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Question for LEOs
coltpax
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About 6 months ago I got a ticket from a State Trooper for a seat belt violation .
Paid the ticket with a Western Union money order .
Fasr forward to today when I was stopped for a liscense and insurance check .
Found out that my liscense has been suspended for a FTA (failure to appear) .
Apparently the check got lost in the mail .
I have the M/O receipt and checked to see if it had been cashed .
It has not .
The Deputy told me that I am not the first one to have something lost in the mail .
My question is how easy (or hard )is this to straighten out ?
Paid the ticket with a Western Union money order .
Fasr forward to today when I was stopped for a liscense and insurance check .
Found out that my liscense has been suspended for a FTA (failure to appear) .
Apparently the check got lost in the mail .
I have the M/O receipt and checked to see if it had been cashed .
It has not .
The Deputy told me that I am not the first one to have something lost in the mail .
My question is how easy (or hard )is this to straighten out ?
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A guy meets a girl and gives her a ride on his bike. While they're riding down the highway, she falls off the bike(DUE TO NO FAULT OF THE DRIVER OF THE BIKE), gets hit by a car and dies. The motorcycle rider turns around and goes back to her, sees that she is dead, and takes off on his bike.
How would this be illegal? He didnt make her fall off the bike and he didn't really know her.
Don't read into the question and imply that he did something. I UNDERSTAND that the police would want him for questioning or what not, but could he be charged AND convicted of anything.
The consensus here is, he could be charged with leaving the scene of an accident. I'm not sure I agree with that though. She just fell off without him doing anything wrong.
Would it be the same if someone jumped/fell out of your AUTOMOBILE?
At first blush it would seem to, but hey, you just caught them speeding, right?
I got the impression that he was overreacting to the fact that I had a gun, so I commented that it's not the people with permits that he should be worried about. He replied that guns made him nervous.
He returned the gun to me after he processed the paperwork from the accident. I don't know what SC standard procedure is, but it seemed to me that he just didn't like the idea that citizens could be armed.
What are other people's experiences with being stopped while carrying concealed? For law enforcement officers, does your agency have a specific policy for dealing with this, or do you have some discretion in the matter? How would you have handled this situation (assuming the person you pulled over is a stranger)?
"Strength is the outcome of need; security sets a premium on feebleness." -- H.G. Wells (The Time Machine)
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Background: Off duty Cincinnati Police Office used taser on 11 year old shoplifting from grocery store.
https://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/police-officer-used-taser-on-11-year-old-girl-accused-of-stealing-from-kroger
According to the stories, she was arrested and charged with theft and obstructing official business.
The second charge is myl question. What Obstruction of Official Business would she be guilty of?
The LEO was off duty and working a side job if I read the stories correctly. Do LEOs get to perform part time security duties in city/county uniform in many places which would then warrant the obstruction charge?
She was wrong for stealing, just not sure it rose to the level of taser deployment.
Here, I think you have to be 21 by the end of the class. The academy will be able to tell you.
Thanks. See, school year ends in may, but my birthday is in July. However, I could adjust my schedule so that I finish after I turn 21.
Have to be 21 for certification.
I'm thinkin you ain't mean or tough enuff to be a real cop. [:X]
Ahahahaha you ain't never met me in real life. Just about anybody can be one now, seein as how they let women be LEOs. Then again, my female cousin is a LEO, and she's about a foot shorter than me but she could kick the * of 95% of guys on here, no joke.
We hire very few people your age. Most 21-year-olds are not nearly mature enough for police work, and emotional maturity for most men comes at around age 27. You may be an exception.
If you think you want to be a cop, consider the U.S. Army. They will let you be one now. Then, when you get out, Uncle Sam will pay for your schooling.
Just don't go Federal. City, county, or state is fine, but not Federal.
We hire very few people your age. Most 21-year-olds are not nearly mature enough for police work, and emotional maturity for most men comes at around age 27. You may be an exception.
