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quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by Mercury
And yet...the CEO STILL got his multi-million dollar bonus that year!
YIPPEE!!!!!!
[xx(]
Merc
quote:Originally posted by bpost
True Story. There was a metal stamping plant in S. Charleston WV making stampings for Benz. The company asked the union to help lower costs, was generally willing to work with the union to keep the plant open and try to make profit. They were not making money at that time or were hit or miss in the black every month.
About a year went by and the union refused to budge, the final request was a plea from the CEO of the company. The request was simple. The company was asking each employee to contribute $100.00 a month to help offset the cost of health insurance. He made it clear that unless some concessions were made the plant was going to be forced to close. The company could not afford to keep it open any longer.
The union refused, the plant was closed about six months later.
-on the local evening news-
The Union Boss said it was a win for the union! No crap, there were hundreds of jobs lost FOREVER but he said "we did not back down, so I consider this a victory for us". All of his Union workers were unemployed but in his twisted mind, he won.
Yea, unions are great!
And why should't he? You want a million dollar bonus, start your owm company and make it successful. The OWNERS own the co. Not the unions. Not the employees. I know the communist unions think they own the company, but actuallt, they don't. Thankfully. Communism doesn't make the poor people rich, it only makes everybody poor.
The CEO's dont own the company either, the stockholders do!!
Why is it that Big corporations fought tooth and nail when a bill was intoduced in congress to allow stockholders (aka the owners) to have a say in CEO pay??? Could it be that the CEO's are the real crooks who are destroying companys? Pretty funny how these same CEO's are always saying the unions are greedy, until you see what they make!! Then its not so funny, its sickening!!
It only sickens you because you're not a CEO. Why aren't you?
because Im not a greedy thief who blames others for being what I am.
Plus I like working for a living, and makeing money for my company, not screwing stockholders, workers, and taxpayers!
Seems like without the 'greedy theives' you'd starve to death. Easy to see why you'd need a union to protect you.
quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by Mercury
And yet...the CEO STILL got his multi-million dollar bonus that year!
YIPPEE!!!!!!
[xx(]
Merc
quote:Originally posted by bpost
True Story. There was a metal stamping plant in S. Charleston WV making stampings for Benz. The company asked the union to help lower costs, was generally willing to work with the union to keep the plant open and try to make profit. They were not making money at that time or were hit or miss in the black every month.
About a year went by and the union refused to budge, the final request was a plea from the CEO of the company. The request was simple. The company was asking each employee to contribute $100.00 a month to help offset the cost of health insurance. He made it clear that unless some concessions were made the plant was going to be forced to close. The company could not afford to keep it open any longer.
The union refused, the plant was closed about six months later.
-on the local evening news-
The Union Boss said it was a win for the union! No crap, there were hundreds of jobs lost FOREVER but he said "we did not back down, so I consider this a victory for us". All of his Union workers were unemployed but in his twisted mind, he won.
Yea, unions are great!
And why should't he? You want a million dollar bonus, start your owm company and make it successful. The OWNERS own the co. Not the unions. Not the employees. I know the communist unions think they own the company, but actuallt, they don't. Thankfully. Communism doesn't make the poor people rich, it only makes everybody poor.
The CEO's dont own the company either, the stockholders do!!
Why is it that Big corporations fought tooth and nail when a bill was intoduced in congress to allow stockholders (aka the owners) to have a say in CEO pay??? Could it be that the CEO's are the real crooks who are destroying companys? Pretty funny how these same CEO's are always saying the unions are greedy, until you see what they make!! Then its not so funny, its sickening!!
It only sickens you because you're not a CEO. Why aren't you?
because Im not a greedy thief who blames others for being what I am.
Plus I like working for a living, and makeing money for my company, not screwing stockholders, workers, and taxpayers!
Seems like without the 'greedy theives' you'd starve to death. Easy to see why you'd need a union to protect you.
You need to read all the post before you start foaming at the mouth!
