they have business interests in the same countries as Trump? Or are other factors being used?
Again, you are avoiding reality to play games.
Big surprise there.
No, you are missing the point. I did not argue anything about what Obama did. I simply identified that the nations targeted had never provided a refugee responsible for a US citizen's death by terrorism in this century, and thought that pretty absurd.
I then also answered a question by 1911a1fan regarding the countries that had supplied terrorists responsible for 98% of all terrorist deaths in this country, and subsequently added Russia, bring the percentage ignored by Trump's order to 99% for this century.
Regardless of what Obama did, if the stated purpose of the order is to be believed, then are you suggesting that Trump simply copied Obama's list and gave the process no further thought ?
Perhaps you should listen to Giuliani's account of the plan to develop the order before you make any more claims.
So why would he do so ? It could not reasonably accomplish the order's stated goal. The order even discussed the 9/11 attacks. Ignorance ? Buffoonery ?
If you copy someone else's homework, and they have all the wrong answers, you still get a failing grade when the teacher grades it.
Is that really the position you wish to take ?
Obama made me do it ?
You are being a bit disingenuous. You fail to mention your cute quips about countries where Trump has business interests. In the narrative you give, those serve no rational purpose, which leaves the question of why you felt driven to mention it. Obviously since those 7 countries were not originally identified and subjected to restrictions by the Trump administration, we know that other factors were used, and that it would be stupid to opine that the list stopped at those 7 because of some relation to Trump's businesses. Res Ipsa Loquitor
As to why those 7 nations were placed under restriction by Congress and the Obama Administration, and now stronger restrictions under this new EO, it seems that they have been identified as having ties to terrorist activities. Whether it is their citizens committing the acts themselves, or if there is training and support taking place, that seems a reasonable standard to apply. If you think that absurd, you surely raised this point when the 7 countries were initially placed on the restricted list, right? Again, I don't really expect you to answer, as to do so would make clear your bias and newly discovered outrage. I also note that the lack of casualties by refugees from these countries is not for a lack of trying. Would you feel better if the ones who have tried had been more successful?
As to why no others countries were listed at this time, surely adding another country needs to be done in concert with Congress and the intelligence community, as the 7 originals were in the original law passed in 2015 & 2016, and that takes time. The Trump administration is all of 9 days old. If the Trump administration were to unilaterally add another country, think of how loud you snowflakes would yell, given how loud the bleeting has been over 7 countries that have been on restricted status for several years.
The EO mentions the 911 attacks, not as a reason for these enhanced procedures as you seem to imply, but because it was the genesis of the strengthening of the visa screening process. You grasp this concept, right?
quote:Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.
Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States. The United States must be vigilant during the visa-issuance process to ensure that those approved for admission do not intend to harm Americans and that they have no ties to terrorism.
Just as foolish as your other assertions is your apparent claim that Trump is 'copying Obama's homework'. If he were indeed doing so, he would have changed nothing, and not increased the security restrictions and screening. The commonality begins and ends with the countries targeted. Tortured as your homework analogy is, I suppose this EO can best be described as giving different answers.
I would not be a bit surprised to see other countries added to the list for the enhanced screening procedures that derive from this process, just as I won't be surprised when you and a few others find fault with those additions. It is your nature.
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
So..... where was the out cry from liberals when Obummer took the same action in 2011? Banning refugee's from Iraq......[;)]
Bingo!
It only "OK" when a DEMOCRAT implements a ban. Remember when the peanut farmer kicked all the Iranian students with visas out of the country and placed further bans when the embassy was taken over.
Carter was extolled by his colleagues and DEMOCRAT controlled media
Trying to support Trump on this, but it seems to me like countries who have ACTUALLY sponsored terrorism in the US might need to be on the list.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
As to why no others countries were listed at this time, surely adding another country needs to be done in concert with Congress and the intelligence community, as the 7 originals were in the original law passed in 2015 & 2016, and that takes time. The Trump administration is all of 9 days old. If the Trump administration were to unilaterally add another country, think of how loud you snowflakes would yell, given how loud the bleeting has been over 7 countries that have been on restricted status for several years.
Yep!
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Comments
Barzilla beat me to it.
But don't forget it was Saudi Arabia where the majority, if not all of the 911 attackers came from.
But alternative facts are always easier to swallow them the truth.
So why is this not publicized more? hint: follow the money
http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-of-9-11-terrorists
But it is my belief that they were aided by someone in power in the USA. I believe they were pawns who were given a chance to advance their cause for a greater project. Follow the money.
You liberals spew crap and only thing you want is illegals and the dead voting in my opinion.