If you think you want to be a cop, consider the U.S. Army. They will let you be one now. Then, when you get out, Uncle Sam will pay for your schooling.
Colton this sounds like excellent advise. IMO
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Just don't go Federal. City, county, or state is fine, but not Federal.
We hire very few people your age. Most 21-year-olds are not nearly mature enough for police work, and emotional maturity for most men comes at around age 27. You may be an exception.
If you think you want to be a cop, consider the U.S. Army. They will let you be one now. Then, when you get out, Uncle Sam will pay for your schooling.
Colton this sounds like excellent advise. IMO
That it is. Nunn knows what he's talking about, that's for sure and I'd like to thanks everyone for their help.
I'm thinkin you ain't mean or tough enuff to be a real cop. [:X]
YES-- you have to have real thick skin on your butt cheeks so all the sitting does not effect your performance! [:D]. If it gets worse with age and painfull you can apply for disability![;)]
Nunn, schooling is already getting paid for thanks to all the lotto junkies (NC education lottery scholarship). Also, there's a few reasons for which I choose not to say (if I do, this topic will probably be headed for a lock) that I do not want to join the military. But, I'm wanting to stay on the local/county level, maybe the state level but I don't want to be a fed. And as for the maturity, well others can gauge that but I'd do a lot better than many kids my age. I have my moments every now and then, but for the most part I think I would be fine. Im the guy who can pick and have fun, but when it's time to be serious, I'm serious. But, I'm hoping to get employed at the local level after training then get my foot in the door to become a game warden.
Check with your game and fish dept. or DNR whatever they call it, some require a wildlife management degree of some sort. The little I know of you from here I think you'll do fine.
to answer your specific question, how in the hell are we supposed to know if they will accept you underage? call them and ask them.
now colton, the next thing i have for you is a little harsh. im not really sorry, so i wont apologize. it needs to be said. ive seen a few pics of you and you're a stocky young man. can you pass the physical? i understand you're probably strong and might be able to outwork most people out there, but if you can run a mile under their time limit, so many sit ups, push ups, pull ups etc; then you've got a lot of work ahead of you. . i think its sort of ridiculous myself. once you have your badge, you can balloon out to ridiculous levels, but you have to get pinned first.
1. gives you experience for your resume working in a LE related field, you can demonstrate maturity and responsibility
2. gets your foot in the door to compete with in that Sheriff's Office for a road position
3. gives you incite on how the system really works
The last 3 out 4 Officers we hired were all Correctional Officers, two at a Regional Jail and one from a local Sheriff's Office. We put all through the basic Road School, but they came with jailer certification so it allows them to participate more in their Field Training before going to the Academy.
A college degree really does make you much more competitive, especially for promotion. I imagine NC is not much different than VA since we share the same market of potential employees.
Game Warden, at least in VA is a very difficult career to get into, highly competitive and you have to be an expert in natural sciences. You really have to kno0w someone at the State level with some pull to get into a Game Warden gig. That would be a great gig though
And shilo: the game warden job does look like a good job. My thinking was to get into law enforcement and start small and make some contacts, then take a class or two in natural resources. I'm not sure if I could work as a CO. I need to check that out, but it would be nice. Also, the "correctional facility" is about 5 miles from my house, so no commute lol.
Just don't go Federal. City, county, or state is fine, but not Federal.
We hire very few people your age. Most 21-year-olds are not nearly mature enough for police work, and emotional maturity for most men comes at around age 27. You may be an exception.
If you think you want to be a cop, consider the U.S. Army. They will let you be one now. Then, when you get out, Uncle Sam will pay for your schooling.
Nunn offers good advice , give that a good thought.
Put your application in everywhere including the Game Warden spot. If someone hires you before the GW spot take it, get some experience and keep applying for the Game Warden job.
The problem with going to the military is that unless you go reserve or NG you are locked into that job and out of the job you want to be doing for a few years. Police departments like to hire vets, but they hire just as many if not more not vets. The longer you take to get into the career you want the older you are going to be when you retire.
