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quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
Also if you build your own it saves hundreds.
Wouldn't one need a license to manufacture even for personal use?
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
Also if you build your own it saves hundreds.
Wouldn't one need a license to manufacture even for personal use?
You have to pay the $200 tax but as long as you dont sell it then your ok. Thats what the ATF told me 2-3 years ago unless something has changed.
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
quote:Originally posted by SWAT 50
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by SWAT 50
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
Hey I didnt say it was legal, just that I can do it, Hell look it up,, Anyone can build a very good functional Suppessor.. CHEAP
not really, they work so so, not near as quite, use steel wool and risk fire. PVC pipe can burst and send pieces in your face.
Not to mention, it's illegal, and if you are caught you will wished you had not saved hundreds...
I heard one could just duct tape a 3-liter soda bottle to the muzzle, and it would be almost silent.
Ya couldn't aim it, but it's quiet.....Oh and don't get caught walking around town with a potato on your revolver!
quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
I heard one could just duct tape a 3-liter soda bottle to the muzzle, and it would be almost silent.
Ya couldn't aim it, but it's quiet.....Oh and don't get caught walking around town with a potato on your revolver!
Unfortunately there is truth to that.
Several years back the local po pos wanted a look inside a certain guys house but no judge would issue a warrant so the found a 2 liter bottle in the trash on the curb, and that was probable cause.
However they found nothing in the house not even a gun.
quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
I heard one could just duct tape a 3-liter soda bottle to the muzzle, and it would be almost silent.
Ya couldn't aim it, but it's quiet.....Oh and don't get caught walking around town with a potato on your revolver!
Sounds like movie physics to me. If you look at some diagrams or videos of people taking their legally owned suppressors apart, they are highly engineered, complex devices.
The potato thing sounds so ridiculous that I have found a related and equally ridiculous animated picture that demonstrates what would happen.
Bye the way, does anyone know what type of bayonet I would need for my Mossberg 590A1? It has the lug... Just not sure if a typical M16 type bayonet would fit.
quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
ROSIE,, I can make a good one for for 15 bucks....good for 500 rounds...
Rosie
Advanced Member
USA
9521 Posts
Posted - 01/20/2012 : 08:16:13 AM
You can buy a silencer for $300.00?
I owuld avoid this offer like the plauge however a Gemtech Outback II is $325, and acc Turd is the same price as well. That of course does not include the $200 nfa tax stamp you buy to own it. This is why I tell people to buy cans that are good for multiple calibers.
ie get the gemtech WMR and you can use it for .22 mag, .22 long rifle,
.17HMR, .17HM2. So 4 guns, for 1 can ($525) + one stamp ($200).
Or you can get an HTG Aris for a MSRP of $597 and handle anything from 22-250 down to 17HM2. But if you don't use subsonic ammo it'll sound like an unsuppressed 22, still buch quieter than a 223 tho.
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
the question is..... Why do you have to know why someone would want a "silencer" the slang term for SUPPRESSOR?[?][?][:D]
I thought silencer was the word used in the act that regulated them and that suppressor was the more accurate, unofficial term. I just don't like people thinking that they cause a gun to sound like a nearly silent spitball and that the only reason a person would want one would be for bad reasons. Unfortunately, they are so hard to get a hold of and expensive that few people have ever heard one being used to witness that they just tame things down a bit most of the time.
Coincidentally, on a certain 3 hour tape of a guy trying to get his 01FFL, the ATF agent talked about suppressors and stated that it cost so much to regulate them that the ATF was working on getting the tax stamp raised from $200 to $1000.
Originally posted by tacking1
does a silencer/suppressor change the accuracy or ballistics of the weapon system? Honestly can't imagine that it would but curious.
a little, but all the hype they improve things is crap. My s&w 422 shoots high 1" and left 1" with the can.
I've read in many reputable places that the 2 or 3 liter soda bottle thing is just hogwash. There's no way a 2 liter soda bottle is quieting any significant caliber round. From even my very basic understanding of sound waves--and just plain common sense--it just doesn't seem possible. I just don't see a .357 being significantly suppressed by a single very thin layer of plastic.
The solution to almost any complex problem is very involved and costs a significant amount of money. I don't see a deviation to this rule in this case.
No one said anything about PVC Pipe..Steel Wool, or other Junk Material..Suppressors can be built from a multitude of materials..Such as Stainless Steel, Leather , but of course one must know what one is doing...
I didnt say to make em, or the legality.. It can be done...[;)]
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by kwikrnu
I keep them on my carry and home defense handguns. They reduce muzzle flash and the noise.
So when you're life depends on it, YOU choose a gun that is slower to draw and isn't as intimidating if you miss?
Not sure what the "kwik" in your screen name is for but it sure isn't for drawing your weapon or brains.
You should have listened to your deacon's quorum advisor a little more.
