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Top 5 Greatest US Generals
War Pig Actual
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1. Sherman
2. Lee
3. Patton
4. MacAuthur
5. Pershing
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2. Lee
3. Patton
4. MacAuthur
5. Pershing
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Kinda figgered Jackson might be in there.
+1 to that
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Which Jackson...Stonewall or Old Hickory?
Tito. Don
1. Sherman
2. Lee
3. Patton
4. MacAuthur
5. Pershing
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Uh, believe you forgot one;
Lt. Gen. Lewis B. Puller
Which Jackson...Stonewall or Old Hickory?
Not tot take away from Old Hickory, But definately the mighty Stonewall.
quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
Which Jackson...Stonewall or Old Hickory?
Tito. Don
Jesse
1. Sherman
2. Lee
3. Patton
4. MacAuthur
5. Pershing
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And Lee got beat, MacAuthur should have lost his job long before he did a half * job.
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quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
Which Jackson...Stonewall or Old Hickory?
Tito. Don
Jesse
2) Patton
3) Washington
4) IKE/Marshall
5) Longstreet/Meade
in no particular order
MacAuthur is more relevant than ever today. If we had nuked N. Korea like he wanted to we'd only have to protect the island of S. Korea.
Ever just feel like your talking to yourself?
Jackson
Patton
Sherman
Pershing
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13344 Posts
Posted - 05/27/2009 : 8:17:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by War Pig Actual
MacAuthur is more relevant than ever today. If we had nuked N. Korea like he wanted to we'd only have to protect the island of S. Korea.
Ever just feel like your talking to yourself?
My Therapist say it's ok to be alone.
1) Jackson (stonewall)
2) Patton
3) Washington
4) IKE/Marshall
5) Longstreet/Meade
in no particular order
thank you for giving James Longstreet and George Meade the credit they deserve but never got.
He turned Imeperial Japan into a scorched landscape before Hiroshima.
Benedict Arnold
Dwight Eisenhower
Robert E. Lee
U.S. Grant
2 Lee
3 Stonewall Jackson
4 patton
5 Puller
What about more modern day? Let's say from Vietnam to now....... I know a couple get credit for the first Gulf War but..........
quote:Originally posted by kidthatsirish
1) Jackson (stonewall)
2) Patton
3) Washington
4) IKE/Marshall
5) Longstreet/Meade
in no particular order
thank you for giving James Longstreet and George Meade the credit they deserve but never got.
Fact is, although Lee was a very good general, at perhaps the most critical battle in that war, Meade was able to read and understand Lee (no other general had been able to do this before); and Longstreet was a good general who really understood the importance of the ground. If he had been able to convince Lee that Gettysburg was more or less a Fredricksburg flip/floped, that war may have ended very differently...at least the battle would have.
all being said, it was hard for me not to put Lee on that list...he truly was a great general, his mistake just happened to be a turning point...
G. Washington actually wasn't that effective as a military commander, but he was as a leader and symbol of the Revolution. Although some may say that was good enough. I don't think he won enough battles, but he did win th war with a lot of help from the French.
Actually[;)].....Washington was a excellent military commander. He succesfully led a rag/tag army that most kingdoms of the time consider nothing more than a militia; against arguably the greatest army of the time, with not only gurella tactics, but full formation on formation assualts.
Yes, he lost several battles, but he won the war, and was able to keep his army going under tough circumstances, and seemingly impossible odds to win the war. His prior command history also proved he was a capable military commander...thats one of the things that got him the job in the first place!
Stonewall Jackson was a wussy.
Are you kidding me? He tore up the Shennadoh from the floor up![8D]
Each of these will generate a different list of the 'best'.
My top nods:
1. Patton. Won a lot of battles, was just what we needed in North Africa. But to be fair, he generally was fighting an enemy with inferior numbers, poor supply, and a very unbending chain of command.
2. MacArthur- I actually think his best work was in Korea. Greatly outnumbered he fought the North Koreans/Chinese to a deadlock.