Lots of departments around here have laid off tons of police officers. That means until they rehire all of them legally they can't hire anyone else. The departments that are hiring are very selective they want bachelor degrees in criminal justice, at least 4 years military experience, and at least 6 years experience in civilian law enforcement to even consider you. With as many out of work police officers they are getting it too, all for a job that pays $21K a year with no benefits.
We pay kids fresh out of high school more than that and have excellent benefits for them to stand there, greet cutomers, and run a cahs register.
Trinity +++
And game wardens patrol people who are frequently armed - hunters - in vast expanses of wilderness. Statistics show a warden is about 2.5 times more likely to be assaulted with a deadly weapon than are other officers, said Rob Buonamici, chief game warden for the Nevada Department of Wildlife.
The Cadet was employed with the PD in a support capacity, working 20 hours per week. The Cadet had to also be enrolled in the only Dallas community college in existence at that time, El Centro, full time, in the Associate Degree program in Criminal Justice.
When the Cadet finished school, if he was at least 20 1/2 years old, he went on the payroll full time as a Recruit Officer, and was assigned to the Police Academy. When he finished the Academy, he would be at least 21 years old and ready to be sworn in and begin Field Training.
At the time I got that letter, I wasn't interested. I have kicked myself a few times for throwing it away. Had I taken that path, I would have been retired a long time ago.
No individualist would ever go federal. There is no Constitutional authority for a federal law enforcement agency to exist. The feds have good benefits and retirement, but is that the price of your soul?
feds have good benefits, but their pension is not very good compared to the state pensions here or most of the muni and county pensions in Illinios.
You also didn't get paid while in school. I couldn't do that.
It's different now, but still probably the hardest LE job to get. At least in NC.
Did I mention that if you don't have political contacts you can pretty much forget it anyway?
If I were starting at your age, I would get the BLET asap. Then think about the State Highway Patrol first. County Sheriff Dept. second.
Look for some sort of Civil Service protection. In Texas, virtually all employment is "at will," but police officers and firefighters with agencies that come under Civil Service have a lot of protection against unfair and capricious disciplinary actions. You can still be disciplined and even fired, but the boss has to do it by the numbers and you always have the right to appeal.
http://osp.its.state.nc.us/deptsearchresults3a.asp?departmentname=WILDLIFE RESOURCES COMMISSION
Next thing ya know, you'll be fortifying your basement.
OK, thanks, but I am not quite as extreme as lt496.
Here is a challenge for you: First read and learn Article X, Bill of Rights. Then read the entire Constitution and all amendments, and when you are finished, show me authority in there for establishment of a Federal law enforcement agency. If it isn't in there, Article X says it cannot be.
"Provide for the ocmmon defense..." possibly might allow for the Coast Guard and Border Patrol, but that's about it, IMNSHO.
The FBI was established when there were still U.S. Territories, and that's where its authority began and ended. That wasn't good enough for the megalomaniacal J. Edgar Hoover, and he built the agency into a monster. Prohibition, gang wars, and interstate bank robberies gave him more reason to expand his power. Then came WWII and the threat of domestic espionage and sabotage, and then it just snowballed from there.
If I were King, I would roll the BATFE into the FBI, and then seriously curtail that agency's authority, and eliminate about 75% of the positions through attrition. They would only investigate interstate crimes and assist local and state agencies.
A lot of the surplus agents could go into the Border Patrol, and maybe then we could be semi-serious about patrolling the borders.
And that's just a start. EPA and OSHA could also go away, along with the NEA.
the exams for those jobs are brutal and if you dont have at least a bs in a related field(envi sci, wildlife management etc), you ought not even bother. the questions are real specific to those fields. whats the average life span of an atlantic bass? where is the ice thinnest on a frozen pond, in the middle or at the edge? things like that. if your education isnt specifically geared for that type of job, the test is going to own you.