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
the unions tell their non-thinking members to blame the company leadership.... that is all they can do, and too many buy it
The percentages I posted are company numbers. Hard to imagine that a skilled union workforce that accounts for 4% of the overall cost could drive a company out of the country.
I have been successful at both non-union and union jobs, but I prefer a union shop because it takes care of the problems that non-union shops have like favoriteism and brown noseing.
I, like you, have worked union and nonunion jobs, and, like you, appreciate the union preventing (or at least reducing) *-kissing in exchange for favors from bosses. I saw far too much favoritism in nonunion work. But I also acknowledge that union membership can contribute to lazy workers keeping their jobs unless the problem becomes so terribly blatant that management has to dump them -- often an arduous, lengthy, costly process at best. Unions and nonunions both have pluses and minuses.
If you are waiting for a union man to admit they have ANY faults, then you'll wait ti hell freezes over! The unions are just another arm of the democratic party and you can see where that has gotten us. It's too bad Wisconsin can't do what Reagan did to the Air Traffic Controllers union!!! Fire them all, and hire people that are willing to work for a FAIR wage without trying to drain the last drop of blood from their employers!!! JMO!![:(!]
This very thing happened right here in town Yale& Town makers of Trojan front end loaders. Great product for fair price. I worked for union and then worked my way into the company Test lab as test driver/engineers mechanic. Great place to work, good pay, good conditions. The union had to have it all their way, boom! plant moved south and then to Germany.Went to work for nonunion company after that and ended up running the place, including business of the year for the city award. In my opion, unions had their place,had being the operative word here. I have seen grown men whining like little boys when things didnt go their way, union rep will make everything ok big boy, come with me.
quote:Originally posted by 46270
I have a question for all you pro union
when dodge closed their plants and moved
everything south to mexico, did you blame
your unions at all, I know the companies
that moved out of the usa did so for their
bottom dollar, but did the unions hurt or
help you, I mean you dont have a job anymore.
when the unions kept asking for more and more
benefits, concessions.
I understand wanting to get as much benefits
as you can, but at the risk of losing your
job.
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quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by Mercury
And yet...the CEO STILL got his multi-million dollar bonus that year!
YIPPEE!!!!!!
[xx(]
Merc
quote:Originally posted by bpost
True Story. There was a metal stamping plant in S. Charleston WV making stampings for Benz. The company asked the union to help lower costs, was generally willing to work with the union to keep the plant open and try to make profit. They were not making money at that time or were hit or miss in the black every month.
About a year went by and the union refused to budge, the final request was a plea from the CEO of the company. The request was simple. The company was asking each employee to contribute $100.00 a month to help offset the cost of health insurance. He made it clear that unless some concessions were made the plant was going to be forced to close. The company could not afford to keep it open any longer.
The union refused, the plant was closed about six months later.
-on the local evening news-
The Union Boss said it was a win for the union! No crap, there were hundreds of jobs lost FOREVER but he said "we did not back down, so I consider this a victory for us". All of his Union workers were unemployed but in his twisted mind, he won.
Yea, unions are great!
And why should't he? You want a million dollar bonus, start your owm company and make it successful. The OWNERS own the co. Not the unions. Not the employees. I know the communist unions think they own the company, but actuallt, they don't. Thankfully. Communism doesn't make the poor people rich, it only makes everybody poor.
The CEO's dont own the company either, the stockholders do!!
Why is it that Big corporations fought tooth and nail when a bill was intoduced in congress to allow stockholders (aka the owners) to have a say in CEO pay??? Could it be that the CEO's are the real crooks who are destroying companys? Pretty funny how these same CEO's are always saying the unions are greedy, until you see what they make!! Then its not so funny, its sickening!!
It only sickens you because you're not a CEO. Why aren't you?
because Im not a greedy thief who blames others for being what I am.
Plus I like working for a living, and makeing money for my company, not screwing stockholders, workers, and taxpayers!