I would rather spend the money on American's and Legal immigrants that live here.
Open you house up and take them in and then let us know how that works out for you.
Barzilla beat me to it.
But don't forget it was Saudi Arabia where the majority, if not all of the 911 attackers came from.
But alternative facts are always easier to swallow them the truth.
So far, you and Barz seem to wish to ignore the FACT that the EO does not choose the countries affected. The 7 countries are those already identified by the Congress and the Obama administration as those countries with the most active and dangerous terrorist involvement.
I assume you and the rest of the herd had major meltdowns then, right?
Seems you are the one using #alternativefacts.
Barzilla beat me to it.
But don't forget it was Saudi Arabia where the majority, if not all of the 911 attackers came from.
But alternative facts are always easier to swallow them the truth.
well known and obvious fact
and we accepted not to hold the entire country accountable for a few dozen men years ago
quote:UAE, Egypt and Saudi Arabia
and they have well proven to be good allies at this point, Iran,Iraq,Syria,Sudan,Libya,Yemen, Somalia have not proven anything but attempting to infiltrate our country and destroy our way of life
lets add all past aggressors to list, starting with england and japan
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
http://tinyurl.com/ztmvmgd
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
http://tinyurl.com/ztmvmgd
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
[:D]
Nah the list would be a mile long[;)]
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
http://tinyurl.com/ztmvmgd
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
No question about that.
As far as turmoil and strife,....emotion (not logic) rules the day once again. I'm becoming inclined to believe that emotion is all these people have.[xx(]
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
http://tinyurl.com/ztmvmgd
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
No question about that.
As far as turmoil and strife,....emotion (not logic) rules the day once again. I'm becoming inclined to believe that emotion is all these people have.[xx(]
Well, they also have dishonesty and obfuscation. We have been seeing that from our two resident leftist GB trolls. The FACT that the 7 countries affected by the EO were singled out by the Obama administration and the Congress is easy to discover, and has been pointed out here, yet they have both continued to lie about it.
It is kinda funny to see one of the Snowflakes use the phrase #alternatefacts...when he himself is the worst offender.
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
http://tinyurl.com/ztmvmgd
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
Yep on both posts. They are so despicable they make Putin look like a close ally.
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
http://tinyurl.com/ztmvmgd
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
No question about that.
As far as turmoil and strife,....emotion (not logic) rules the day once again. I'm becoming inclined to believe that emotion is all these people have.[xx(]
When their position isn't supported by logic, all they have left is emotion. Not too surprising that is mostly what we see these days.
ha [:D]
(h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.
There are several other deadlines 100 and 200 days out.
Positive Trump and certain agencies within the U.S. Government really appreciate all the help.
When was the last time Judiciary's, law enforcement, private citizens etc. have come together to help identify problems QUICKLY !!! and bring them to the attention of millions of citizens (Foreign and Domestic). MESSAGE "Things are different"
By the time people have got what they think is right,,, it's essentially all over. In the mean time a fire was lit under a lot of folks ***** to get them moving.
FULL TEXT OF THE ORDER:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/27/donald-trump-executive-order-immigration-full-text
Reports NOT ON TIME, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES TWITTER.
Barz so tell us how many refugees or illegals have you taken in to care for. When is enough with the job market closing up everyday and driving wages down.
You liberals spew crap and only thing you want is illegals and the dead voting in my opinion.
I would rather spend the money on American's and Legal immigrants that live here.
Open you house up and take them in and then let us know how that works out for you.
You're missing the point that the EO has stranded LEGAL immigrants.
If you have a green card, you're here legally.
If you have a visa, you're here legally.
Since this is being enforced at customs. NOT A SINGLE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IS AFFECTED.
Kind of like suspending NCIS background checks because you're trying to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
This EO is bad policy, poorly executed.
The executive order gives direction to existing agencies to prepare reports NOW,, as in START RIGHT NOW, and with defined requests for recommendations within the following time periods:
(h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.
There are several other deadlines 100 and 200 days out.
Positive Trump and certain agencies within the U.S. Government really appreciate all the help.
When was the last time Judiciary's, law enforcement, private citizens etc. have come together to help identify problems QUICKLY !!! and bring them to the attention of millions of citizens (Foreign and Domestic). MESSAGE "Things are different"
By the time people have got what they think is right,,, it's essentially all over. In the mean time a fire was lit under a lot of folks ***** to get them moving.
FULL TEXT OF THE ORDER:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/27/donald-trump-executive-order-immigration-full-text
Reports NOT ON TIME, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES TWITTER.
