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One does not need violence to keep track of or control their kids...and what she did is violent, and she should be charged...A spanking on the butt with an open hand is something different, but a belt across the back and butt?..that is abuse...
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
One does not need violence to keep track of or control their kids...and what she did is violent, and she should be charged...A spanking on the butt with an open hand is something different, but a belt across the back and butt?..that is abuse...
I say it is necessary at times and it is abuse NOT to hand out corporal punishment.
I'm not gonna tell ya what I really think because my mother would slap my face for being impolite.
I think the reason some kids are out of control is they dont have the fear of getting there * whooped anymore. Hell my mom used a ping pong pattle to whoop my * dad used a belt. The reason i didnt do half the things i wanted to was because i knew i would get my * whooped
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
They dont have to fit my agenda, I just didnt think so many on here would condone abuse...or be so quick to become violent..
I got it with a switch, hot wheels race car tracks, paddles in school, belts, hair brushes, wooden spoons, wiffle ball bat, whatever was within reach of my mother when I deserved it. My dad used to keep a balloon stick on the dashboard of his 66 impala, and when my sister and I got to fighting in the back seat, there was no warning, only angry raised red spots. If they had not disciplined me I hate to see what I would be like now, considering how bad I am anyway [}:)].
Children are not wards of the state, nor is it the responsibility of the government, or nosy do gooders, to mandate what type of discipline can/cannot be delved out. Stay out of my life, and I will stay out of yours. By your words of condemning this mother for her choice of punishment you have shown yourself to be nothing more than a busy body socialist who feels it is their right to pass judgement on something that is none of your business
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
One does not need violence to keep track of or control their kids...and what she did is violent, and she should be charged...A spanking on the butt with an open hand is something different, but a belt across the back and butt?..that is abuse...
Even under your idea of "violent". spanking with an open hand is technically violent.
I don't see it that way, but now you are convicting this woman by how you personally define abuse and violence. The child had NO, I said no bruises.
If this child had been abused, I would side with you. The only thing hurt, were the child's feelings. Too bad for him. He got a learning lump.
I can only hope some busy body, nosy neighbor such as yourself, catches you spanking your kids some day.
i figure she prolly doesn't have any..like most expert on raisin children...i have 3 boys and i can tell you they are all different..the oldest i had to spank once in his life. from then on talkin was all it took. the second was the worst, because a swat would make it worse..[he is stubborn as a mule, and has his own mind] but can be put in his place by taking away..the third [jake ]is a mix,,a swat worked when he was young..mutual respect works now..they have all turned out to be pretty good boys
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
i figure she prolly doesn't have any..like most expert on raisin children...i have 3 boys and i can tell you they are all different..the oldest i had to spank once in his life. from then on talkin was all it took. the second was the worst, because a swat would make it worse..[he is stubborn as a mule, and has his own mind] but can be put in his place by taking away..the third [jake ]is a mix,,a swat worked when he was young..mutual respect works now..they have all turned out to be pretty good boys
And then I got bigger than you [:D][:D][:D] Kidding.
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
i figure she prolly doesn't have any..like most expert on raisin children...i have 3 boys and i can tell you they are all different..the oldest i had to spank once in his life. from then on talkin was all it took. the second was the worst, because a swat would make it worse..[he is stubborn as a mule, and has his own mind] but can be put in his place by taking away..the third [jake ]is a mix,,a swat worked when he was young..mutual respect works now..they have all turned out to be pretty good boys
And then I got bigger than you [:D][:D][:D] Kidding.
You sound like a feller talking with a paper *. [:D][;)]
My mother always made us go out and cut our own switches from the hedge; and we knew better than to bring in a really flimsy one. I never used a belt on my kids - either my hand or a shower thong(flip-flop) They really make a loud pop and sting pretty bad, but it's almost impossible to hurt a kid with one.
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
One does not need violence to keep track of or control their kids...and what she did is violent, and she should be charged...A spanking on the butt with an open hand is something different, but a belt across the back and butt?..that is abuse...