Seems like without the 'greedy theives' you'd starve to death. Easy to see why you'd need a union to protect you.
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by the middle
quote:Originally posted by RtWngExtrmst
quote:Originally posted by Mercury
And yet...the CEO STILL got his multi-million dollar bonus that year!
YIPPEE!!!!!!
[xx(]
Merc
quote:Originally posted by bpost
True Story. There was a metal stamping plant in S. Charleston WV making stampings for Benz. The company asked the union to help lower costs, was generally willing to work with the union to keep the plant open and try to make profit. They were not making money at that time or were hit or miss in the black every month.
About a year went by and the union refused to budge, the final request was a plea from the CEO of the company. The request was simple. The company was asking each employee to contribute $100.00 a month to help offset the cost of health insurance. He made it clear that unless some concessions were made the plant was going to be forced to close. The company could not afford to keep it open any longer.
The union refused, the plant was closed about six months later.
-on the local evening news-
The Union Boss said it was a win for the union! No crap, there were hundreds of jobs lost FOREVER but he said "we did not back down, so I consider this a victory for us". All of his Union workers were unemployed but in his twisted mind, he won.
Yea, unions are great!
And why should't he? You want a million dollar bonus, start your owm company and make it successful. The OWNERS own the co. Not the unions. Not the employees. I know the communist unions think they own the company, but actuallt, they don't. Thankfully. Communism doesn't make the poor people rich, it only makes everybody poor.
The CEO's dont own the company either, the stockholders do!!
Why is it that Big corporations fought tooth and nail when a bill was intoduced in congress to allow stockholders (aka the owners) to have a say in CEO pay??? Could it be that the CEO's are the real crooks who are destroying companys? Pretty funny how these same CEO's are always saying the unions are greedy, until you see what they make!! Then its not so funny, its sickening!!
It only sickens you because you're not a CEO. Why aren't you?
because Im not a greedy thief who blames others for being what I am.
Plus I like working for a living, and makeing money for my company, not screwing stockholders, workers, and taxpayers!
Seems like without the 'greedy theives' you'd starve to death. Easy to see why you'd need a union to protect you.
You need to read all the post before you start foaming at the mouth!
the unions tell their non-thinking members to blame the company leadership.... that is all they can do, and too many buy it
The percentages I posted are company numbers. Hard to imagine that a skilled union workforce that accounts for 4% of the overall cost could drive a company out of the country.
I have been successful at both non-union and union jobs, but I prefer a union shop because it takes care of the problems that non-union shops have like favoriteism and brown noseing.
I, like you, have worked union and nonunion jobs, and, like you, appreciate the union preventing (or at least reducing) *-kissing in exchange for favors from bosses. I saw far too much favoritism in nonunion work. But I also acknowledge that union membership can contribute to lazy workers keeping their jobs unless the problem becomes so terribly blatant that management has to dump them -- often an arduous, lengthy, costly process at best. Unions and nonunions both have pluses and minuses.
This very thing happened right here in town Yale& Town makers of Trojan front end loaders. Great product for fair price. I worked for union and then worked my way into the company Test lab as test driver/engineers mechanic. Great place to work, good pay, good conditions. The union had to have it all their way, boom! plant moved south and then to Germany.Went to work for nonunion company after that and ended up running the place, including business of the year for the city award. In my opion, unions had their place,had being the operative word here. I have seen grown men whining like little boys when things didnt go their way, union rep will make everything ok big boy, come with me.
quote:Originally posted by 46270
I have a question for all you pro union
when dodge closed their plants and moved
everything south to mexico, did you blame
your unions at all, I know the companies
that moved out of the usa did so for their
bottom dollar, but did the unions hurt or
help you, I mean you dont have a job anymore.
when the unions kept asking for more and more
benefits, concessions.
I understand wanting to get as much benefits
as you can, but at the risk of losing your
job.
+1 from somebody that has been there!