Without googling, name either the Secretary of State or secretary of homeland security mentioned above.
[:D][:D]
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
This is really turning into a mess, a sign of what happens when you let people into a country they hate, and have no desire for assimilation into for many years.
Things are so muddied between factions with different agendas that the real picture is obscured.
Combine that with the fact our American culture (which has been on life support for decades) seems to be taking its dying breaths, and you don't have a good picture overall.
http://tinyurl.com/ztmvmgd
Turmoil and strife is a tool of the left, Marc. Always has been. Make lots of noise and pretend it matters.
What is being displayed more and more blatantly is the virulent anti-Western Civilization attitude held by the left. The mask is slipping.
No question about that.
As far as turmoil and strife,....emotion (not logic) rules the day once again. I'm becoming inclined to believe that emotion is all these people have.[xx(]
Well, they also have dishonesty and obfuscation. We have been seeing that from our two resident leftist GB trolls. The FACT that the 7 countries affected by the EO were singled out by the Obama administration and the Congress is easy to discover, and has been pointed out here, yet they have both continued to lie about it.
Bold talk for a hole expert. If I have posted anything here that is incorrect, please identify it. I will be glad to correct any errors.
You seem to have let out the part about "Obfuscation". The countries affected by the EO were already identified for additional restriction by order of the Obama administration and Congress. I am sure you will now tell us that your continued mentioning of Trump's business interests was intended just as some wonderful unconnected information, and not for the implication you obviously are using it for.
quote:No country with a Trump hotel or business was on the list.
What a coincidence.
It is kinda funny to see one of the Snowflakes use the phrase #alternatefacts...when he himself is the worst offender.
So far, you are the only one using that particular term in this thread. There's the real joke.
Did you miss this one by your buddy? Or will you take refuge in the pedantry of a different spelling?
quote:But alternative facts are always easier to swallow them the truth.
As is your usual MO, you avoid dealing with the facts as they are. I asked if you had a meltdown when the Obama administration restricted visas from these same 7 countries. You don't answer. Probably because like most people, you weren't even aware of it. You get your information from the idiot box in your living room, and then focus your phony outrage when someone or something you don't already like is available. Other countries can be added, but it seems the 7 that have been identified by a bipartisan majority ought to be a good place to start. Do you disagree? Hell, I am fine with restricting immigration from all countries for a few years. It has been done before when we had no real need for more warm bodies.
Have you been concerned as the Obama administration has discriminated against religious groups? Are you even aware of it? Again, I doubt it. The MSM has said nothing, so the ignorance abounds.
quote:Originally posted by droptop
The executive order gives direction to existing agencies to prepare reports NOW,, as in START RIGHT NOW, and with defined requests for recommendations within the following time periods:
(h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.
There are several other deadlines 100 and 200 days out.
Positive Trump and certain agencies within the U.S. Government really appreciate all the help.
When was the last time Judiciary's, law enforcement, private citizens etc. have come together to help identify problems QUICKLY !!! and bring them to the attention of millions of citizens (Foreign and Domestic). MESSAGE "Things are different"
By the time people have got what they think is right,,, it's essentially all over. In the mean time a fire was lit under a lot of folks ***** to get them moving.
FULL TEXT OF THE ORDER:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/27/donald-trump-executive-order-immigration-full-text
Reports NOT ON TIME, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES TWITTER.
Without googling, name either the Secretary of State or secretary of homeland security mentioned above.
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The names are Rex Tillerson and John Kelly. At this point they are candidates and have not been sworn in to their posts, as the Ds in Congress are playing games with their nominations.
[:D][:D][:D] This is fun.
quote:
FULL TEXT OF THE ORDER:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/27/donald-trump-executive-order-immigration-full-text
Reports NOT ON TIME, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES TWITTER.
Without googling, name either the Secretary of State or secretary of homeland security mentioned above.
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Almost always google but "X" Exxon CEO,, Rex Tillerson and ??? Homeland,, thought a while,, didn't remember but should have. Gen. John Kelly ,, bet I remember from now on.
This whole thing has a Soro's stink to it
The two positions that are required to take immediate action on this EO are unfilled!
I get the idea of draining the swamp. But this is more like the Chinese cultural revolution than the American Revolution.
Ya got to leave someone who knows how to turn on the lights and open the store!!
Soooo, maybe you ought to check with the democrats holding up the process.
[:D][:D][:D] This is fun.
Again, you are avoiding reality to play games.
Big surprise there.
No one can be as obtuse as you are being without effort. The countries subject to the EO restrictions are the ones chosen by Obama and Congress. Do they have business interests in the same countries as Trump? Or are other factors being used?