3. Sherman- broke every law of military tactics by severing his own chain of supply and burnt through the heartland of the enemy.
4. Washington- decent general, gets a nod due to his inspirational value; but other contemporaries were probably better military minds.
5. Pershing- introduced new tactics that helped break the trench deadlock and helped tip the balance of power in Europe. Commanded US forces in our largest battle ever, the Meuse-Argonne offensive.
I do NOT mention Lee. His mystique and early successes I find were outweighed by his later failures. He was a master of maneuver on a large scale but did not appreciate the new technology of the rifled musket and long range fire- essentially a Napoleonic smoothbore mind fighting in a rifled world. This led to a number of Pyrrhic victories- where the south won the battle but at a cost that they could not sustain. Grant, drunken SOB he may have been, appreciated the value of a good defensive position, and if Lee had concentrated on keeping the North out of the South rather than grinding his army to dust in vain attempts to invade the North, things may have gone differently.
I would not add Jackson to the list as while he did very well early on in the war, he died before the *.
Andrew Jackson would deserve a nod for his deployment of forces at New Orleans.
I'd also put Ike on the seconds list- more of a coordinator than a true battlefield general, but very good at what he did.
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13344 Posts
Posted - 05/27/2009 : 8:17:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by War Pig Actual
MacAuthur is more relevant than ever today. If we had nuked N. Korea like he wanted to we'd only have to protect the island of S. Korea.
Ever just feel like your talking to yourself?
My Therapist say it's ok to be alone.
Being alone is one thing, but being at opposite ends of the spectrum with yourself is not something you want your therapist to know.
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Posted - 05/27/2009 : 10:57:50 PM
There are a lot of criteria to judge by. Battles won? Use of an inferior force to win a battle against odds? Inspiration value?
Each of these will generate a different list of the 'best'.
My top nods:
1. Patton. Won a lot of battles, was just what we needed in North Africa. But to be fair, he generally was fighting an enemy with inferior numbers, poor supply, and a very unbending chain of command.
2. MacArthur- I actually think his best work was in Korea. Greatly outnumbered he fought the North Koreans/Chinese to a deadlock.
3. Sherman- broke every law of military tactics by severing his own chain of supply and burnt through the heartland of the enemy.
4. Washington- decent general, gets a nod due to his inspirational value; but other contemporaries were probably better military minds.
5. Pershing- introduced new tactics that helped break the trench deadlock and helped tip the balance of power in Europe. Commanded US forces in our largest battle ever, the Meuse-Argonne offensive.
I do NOT mention Lee. His mystique and early successes I find were outweighed by his later failures. He was a master of maneuver on a large scale but did not appreciate the new technology of the rifled musket and long range fire- essentially a Napoleonic smoothbore mind fighting in a rifled world. This led to a number of Pyrrhic victories- where the south won the battle but at a cost that they could not sustain. Grant, drunken SOB he may have been, appreciated the value of a good defensive position, and if Lee had concentrated on keeping the North out of the South rather than grinding his army to dust in vain attempts to invade the North, things may have gone differently.
I would not add Jackson to the list as while he did very well early on in the war, he died before the *.
Andrew Jackson would deserve a nod for his deployment of forces at New Orleans.
I'd also put Ike on the seconds list- more of a coordinator than a true battlefield general, but very good at what he did.
Well said sir.
quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
1. Sherman
2. Lee
3. Patton
4. MacAuthur
5. Pershing
Note to All: Only my opinion matters
"Chesty" 5 Navy Crosses...but who's counting?!
Uh, believe you forgot one;
Lt. Gen. Lewis B. Puller
Dwight Eisenhauer, the manager and executioner of the above
Chief Joseph of the Nez Perz.. Maybe he was just a good guerilla.
He harrassed a huge contigent and led the army by the nose for quite a while.. seems like he also started the Appaloosa..
quote:Originally posted by War Pig Actual
G. Washington actually wasn't that effective as a military commander, but he was as a leader and symbol of the Revolution. Although some may say that was good enough. I don't think he won enough battles, but he did win th war with a lot of help from the French.