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Some People shouldnt have guns

pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
edited May 2009 in General Discussion
Should not be allowed to have or handle firearms!! I was at a call this morning where a guy had been shot. As he's lying on the couch, he tells me he shot himself. I asked him what happened and he says he was looking at his 1911 took the magazine out and tossed it on the bed, and it went off hitting him in the stomach with a 230gr hollow point. Now this guy is 6'-3"/ 330lbs, and the bullet didnt exit. As he is being worked on the the fire guys, he tells me this isnt the first time he's shot himself doing almost the same thing. I think some of his story is BS and thers more to the story since he had been fighting with his old lady before being shot. I know some of you are going to complain about this, but if you saw this knucklehead, you too would say he shouldnt be allowed to ever have or handle firearms. By the way he only has three toes on his right foot because thats where he shot himself "the first time"
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  • MaxOHMSMaxOHMS Member Posts: 14,715
    edited November -1
    A 9MM would never have done that[:D]
  • AlpineAlpine Member Posts: 15,093 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You are going to be surprised and amazed at the number of stupid people that populate this country.

    I can name several on this board that shouldn't be allowed near a computer keyboard!
    ?The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.?
    Margaret Thatcher

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
    Mark Twain
  • bountyhunter101bountyhunter101 Member Posts: 149 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    There are a lot that should not be allowed to breath the same air as you & me. Sounds like he is a prime canidate for the Darwin Awards.
  • 47studebaker47studebaker Member Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    1st. in the foot
    2nd in the stomach



    3rd. we have a winner !
  • mango tangomango tango Member Posts: 3,833 ✭✭
    edited November -1
    About 3 months ago at our local indoor shooting range a guy handed another guy a loaded gun, barrel first, and it went off shooting the guy in the hand, IDIOTS!

    Your right, some people should never own a gun!
  • lvpattlvpatt Member Posts: 309 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    i think a person should have to attend/pass the basic nra or similar course before being allowed to own a gun.
    i know,i know,gun control,4th amend,etc.
    i think the biggest support the anti gun lobby will have is the unqualified, unregulated, gun buying boom of the last 9 months and the accidents these new gun owners will cause.

    pat
  • rkba4everrkba4ever Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Pat, you are just as bad as the gun-grabbers. Automatically assuming that these newbies are so dumb & dangerous that accidents will skyrocket. No wonder we can't get any traction to fight these anti- constitutional laws, you have too many gun owners that are related to Elmer Fudd............
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    I think more of these people should have gun. Gene pool needs cleaned somehow and we need to stop saving stupid people.
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lvpatt
    i think a person should have to attend/pass the basic nra or similar course before being allowed to own a gun.
    i know,i know,gun control,4th amend,etc.
    i think the biggest support the anti gun lobby will have is the unqualified, unregulated, gun buying boom of the last 9 months and the accidents these new gun owners will cause.

    pat



    What does search and seizure have to do with anything? You might want to brush up on things, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution

    i think a person should have to attend/pass a basic US history or similar course before being allowed to to post on a forum.
    i know,i know,freedom of speech,1st amend,etc.

    Does that look familiar at all or did I loose you?
  • glabrayglabray Member Posts: 679 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I seriously doubt that a 45 round going off without being confined as in a chamber would launch a 230 grain bullet fast enough to penetrate much of anything.
  • The Ultimate InfidelThe Ultimate Infidel Member Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    I doubt a bullet from a mag, especially a center fire would be bale to go off if dropped from a 2 story building let alone tossed on a bed. Sounds like antigun BS to me. So far for the expert training? yeah..ok lets take a look at one such session.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0
  • edharoldedharold Member Posts: 465 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Another BS story. It's amazing all of the stories I have heard about guns going off accidentally, most of them physically impossible but the press eat them up. The cop in the video should be fired and denied the right to carry.
  • cce1302cce1302 Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by glabray
    I seriously doubt that a 45 round going off without being confined as in a chamber would launch a 230 grain bullet fast enough to penetrate much of anything.

    I think the round that was in the chamber was the one that went off, not the one in the magazine. The idiot just didn't realize there's no magazine-trigger disconnect and that he shouldn't point it at his stomach and pull the trigger.
  • Marc1301Marc1301 Member Posts: 31,895 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cce1302
    quote:Originally posted by glabray
    I seriously doubt that a 45 round going off without being confined as in a chamber would launch a 230 grain bullet fast enough to penetrate much of anything.

    I think the round that was in the chamber was the one that went off, not the one in the magazine. The idiot just didn't realize there's no magazine-trigger disconnect and that he shouldn't point it at his stomach and pull the trigger.
    My take as well.
    "Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life down here." - William Shatner
  • SpartacusSpartacus Member Posts: 14,415
    edited November -1
    the guy needs to man up and put the gun to his head next time.
    just my opinion.
  • minitruck83minitruck83 Member Posts: 5,369
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by cce1302
    quote:Originally posted by glabray
    I seriously doubt that a 45 round going off without being confined as in a chamber would launch a 230 grain bullet fast enough to penetrate much of anything.

    I think the round that was in the chamber was the one that went off, not the one in the magazine. The idiot just didn't realize there's no magazine-trigger disconnect and that he shouldn't point it at his stomach and pull the trigger.



    1911?
    Still would have to involve a deliberate action, to compress the grip safety,(remember that?) point it his stomach and pull the trigger.

    Where'd the bullet hit?

    Frontal? I'm callin bs.




    Allen
  • joker5656joker5656 Member Posts: 5,598 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    You know at my CCW class when we where shooting we had an idiot. Here in SC you have to be-able to draw the pistol and shoot. Well this guy had a pocket .38 and had a pocket holster well he almost shot himself several times. the guy that did the class told him to use one of his guns and use an outside the band holster. no one would stand on the line with this guy. So yes there are people that shouldn't have a gun.
  • Beer BellyBeer Belly Member Posts: 183 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Remember 1/2 the people that you meet are below average intelligence.
  • D1D1 Member Posts: 11,412
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 47studebaker
    1st. in the foot
    2nd in the stomach



    3rd. we have a winner !


    Yup. Sounds like he's walkin' 'em in.
  • lvpattlvpatt Member Posts: 309 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    nwcid,
    i never make typeoos(sic).the billiting of troops is my main concern.

    rkba4ever, i think elmer fudd may complain to the moderators.

    you may be right,i have only a small sampling,from 1 gun store/large indoor range, but its been scary.

    ademdem 1-a should be added to #21,and just repeal the 2nd.

    pat
  • KSUmarksmanKSUmarksman Member Posts: 10,705 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    as long as the idiots shoot themselves I have no problem with it...if they succeed to clean the gene pool, more power to them
  • D1D1 Member Posts: 11,412
    edited November -1
    "A man's got to know his limitations."



    Thank you Clint, with that being said, some people shouldn't leave the house without adult supervision and a football helmet on. We see them everyday. We know who they are. Who's to say some of them don't see us at certain times and wonder what we're doing when we don't have a clue. Everybody knows a little. Some just know a little more than others.
  • NwcidNwcid Member Posts: 10,674
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lvpatt
    nwcid,
    i never make typeoos(sic).the billiting of troops is my main concern.



    Still confused. Where did troops come into this and what concern do you have. What does the 4th Amendment have to do with troops if that is what you are trying to say.
  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by glabray
    I seriously doubt that a 45 round going off without being confined as in a chamber would launch a 230 grain bullet fast enough to penetrate much of anything.


    Ok I guess I need to clear it up for a couple of you who are trying to picture it and cant seem to adjust the clarity. It was the "gun" that went off not the "magazine"!!! The 1911 didnt appear to be of high quality, so I dont know if it had any function problems or not, that will be determined later.
  • lvpattlvpatt Member Posts: 309 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    comon nwcid all this cant be going over your head.

    are u messing with me?

    if so u are 1 up.
  • quickmajikquickmajik Member Posts: 15,576 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    Yeah some people shouldnt have cars,


    Others shouldnt have sharp objects,

    and a few dont deserve to still be breathing.

    As you can see from your story it tends to correct itself.. You dont like the nature of reality? Tuff.

    Stupid people get robbed and raped too, so maybe you should step back from your own personal experiences and remember that. They deserve the right to defend themselves...

    And whatever you think about regulation being good for people you are wrong because reality isnt a theory.
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    Either they self-correct([;)]), or it falls under "the price we pay to live in a free society".

    It is as simple as that.
  • RtWngExtrmstRtWngExtrmst Member Posts: 7,456
    edited November -1
    Hopefully Darwins theory of Survival of the Fittest will prevail and low IQ's will eventually perish.
  • Survivalist86Survivalist86 Member Posts: 3,105
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Alpine
    You are going to be surprised and amazed at the number of stupid people that populate this country.

    I can name several on this board that shouldn't be allowed near a computer keyboard!


    Kind of like people who argue the Magnesium in the safe struck by lightening theory? [:D]
  • TrupoBPTTrupoBPT Member Posts: 381 ✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by bountyhunter101
    There are a lot that should not be allowed to breath the same air as you & me. Sounds like he is a prime canidate for the Darwin Awards.

    And we aren't even breathing the same air right now![:)]
  • mateomasfeomateomasfeo Member Posts: 27,143
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by Survivalist86


    Kind of like people who argue the Magnesium in the safe struck by lightening theory? [:D]



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  • A J ChristA J Christ Member Posts: 7,534
    edited November -1
    Guess the clean up squad is lucky he didn't have a 12 guage shotgun. That would have been messy.
  • machine gun moranmachine gun moran Member Posts: 5,198
    edited November -1
    If he croaks, we'll be short one Democratic voter.
  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by machine gun moran
    If he croaks, we'll be short one Democratic voter.


    Actually he had McCain stickers in his apartment[;)]
  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
    Yeah some people shouldnt have cars,


    Others shouldnt have sharp objects,

    and a few dont deserve to still be breathing.

    As you can see from your story it tends to correct itself.. You dont like the nature of reality? Tuff.

    Stupid people get robbed and raped too, so maybe you should step back from your own personal experiences and remember that. They deserve the right to defend themselves...
    And whatever you think about regulation being good for people you are wrong because reality isnt a theory.

    What in the heck are you babbling about?? I never said people did not have the right to protect themselves, I merely stated my opinion that some people should not be allowed to have or handle firearms. This bone head shot himself, not once but twice!! Whats next, he shoots himself dead or he ends up shooting an innocent person because he is too brain dead to safely and properly own and handle a firearm?? If he shoots himself then hey no brains no headache, but if he shoots another person because of his idiot behavior then thats unacceptable, unless of course you think this bone heads right to have a firearm is more important than an innocent persons life? That my friend is reality and not a theory. Quit making this more of the "The police are here to take my guns", I was merely passing along an incident from work, some of the sht I see on a daily basis, stuff Im quite sure you dont[;)]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:I never said people did not have the right to protect themselves, I merely stated my opinion that some people should not be allowed to have or handle firearms. This bone head shot himself, not once but twice!! Whats next, he shoots himself dead or he ends up shooting an innocent person because he is too brain dead to safely and properly own and handle a firearm?? If he shoots himself then hey no brains no headache, but if he shoots another person because of his idiot behavior then thats unacceptable, unless of course you think this bone heads right to have a firearm is more important than an innocent persons life? That my friend is reality and not a theory. Quit making this more of the "The police are here to take my guns", I was merely passing along an incident from work, some of the sht I see on a daily basis, stuff Im quite sure you dontYour "opinion" on firearms ownership raises questions beyond the remainder of your observation and commentary.

    Once again, it seems as if sanctions and/or being held responsible for the commission of a specific "bad-act" gets pushed aside and an inference of firearms restriction on some group or class is veiled in postulation.

    I absolutely think that that "boneheads" RKBA is of paramount importance. If said "bonehead" were to have shot someone other than himself, then appropriate punishment would be in order. Of course, it is far easier to simply limit or restrict access or ownership to firearms to "certain people", huh?

    The collective speaks.

    Government is not authorized to attempt to protect us from ourselves and frankly, was instituted to protect the individual/minority from the "tyranny" of the majority.

    How you doing today, Mr. Majority?[8)]

    Just so you know, having spent many years working patrol, then in criminal investigations, particularly investigating and supervising persons crimes and robbery-homicide. I haven't seen any such things myself, so your laser-like insight is obviously much more germane than anyone else's.[:)]
  • 1911 Gunslinger1911 Gunslinger Member Posts: 747 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by pipe7
    Should not be allowed to have or handle firearms!! I was at a call this morning where a guy had been shot. As he's lying on the couch, he tells me he shot himself. I asked him what happened and he says he was looking at his 1911 took the magazine out and tossed it on the bed, and it went off hitting him in the stomach with a 230gr hollow point. Now this guy is 6'-3"/ 330lbs, and the bullet didnt exit. As he is being worked on the the fire guys, he tells me this isnt the first time he's shot himself doing almost the same thing. I think some of his story is BS and thers more to the story since he had been fighting with his old lady before being shot. I know some of you are going to complain about this, but if you saw this knucklehead, you too would say he shouldnt be allowed to ever have or handle firearms. By the way he only has three toes on his right foot because thats where he shot himself "the first time"




    Hell, let's revoke freedom of speech for those who say things that we don't agree with.

    Have you ever been involved in a auto accident in which you were at fault? If so we need to permanently revoke your drivers license, since you are unable to keep your vehicle under control and you are a danger not only to yourself but to the public as well.

    Did you take time to think before you composed this post, or did you simply type the first thing that came to mind?
    Marx,Lenin,Stalin and Hitler would have loved you, they were all about taking people's rights and freedoms away for the "common good" as well.
  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by lt496
    quote:I never said people did not have the right to protect themselves, I merely stated my opinion that some people should not be allowed to have or handle firearms. This bone head shot himself, not once but twice!! Whats next, he shoots himself dead or he ends up shooting an innocent person because he is too brain dead to safely and properly own and handle a firearm?? If he shoots himself then hey no brains no headache, but if he shoots another person because of his idiot behavior then thats unacceptable, unless of course you think this bone heads right to have a firearm is more important than an innocent persons life? That my friend is reality and not a theory. Quit making this more of the "The police are here to take my guns", I was merely passing along an incident from work, some of the sht I see on a daily basis, stuff Im quite sure you dontYour "opinion" on firearms ownership raises questions beyond the remainder of your observation and commentary.

    Once again, it seems as if sanctions and/or being held responsible for the commission of a specific "bad-act" gets pushed aside and an inference of firearms restriction on some group or class is veiled in postulation.

    I absolutely think that that "boneheads" RKBA is of paramount importance. If said "bonehead" were to have shot someone other than himself, then appropriate punishment would be in order. Of course, it is far easier to simply limit or restrict access or ownership to firearms to "certain people", huh?

    The collective speaks.

    Government is not authorized to attempt to protect us from ourselves and frankly, was instituted to protect the individual/minority from the "tyranny" of the majority.

    How you doing today, Mr. Majority?[8)]

    Just so you know, having spent many years working patrol, then in criminal investigations, particularly investigating and supervising persons crimes and robbery-homicide. I haven't seen any such things myself, so your laser-like insight is obviously much more germane than anyone else's.[:)]





    Wow, so I guess you must know more than everyone else on the subject matter. Like I said before I knew some of "YOU" were going to make more out of this then it was intended for. I gues with all of "YOUR" experience you have never been to a similar type of call and shook your head thinking the same thing. By the way just for your information I too have worked Patrol, Criminal Investigations crimes against persons, homicides, robberies, rapes, child rimes, etc. So please spaer me by thinking you are the only one who has such great insight. [;)]
  • pipe7pipe7 Member Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November -1
    quote:Originally posted by 1911 Gunslinger
    quote:Originally posted by pipe7
    Should not be allowed to have or handle firearms!! I was at a call this morning where a guy had been shot. As he's lying on the couch, he tells me he shot himself. I asked him what happened and he says he was looking at his 1911 took the magazine out and tossed it on the bed, and it went off hitting him in the stomach with a 230gr hollow point. Now this guy is 6'-3"/ 330lbs, and the bullet didnt exit. As he is being worked on the the fire guys, he tells me this isnt the first time he's shot himself doing almost the same thing. I think some of his story is BS and thers more to the story since he had been fighting with his old lady before being shot. I know some of you are going to complain about this, but if you saw this knucklehead, you too would say he shouldnt be allowed to ever have or handle firearms. By the way he only has three toes on his right foot because thats where he shot himself "the first time"




    Hell, let's revoke freedom of speech for those who say things that we don't agree with.

    Have you ever been involved in a auto accident in which you were at fault? If so we need to permanently revoke your drivers license, since you are unable to keep your vehicle under control and you are a danger not only to yourself but to the public as well.

    Did you take time to think before you composed this post, or did you simply type the first thing that came to mind?
    Marx,Lenin,Stalin and Hitler would have loved you, they were all about taking people's rights and freedoms away for the "common good" as well.




    You are obviously another person who cant look at a simple post without crying "Their coming to take my guns away" It said "some people" in which I was meaning this idiot.Tell you what if you are such a bleeding heart for idiots who do things like this, then let them come live with you so you can watch them and teach them how to be "RESPONSIBLE" gun owners. I apologize that so many of you cannot look at posts without finding some form of hidden agenda about gun ownership. Obviously you didnt take the time to really read the post before you said the first thing that came to your mind[;)]
  • n/an/a Member Posts: 168,427
    edited November -1
    quote:Wow, so I guess you must know more than everyone else on the subject matter. Like I said before I knew some of "YOU" were going to make more out of this then it was intended for. I gues with all of "YOUR" experience you have never been to a similar type of call and shook your head thinking the same thing. By the way just for your information I too have worked Patrol, Criminal Investigations crimes against persons, homicides, robberies, rapes, child rimes, etc. So please spaer me by thinking you are the only one who has such great insight. Hmmm. I made the experience comment based on the following pearl of wisdom which "you" made an issue. quote:Quit making this more of the "The police are here to take my guns", I was merely passing along an incident from work, some of the sht I see on a daily basis, stuff Im quite sure you dontYou were the one who tossed out the old, 'I see this stuff on a daily basis and I'm quite sure you don't', line. Seemed to me that you were making some claim that because "you" are LEO, then your insight has more value and thus, your opinion gained validity.

    I merely pointed out that I have similar experience and don't see it the way you do.

    Why so touchy there pipe?[8)]
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