Again, you are avoiding reality to play games.
Big surprise there.
You beat me to it![:)]
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
No one can be as obtuse as you are being without effort. The countries subject to the EO restrictions are the ones chosen by Obama and Congress. Do they have business interests in the same countries as Trump? Or are other factors being used?
Again, you are avoiding reality to play games.
Big surprise there.
No, you are missing the point. I did not argue anything about what Obama did. I simply identified that the nations targeted had never provided a refugee responsible for a US citizen's death by terrorism in this century, and thought that pretty absurd.
I then also answered a question by 1911a1fan regarding the countries that had supplied terrorists responsible for 98% of all terrorist deaths in this country, and subsequently added Russia, bring the percentage ignored by Trump's order to 99% for this century.
Regardless of what Obama did, if the stated purpose of the order is to be believed, then are you suggesting that Trump simply copied Obama's list and gave the process no further thought ?
Perhaps you should listen to Giuliani's account of the plan to develop the order before you make any more claims.
So why would he do so ? It could not reasonably accomplish the order's stated goal. The order even discussed the 9/11 attacks. Ignorance ? Buffoonery ?
If you copy someone else's homework, and they have all the wrong answers, you still get a failing grade when the teacher grades it.
Is that really the position you wish to take ?
Obama made me do it ?
You are being a bit disingenuous. You fail to mention your cute quips about countries where Trump has business interests. In the narrative you give, those serve no rational purpose, which leaves the question of why you felt driven to mention it. Obviously since those 7 countries were not originally identified and subjected to restrictions by the Trump administration, we know that other factors were used, and that it would be stupid to opine that the list stopped at those 7 because of some relation to Trump's businesses. Res Ipsa Loquitor
As to why those 7 nations were placed under restriction by Congress and the Obama Administration, and now stronger restrictions under this new EO, it seems that they have been identified as having ties to terrorist activities. Whether it is their citizens committing the acts themselves, or if there is training and support taking place, that seems a reasonable standard to apply. If you think that absurd, you surely raised this point when the 7 countries were initially placed on the restricted list, right? Again, I don't really expect you to answer, as to do so would make clear your bias and newly discovered outrage. I also note that the lack of casualties by refugees from these countries is not for a lack of trying. Would you feel better if the ones who have tried had been more successful?
As to why no others countries were listed at this time, surely adding another country needs to be done in concert with Congress and the intelligence community, as the 7 originals were in the original law passed in 2015 & 2016, and that takes time. The Trump administration is all of 9 days old. If the Trump administration were to unilaterally add another country, think of how loud you snowflakes would yell, given how loud the bleeting has been over 7 countries that have been on restricted status for several years.
The EO mentions the 911 attacks, not as a reason for these enhanced procedures as you seem to imply, but because it was the genesis of the strengthening of the visa screening process. You grasp this concept, right?
quote:Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.
Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States. The United States must be vigilant during the visa-issuance process to ensure that those approved for admission do not intend to harm Americans and that they have no ties to terrorism.
Just as foolish as your other assertions is your apparent claim that Trump is 'copying Obama's homework'. If he were indeed doing so, he would have changed nothing, and not increased the security restrictions and screening. The commonality begins and ends with the countries targeted. Tortured as your homework analogy is, I suppose this EO can best be described as giving different answers.
I would not be a bit surprised to see other countries added to the list for the enhanced screening procedures that derive from this process, just as I won't be surprised when you and a few others find fault with those additions. It is your nature.
You will never win, in his mind.[;)]
Dads3040
You will never win, in his mind.[;)]
I know, but the wife is out with on a gals night, and it is fun to screw with him sometimes.
I sometimes suggest to him that typing 'Oh Huh!' would save him time. [8D]
Upton Sinclair once said "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his position depends on him not understanding it."
So..... where was the out cry from liberals when Obummer took the same action in 2011? Banning refugee's from Iraq......[;)]
Bingo!
It only "OK" when a DEMOCRAT implements a ban. Remember when the peanut farmer kicked all the Iranian students with visas out of the country and placed further bans when the embassy was taken over.
Carter was extolled by his colleagues and DEMOCRAT controlled media
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
As to why no others countries were listed at this time, surely adding another country needs to be done in concert with Congress and the intelligence community, as the 7 originals were in the original law passed in 2015 & 2016, and that takes time. The Trump administration is all of 9 days old. If the Trump administration were to unilaterally add another country, think of how loud you snowflakes would yell, given how loud the bleeting has been over 7 countries that have been on restricted status for several years.
Yep!
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain