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Columbia, SC (AP,WLTX) -- South Carolina citizens could carry a concealed weapon without a permit under legislation advanced by a House panel.
The measure approved unanimously Thursday by a House Judiciary subcommittee applies to any South Carolina resident at least 21 years old who can legally own a gun. The bill now goes to the full Judiciary Committee.
Supporters say law-abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves from criminals who don't respect gun laws.
State Law Enforcement Division Chief Reggie Lloyd says he has no problem with the proposal. He says women especially need to be able to protect themselves.
Other law enforcement directors say they're concerned about people carrying concealed guns without training.
Residents we talked to whether they are gun owners or not, don't agree with the idea either.
"You have to have a drivers license and take a test to operate a vehicle in this state, so it would make sense to have to be trained to carry a gun," said Neal Truslow who has a concealed weapons permit.
"I think it's irresponsible on our lawmakers to give somebody the power to end another persons life without being properly checked out or trained," said Ben Patterson who does not own a gun.
"Somebody who has a permit, they've been trained, they know the safety and are more apt to be a better citizen," said Charles Adams who has a concealed weapons permit.
"If I didn't know how to use a gun I'd hope they'd get training for it," said Nancy Stoudenmire who is considering getting a concealed weapons permit to protect herself.
Currently there are only three states in the country who don't require a permit to carry a concealed weapon if its allowed at all. The latest came into effect just recently in Arizona.
The measure approved unanimously Thursday by a House Judiciary subcommittee applies to any South Carolina resident at least 21 years old who can legally own a gun. The bill now goes to the full Judiciary Committee.
Supporters say law-abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves from criminals who don't respect gun laws.
State Law Enforcement Division Chief Reggie Lloyd says he has no problem with the proposal. He says women especially need to be able to protect themselves.
Other law enforcement directors say they're concerned about people carrying concealed guns without training.
Residents we talked to whether they are gun owners or not, don't agree with the idea either.
"You have to have a drivers license and take a test to operate a vehicle in this state, so it would make sense to have to be trained to carry a gun," said Neal Truslow who has a concealed weapons permit.
"I think it's irresponsible on our lawmakers to give somebody the power to end another persons life without being properly checked out or trained," said Ben Patterson who does not own a gun.
"Somebody who has a permit, they've been trained, they know the safety and are more apt to be a better citizen," said Charles Adams who has a concealed weapons permit.
"If I didn't know how to use a gun I'd hope they'd get training for it," said Nancy Stoudenmire who is considering getting a concealed weapons permit to protect herself.
Currently there are only three states in the country who don't require a permit to carry a concealed weapon if its allowed at all. The latest came into effect just recently in Arizona.
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Columbia, SC (AP,WLTX) -- South Carolina citizens could carry a concealed weapon without a permit under legislation advanced by a House panel.
The measure approved unanimously Thursday by a House Judiciary subcommittee applies to any South Carolina resident at least 21 years old who can legally own a gun. The bill now goes to the full Judiciary Committee.
Supporters say law-abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves from criminals who don't respect gun laws.
State Law Enforcement Division Chief Reggie Lloyd says he has no problem with the proposal. He says women especially need to be able to protect themselves.
Other law enforcement directors say they're concerned about people carrying concealed guns without training.
Residents we talked to whether they are gun owners or not, don't agree with the idea either.
"You have to have a drivers license and take a test to operate a vehicle in this state, so it would make sense to have to be trained to carry a gun," said Neal Truslow who has a concealed weapons permit.
"I think it's irresponsible on our lawmakers to give somebody the power to end another persons life without being properly checked out or trained," said Ben Patterson who does not own a gun.
"Somebody who has a permit, they've been trained, they know the safety and are more apt to be a better citizen," said Charles Adams who has a concealed weapons permit.
"If I didn't know how to use a gun I'd hope they'd get training for it," said Nancy Stoudenmire who is considering getting a concealed weapons permit to protect herself.
Currently there are only three states in the country who don't require a permit to carry a concealed weapon if its allowed at all. The latest came into effect just recently in Arizona.
A fine step.[:)]
That said, some of the comments are indicative of why government exceeds its authority and why it has such a penchant for people control.
The Repriocity rules would apply as I see it.. Am working with the state legislators (hounding them) about dropping the permit here. And the subject came up as to what states would be able to carry here. I maintain that it should not matter as long as the person carrying in this state is legally allowed to own firearms. A land border should make no difference as we are all American citizens/
I'm surprised Indiana hasn't jumped on this. Indiana recognizes all states' handgun licenses. The only requirement for a lifetime carry license is to pay a $125 tax and pass a background check & fingerprint check.
We're working on constitutional carry, though.
If we do get the permit abolished I will be out a thousand dollars a year if they dont require training. Maybe they will require a training certificate at the dealers to purchase.. Still that aint right either. What ya gonna do to insure that the ding dongs that carry know what the hell its all about??????
Florida is a shall issue state. Requirements are the Firearms safety class, be EX-Military, or police. 117.00 fee. It is all about the revenue. [:(]
If we do get the permit abolished I will be out a thousand dollars a year if they dont require training. Maybe they will require a training certificate at the dealers to purchase.. Still that aint right either. What ya gonna do to insure that the ding dongs that carry know what the hell its all about??????
If they do something that constitutes a bad-act, then they get sanctioned/punished, as was always intended here in America, rather than prior restraint.
Nothing wrong with government advocating training, or with private organizations promoting training, or with anyone offering discounts or other purchase/insurance incentives for being trained.
Most anyone of proper age here can carry concealed and we don't have blood running in the streets and vigilantes running all over the place playing cop. Maybe it's just the people in this state that are smarter than the those people in other states that must take a class.
Have fun now[:D]
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Florida is a shall issue state. Requirements are the Firearms safety class, be EX-Military, or police. 117.00 fee. It is all about the revenue. [:(]
If we do get the permit abolished I will be out a thousand dollars a year if they dont require training. Maybe they will require a training certificate at the dealers to purchase.. Still that aint right either. What ya gonna do to insure that the ding dongs that carry know what the hell its all about??????
If they do something that constitutes a bad-act, then they get sanctioned/punished, as was always intended here in America, rather than prior restraint.
Nothing wrong with government advocating training, or with private organizations promoting training, or with anyone offering discounts or other purchase/insurance incentives for being trained.
X 10,000 LT.
We wait until they break the law, then try them, convict them, sentence them, and carry out the sentence.
I guarantee that some of the people that carry now, even having had NRA classes, even your class [:0] or former police or military are still ding dongs that don't know what it's about. We live in the real world, not a perfect world where some arbitrary combination of background check, fee, training, and registration prevents crime and accidents from happening.
BTW, I really like the way you say "It's all about the revenue" concerning the state fees, then go on to complain that you will personally lose a little bit of income if constitutional carry is passed. Maybe the irony was intentional. Maybe not.
COLUMBIA, SC --
A House subcommittee unanimously passed a bill Thursday that would allow any South Carolinian 21 or older who can legally buy a gun to carry it, without having to get a concealed weapon permit. The bill is called "The South Carolina Law-Abiding Citizens Protection Act."
Subcommittee chairman Rep. Thad Viers, R-Myrtle Beach, says, "We firmly believe that if criminals are going to get guns illegally, we have to even the playing field and allow South Carolina citizens to have a right to defend themselves as well."
Mamie Gibbs of Columbia thinks it really would level the playing field with criminals. "Right now, we have no protection against them and they have the upper hand in every situation as long as we are unarmed," she says.
State Law Enforcement Division Chief Reggie Lloyd says he has no problem with the bill. But the South Carolina Sheriffs Association does, since it would mean people who've had no training could carry guns around in public.
"It takes more to get a driver's license in this state than it does to carry a gun under this bill," says SC Sheriffs Association executive director Jeff Moore. He says he hopes some kind of training requirement will be added to the bill as it moves through the process. Having passed a House subcommittee, it now goes to the full House Judiciary Committee.
But Rob Butler, with a South Carolina group called GrassRoots GunRights, says requiring law-abiding citizens to get some kind of training before carrying a gun does not necessarily make them safer. "Increased training requirements mean fewer people get concealed weapon permits and therefore more people are being killed, murdered, raped and robbed and beaten," he says, since they don't have the weapons with which to defend themselves.
Rep. Mike Pitts, R-Laurens, is a retired Greenville police officer who sponsored the bill. He says it's important to remember that the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right not just to keep, but also to bear, arms."There is no requirement in the Constitution for training," he says. "Should a person have training? Yes. The better trained you are, the better off you are handling a firearm. The more proficient you are, the better off you're going to be when you're trying to protect yourself. But it is not a requirement."
He says Texas, Montana, Vermont and Alaska have no training requirements in order to carry and they've had no problems.
The bill would require someone to be a South Carolina resident and a U.S. citizen in order to carry a gun. "We don't want illegal aliens to get the interpretation that they can carry a firearm here," Rep. Viers said during the subcommittee meeting.The bill would also still allow businesses to prohibit concealed weapons, as they can now. It would also be illegal to carry a gun into a bar, although it would be allowed in a restaurant/bar, unless prohibited by management.
The bill would also add five years to the prison sentence of anyone convicted of using a weapon during the commission of a crime.
You have yet to see me complain about losing the piddly amount I get helping these people get their permits..
Some people just lurk in here to jump on people and have no clue...
And the simple true fact that the revenue generated by the state on these permits is great. It is not my fault.. I will gladly ,as stated before, give up the piddly income from the classes if they get rid of the permit requirement, and If the state requires some sort of saftey class (not my doing) then I will continue to be of service to those that wish to carry..
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
...Pretty much speaks for itself, doesn't it?
The better question would be...
From where does government derive the constitutional authority to 'require', or to 'mandate' training, which equates to a mandatory provision imposed BEFORE government would 'allow' a citizen to exercise the fundamental constitutionally enumerated right to keep and bear arms?
If you had read my prior posts, I am in the forefront in the battle to eliminate the permit even at the loss of my little bit of revenue.. I give the classes here to most for Free and only charge when I need to fill the material needs for the class.
You have yet to see me complain about losing the piddly amount I get helping these people get their permits..
Some people just lurk in here to jump on people and have no clue...
And the simple true fact that the revenue generated by the state on these permits is great. It is not my fault.. I will gladly ,as stated before, give up the piddly income from the classes if they get rid of the permit requirement, and If the state requires some sort of saftey class (not my doing) then I will continue to be of service to those that wish to carry..
Feeling a mite sensitive, eh?
I know you didn't point to me, but for the record, I didn't jump on you in this thread, I merely stated some truths and opinions.
And while we are at it, I ask in another thread "What do you do" to further the gun rights of people, you never answered except to say "O tell people"
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
You have yet to see me complain about losing the piddly amount I get helping these people get their permits..
If that isn't a complaint, you may want to clarify for those of us who read and speak English, because it sure appears to be a complaint. Most people don't comment that they're going to be losing a thousand dollars because they are excited to lose money. In fact, I can't think of one other person who would be happy to lose a thousand dollars, except maybe select-fire, because he's weird like that. [;)]
Then how come you went through training to become a cop?
LOL
quote:If we do get the permit abolished I will be out a thousand dollars a year if they dont require training.
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
You have yet to see me complain about losing the piddly amount I get helping these people get their permits..
If that isn't a complaint, you may want to clarify for those of us who read and speak English, because it sure appears to be a complaint. Most people don't comment that they're going to be losing a thousand dollars because they are excited to lose money. In fact, I can't think of one other person who would be happy to lose a thousand dollars, except maybe select-fire, because he's weird like that. [;)]
I lost thousands of dollars before in order to make money. That will screw you're head up today.[:D]
Pick a few words out of the entire story, reminds me of another group of people...
Then how come you went through training to become a cop?
Are you living self-sufficiently, or are you actually institutionalized, or in assisted-care?
You really ought to read what you type before hitting the 'post new reply' tab, you'd look far less foolish.[:)]
Rarely have I interacted with someone who seems as clueless as you, or who comes across as so pathetically and unintentionally clownish.
Sad, really.
SC has been pretty open on their gun laws in the past. One didn't need a carry permit to have a loaded pistol in the glove box of a vehicle. Permits were only needed to carry on the person. I see no problem abolishing the carry permit. My wife can now take her .38 to school on the property as long as it stays in the car.
Non-permit carry is a good thing.
I am glad SC is going there.
LT, you still dont get the point, my comments are What IFs.. I have said many times, I am up to my * in this fight to end the permits, even though I lose out, I lose out and the citizens gain.. GET IT?? Even me.. then I wont need the freaking permit anymore either..[;)]
And while we are at it, I ask in another thread "What do you do" to further the gun rights of people, you never answered except to say "O tell people"
I saw your question, classic. I chose not to reply to it because it has no bearing on the constitutional and individual liberty issues I raised.
I never felt the need to post a litany of actions I take in attempting to leash government.
I post here with a specific purpose of contrasting generally accepted thought and conventional wisdom with founding principles and constitutional limitations.
Fact is, I once posted a litany of gun rights 'bona fide' here, such as you are asking for. That was several years ago, I believe.
It served no purpose in addressing the constitutional or liberty position then, just as it does not do so now. I address government actions and commonly held societal positions and beliefs.
Your efforts to eliminate permits is laudable, just as your often perceived support of the NRA is to be criticized.
So what?
You may catch me off on a rant now and then reference a political candidate though.[:I]
both can be used by the individual to create massive casualties and can also be used to save lives and make life easier.
just another tool.
ALL STATES must allow concealed carry and open carry to be compliant with our second amendment rights.
Once we get that squared away, we can start to work on our silencers and automatic weapons.
Golly LT496, it is apparent that you do nothing then.. One must assume that when no information is forthcoming? Or is it you plead the 5th??[:D][:D][:D]
Bait away and it matters not to me what you think about it, really.
Either way, my advocacy and my focused activity here are dead-nuts on, reference my intentions and goals.[;)]
You can list 'look what I do' stuff all day long, but it doesn't change your ethic, your acceptance of government infringements, or your beliefs.
At least as it relates to what I have consistently seen you defend here.
Off to work, classic. Have a good day.[:)]
I can tell you it is an UPHILL battle, but we have gained much ground here in the State of Florida. Open carry is up for legislation now, if it passes (which it will) it will be much easier to abolish the carry permit. One step at a time..
The goal of non-permit concealed carry is a good one.
The problem of training is no problem, they want people to be trained that want to carry, give them FREE Safety classes and a certificate when they purchase a firearm from a Dealer.. No problem.
Or you could just recognize the simple wording of that one "supposed" right.. which one is it??
Training or not, people have a "right" to attempt to defend themselves against other people who do ignore all those stupid laws, as stated by the one called "supporters" in the article.
I can scream and holler all I want in here about the evils of government restrictions, but unless I actually get off my *, quit complaining and actually attempt to do something, all the rhetoric in the world isnt going to change a damn thing..Some people just dont get the concept that it is not only a group agenda, it should be a personal agenda.. That is why Tallahassee Florida and I are related..
Too many set back, complain, and do nothing else and expect the other guy to do it..[:(]
Dear Honorable Senator _______,
Today, with great pleasure, I read the following headline:
"South Carolina citizens could carry a concealed weapon without a permit under legislation advanced by a House panel."
I envision a day that the headline would read "Washington state citizens could carry a concealed weapon without a permit."
Law-abiding citizens *should* be able to protect themselves from criminals who don't respect gun laws, don't you agree?
I urge you to please consider introducing similar legislation in our state. I know that you would have broad support.
Thank you for considering my thoughts on this matter.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
When I travel from Florida and have to pass through S.C. I have to double think myself when I get out of the truck because I'm carrying.
Oh well!
i hope to be looking for a new state of residence within the next few years and you'd better believe that the state carry laws are going to be very high on my list of considerations.
i really hope this trend catches on. i dont see constitutional carry ever being a nationwide thing, just as i dont see national concealed carry(with or without a permit) happening; but if we can at least get a majority it will make things much better.
i hope to be looking for a new state of residence within the next few years and you'd better believe that the state carry laws are going to be very high on my list of considerations.
+1, we all know left coast or NE will never allow this, but lets hope at least here is SE [:D]
You know what's stupid.....South Carolina does not reciprocate concealed carry for other states.....What the???
When I travel from Florida and have to pass through S.C. I have to double think myself when I get out of the truck because I'm carrying.
Oh well!
I believe that will change. SC didn't reckognize states that didn't do training before.