Why should she be charged? Because she used a belt instead of her hand? She left not a single bruise on the child. Physical abuse is nearly impossible without leaving physical injuries.
I think you have a overly sensitive view of what abuse is. Not trying to sound mean. You can have your opinion as much as anyone else, I just dont think anybody had the right to step in and tell this woman she was wrong about how to raise her kids that she knows better than any other adult.
When I was a kid (a long time ago) my Dad made a wooden ping pong paddle. It had my brother's name painted on one side and mine on the other. All he had to do was point at it and I started behavin' real quick! I remember my spankings and learned from them. I see NO abuse here. I say good for her, maybe the kid will learn something.
Tom
USA
4769 Posts
Posted - 05/28/2009 : 9:45:45 PM
how many children do you have Beth?
The number of children I have or dont have is not the issue....but to answer your question, my kids are all grown and married,...and yes they were spanked...WITH MY HAND...
There was never a need to use anything else..
quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
They dont have to fit my agenda, I just didnt think so many on here would condone abuse...or be so quick to become violent..
I do not condone your child abuse.
I am really biting my tongue here (Thanks mom!).
+1 Then agian I bite my tongue with most of BR's posts.
I'm so sick of do gooders pushing their personal opinions into others personal lives. Just sets me into some serious anger. Wish I was born many many years before I was.
Well, it sounds like she certainly did take advantage of the "teachable moment."
Video will not play on my computer (work), so I do not know the approximate age of the child. Certainly, that is a factor, and, yes, I agree with Beth, it was the MOTHER'S responsibility to keep her child under her control, until the child reaches an age where they develop some internal self-control. Kids wander, it's what they do, it's part of their curious nature to explore places and things that maybe they shouldn't have, and they haven't the experiences to know that there are safety concerns. If the child is below the age of three, the spanking probably did nothing more than confuse and frighten the child, because of the inability to reason at this age, they have little ability to connect their own actions with the actions of other's (cause and effect), and probably served more as an outlet for mother's fear, anger, or frustration (make the mom feel better) that to deter the child from repeating the action.
I still cannot advocate for spanking. Not because I claim any high moral ground, I know many parents do use it as a very judicious and effective manner, and only as a last resort, and never out of sheer anger. I also know of too many lazy parents in my professional career, for whom spanking is the ONLY tool in their toolbox of parental discipline. The parent themself lacks the self-discipline or resolve to follow through on other discipline tools (time-outs, groundings, natural consequences), and when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Then, when the kid goes to school, and deals with their frustration with a lack of physical restraint, the parent's reaction is always, "Well, I don't know where he/she get's that from..."
When my grandson was 3 he took the pool ladder from the garage and was set to jump in a 4' pool when I caught him.
What she did looked tame.
I never worried about him drowning again.
M
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One does not need violence to keep track of or control their kids...and what she did is violent, and she should be charged...A spanking on the butt with an open hand is something different, but a belt across the back and butt?..that is abuse...
I say it is necessary at times and it is abuse NOT to hand out corporal punishment.
I'm not gonna tell ya what I really think because my mother would slap my face for being impolite.
[:X]
They dont have to fit my agenda, I just didnt think so many on here would condone abuse...or be so quick to become violent..
I do not condone your child abuse.
I am really biting my tongue here (Thanks mom!).
Children are not wards of the state, nor is it the responsibility of the government, or nosy do gooders, to mandate what type of discipline can/cannot be delved out. Stay out of my life, and I will stay out of yours. By your words of condemning this mother for her choice of punishment you have shown yourself to be nothing more than a busy body socialist who feels it is their right to pass judgement on something that is none of your business
how many children do you have Beth?
None. She beat them all to death.
One does not need violence to keep track of or control their kids...and what she did is violent, and she should be charged...A spanking on the butt with an open hand is something different, but a belt across the back and butt?..that is abuse...
Even under your idea of "violent". spanking with an open hand is technically violent.
I don't see it that way, but now you are convicting this woman by how you personally define abuse and violence. The child had NO, I said no bruises.
If this child had been abused, I would side with you. The only thing hurt, were the child's feelings. Too bad for him. He got a learning lump.
I can only hope some busy body, nosy neighbor such as yourself, catches you spanking your kids some day.
i figure she prolly doesn't have any..like most expert on raisin children...
I hardily concur...
i figure she prolly doesn't have any..like most expert on raisin children...i have 3 boys and i can tell you they are all different..the oldest i had to spank once in his life. from then on talkin was all it took. the second was the worst, because a swat would make it worse..[he is stubborn as a mule, and has his own mind] but can be put in his place by taking away..the third [jake ]is a mix,,a swat worked when he was young..mutual respect works now..they have all turned out to be pretty good boys
And then I got bigger than you [:D][:D][:D] Kidding.
quote:Originally posted by tomahawk
i figure she prolly doesn't have any..like most expert on raisin children...i have 3 boys and i can tell you they are all different..the oldest i had to spank once in his life. from then on talkin was all it took. the second was the worst, because a swat would make it worse..[he is stubborn as a mule, and has his own mind] but can be put in his place by taking away..the third [jake ]is a mix,,a swat worked when he was young..mutual respect works now..they have all turned out to be pretty good boys
And then I got bigger than you [:D][:D][:D] Kidding.
You sound like a feller talking with a paper *. [:D][;)]
One does not need violence to keep track of or control their kids...and what she did is violent, and she should be charged...A spanking on the butt with an open hand is something different, but a belt across the back and butt?..that is abuse...
Why should she be charged? Because she used a belt instead of her hand? She left not a single bruise on the child. Physical abuse is nearly impossible without leaving physical injuries.
I think you have a overly sensitive view of what abuse is. Not trying to sound mean. You can have your opinion as much as anyone else, I just dont think anybody had the right to step in and tell this woman she was wrong about how to raise her kids that she knows better than any other adult.
Tom
Advanced Member
USA
4769 Posts
Posted - 05/28/2009 : 9:45:45 PM
how many children do you have Beth?
The number of children I have or dont have is not the issue....but to answer your question, my kids are all grown and married,...and yes they were spanked...WITH MY HAND...
There was never a need to use anything else..
And with mom like that, His chances are better of never ending up in prison like his neighbors will....
Don
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
They dont have to fit my agenda, I just didnt think so many on here would condone abuse...or be so quick to become violent..
I do not condone your child abuse.
I am really biting my tongue here (Thanks mom!).
+1 Then agian I bite my tongue with most of BR's posts.
I'm so sick of do gooders pushing their personal opinions into others personal lives. Just sets me into some serious anger. Wish I was born many many years before I was.
Video will not play on my computer (work), so I do not know the approximate age of the child. Certainly, that is a factor, and, yes, I agree with Beth, it was the MOTHER'S responsibility to keep her child under her control, until the child reaches an age where they develop some internal self-control. Kids wander, it's what they do, it's part of their curious nature to explore places and things that maybe they shouldn't have, and they haven't the experiences to know that there are safety concerns. If the child is below the age of three, the spanking probably did nothing more than confuse and frighten the child, because of the inability to reason at this age, they have little ability to connect their own actions with the actions of other's (cause and effect), and probably served more as an outlet for mother's fear, anger, or frustration (make the mom feel better) that to deter the child from repeating the action.
I still cannot advocate for spanking. Not because I claim any high moral ground, I know many parents do use it as a very judicious and effective manner, and only as a last resort, and never out of sheer anger. I also know of too many lazy parents in my professional career, for whom spanking is the ONLY tool in their toolbox of parental discipline. The parent themself lacks the self-discipline or resolve to follow through on other discipline tools (time-outs, groundings, natural consequences), and when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Then, when the kid goes to school, and deals with their frustration with a lack of physical restraint, the parent's reaction is always, "Well, I don't know where he/she get's that from..."
[}:)][:D]
What she did looked tame.
I never worried about him drowning again.
M