Maybe he works at Kwik'e'Mart (Simpsons)... and like to hide between the strawberries.
That way the supressor hides his muzzleflash.
quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
I know I am crazy, but if suppressors improved accuracy that well, why don't all professional shooters and the military use them?
just curious
The Military does use them. (Special Forces & Seals).
quote:Originally posted by TexasVet
quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
I know I am crazy, but if suppressors improved accuracy that well, why don't all professional shooters and the military use them?
just curious
The Military does use them. (Special Forces & Seals).
SF has been using them since Vietnam.
The unit that replaced us on our FOB at the end of our tour back in 2005 were all equipped with suppressed M4's. I think they were National Guard.
quote:Originally posted by TexasVet
quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
I know I am crazy, but if suppressors improved accuracy that well, why don't all professional shooters and the military use them?
just curious
The Military does use them. (Special Forces & Seals).
SF has been using them since Vietnam.
What I mean is why don't every single soldier have one? If it's that accurate, seems logical that everyone should have the best rifle they can be provided.
There are many reasons to own suppressors. The tax and the waiting is the worst part of the process.
There is a concerted effort these days to "mainstream" silencer use, as it is done in Europe where in some places you cannot shoot WITHOUT one.
The story goes that Silencers weren't even part of the original NFA34 but were added later at the behest of Game Wardens and Wildlife Sanctuary managers because the Great Depression was so deep, that folks would risk jail and even death to trespass in Game Preserves to hunt to feed their families. At the time, silencers/suppressors were sold over the counter for less than 20 bucks each.
Owning one now is just plain fun. Great for training folks how to shoot, especially pistols, without having to yell at them. I've found them to be indispensable when teaching children how to shoot a pistol without having to yell over their ear protection.
Personally, I wish my Dad had been into silencers because perhaps then my tinnitus wouldn't be so horribly bad.
Last year was the first time I hunted big game, legally, and by legally I mean not just blasting jackrabbits, with a silencer and it was pretty sweet. The deer do not get spooked like with an unmuzzled rifle and my ears don't ring all day louder than normal after I take the shot.
Also, it motivated me to buy a TITANIUM suppressor which weighs 40% less than the Stainless/Inconel one I have now.
Comments
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
Also if you build your own it saves hundreds.
Wouldn't one need a license to manufacture even for personal use?
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
Also if you build your own it saves hundreds.
Wouldn't one need a license to manufacture even for personal use?
You have to pay the $200 tax but as long as you dont sell it then your ok. Thats what the ATF told me 2-3 years ago unless something has changed.
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
Also if you build your own it saves hundreds.
All that without green font.[V]
I wish I could get one mr 223 is so F,ing loud. Even with ear protection.
Is that the same Mr 223 that someone told you to replace the compensator on because it will be really loud? ... or was that another dude?
Of course, if you want to be a blaster with no discipline, I suggest Stonewall, and, a bullet resistant vest.
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
Also if you build your own it saves hundreds.
All that without green font.[V]
What part?
quote:Originally posted by SWAT 50
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by kabar
This might sound like a dumb question to many of you but I just can't figure out why anyone would pay $200.00 tax to own a Silencer in PA.?
If I'm out hunting, why do I need a silencer? If I'm out target shooting, why do I need a silencer? I just can't justify paying $300.00 for a silencer and then another $200.00 tax.[?][?]
I like to target shoot at my parents house in the country, but they get tired of hearing it and I dont want to pay some snootie club.
Also if you build your own it saves hundreds.
All that without green font.[V]
What part?
that one
Hey I didnt say it was legal, just that I can do it, Hell look it up,, Anyone can build a very good functional Suppessor.. CHEAP
not really, they work so so, not near as quite, use steel wool and risk fire. PVC pipe can burst and send pieces in your face.
Not to mention, it's illegal, and if you are caught you will wished you had not saved hundreds...
Ya couldn't aim it, but it's quiet.....Oh and don't get caught walking around town with a potato on your revolver!
I heard one could just duct tape a 3-liter soda bottle to the muzzle, and it would be almost silent.
Ya couldn't aim it, but it's quiet.....Oh and don't get caught walking around town with a potato on your revolver!
Unfortunately there is truth to that.
Several years back the local po pos wanted a look inside a certain guys house but no judge would issue a warrant so the found a 2 liter bottle in the trash on the curb, and that was probable cause.
However they found nothing in the house not even a gun.
I heard one could just duct tape a 3-liter soda bottle to the muzzle, and it would be almost silent.
Ya couldn't aim it, but it's quiet.....Oh and don't get caught walking around town with a potato on your revolver!
Sounds like movie physics to me. If you look at some diagrams or videos of people taking their legally owned suppressors apart, they are highly engineered, complex devices.
The potato thing sounds so ridiculous that I have found a related and equally ridiculous animated picture that demonstrates what would happen.
Bye the way, does anyone know what type of bayonet I would need for my Mossberg 590A1? It has the lug... Just not sure if a typical M16 type bayonet would fit.
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
ROSIE,, I can make a good one for for 15 bucks....good for 500 rounds...
Rosie
Advanced Member
USA
9521 Posts
Posted - 01/20/2012 : 08:16:13 AM
You can buy a silencer for $300.00?
I owuld avoid this offer like the plauge however a Gemtech Outback II is $325, and acc Turd is the same price as well. That of course does not include the $200 nfa tax stamp you buy to own it. This is why I tell people to buy cans that are good for multiple calibers.
ie get the gemtech WMR and you can use it for .22 mag, .22 long rifle,
.17HMR, .17HM2. So 4 guns, for 1 can ($525) + one stamp ($200).
Or you can get an HTG Aris for a MSRP of $597 and handle anything from 22-250 down to 17HM2. But if you don't use subsonic ammo it'll sound like an unsuppressed 22, still buch quieter than a 223 tho.
the question is..... Why do you have to know why someone would want a "silencer" the slang term for SUPPRESSOR?[?][?][:D]
I thought silencer was the word used in the act that regulated them and that suppressor was the more accurate, unofficial term. I just don't like people thinking that they cause a gun to sound like a nearly silent spitball and that the only reason a person would want one would be for bad reasons. Unfortunately, they are so hard to get a hold of and expensive that few people have ever heard one being used to witness that they just tame things down a bit most of the time.
Coincidentally, on a certain 3 hour tape of a guy trying to get his 01FFL, the ATF agent talked about suppressors and stated that it cost so much to regulate them that the ATF was working on getting the tax stamp raised from $200 to $1000.
A silencer improved the groups of a Winchester 70 .308win of mine.
Made the groups smaller - I guess it worked like the BOSS-system, altering the "frequency" of which the barrel moves during firing.
But it must be crap and I'm out of my mind for having silencers/supressors on several .22's, a .222Rem, a couple of .308's, and so on.
It's all in my head - ok.
Or silencers do help - and the Mossberg and Winchester are crap guns to begin with.
I guess I just love shooting my guns, not having to use earplugs or -muffs.
just curious
The solution to almost any complex problem is very involved and costs a significant amount of money. I don't see a deviation to this rule in this case.
Silencer took it down to about 1.1" in both cases.
Haven't seen much improvement as an overall thing - but have seen improvements in the worst cases.
All I use them for, is to get rid of the noice.
I didnt say to make em, or the legality.. It can be done...[;)]
Methinks some people assume to much...
I keep them on my carry and home defense handguns. They reduce muzzle flash and the noise.
So when you're life depends on it, YOU choose a gun that is slower to draw and isn't as intimidating if you miss?
Not sure what the "kwik" in your screen name is for but it sure isn't for drawing your weapon or brains.
You should have listened to your deacon's quorum advisor a little more.
quote:Originally posted by kwikrnu
I keep them on my carry and home defense handguns. They reduce muzzle flash and the noise.
So when you're life depends on it, YOU choose a gun that is slower to draw and isn't as intimidating if you miss?
Not sure what the "kwik" in your screen name is for but it sure isn't for drawing your weapon or brains.
You should have listened to your deacon's quorum advisor a little more.
Maybe he works at Kwik'e'Mart (Simpsons)... and like to hide between the strawberries.
That way the supressor hides his muzzleflash.
[:D]
I know I am crazy, but if suppressors improved accuracy that well, why don't all professional shooters and the military use them?
just curious
The Military does use them. (Special Forces & Seals).
SF has been using them since Vietnam.
quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
I know I am crazy, but if suppressors improved accuracy that well, why don't all professional shooters and the military use them?
just curious
The Military does use them. (Special Forces & Seals).
SF has been using them since Vietnam.
The unit that replaced us on our FOB at the end of our tour back in 2005 were all equipped with suppressed M4's. I think they were National Guard.
quote:Originally posted by JnRockwall
I know I am crazy, but if suppressors improved accuracy that well, why don't all professional shooters and the military use them?
just curious
The Military does use them. (Special Forces & Seals).
SF has been using them since Vietnam.
What I mean is why don't every single soldier have one? If it's that accurate, seems logical that everyone should have the best rifle they can be provided.
just sayin..
So is a silencer and a suppessor the same thing?
What people CALL a silencer is actually a suppressor. There is no such thing as a silencer. Clear now?
Would be nice to have for shooting things and not needing carry & to put on ear protection around the ranch.
There is a concerted effort these days to "mainstream" silencer use, as it is done in Europe where in some places you cannot shoot WITHOUT one.
The story goes that Silencers weren't even part of the original NFA34 but were added later at the behest of Game Wardens and Wildlife Sanctuary managers because the Great Depression was so deep, that folks would risk jail and even death to trespass in Game Preserves to hunt to feed their families. At the time, silencers/suppressors were sold over the counter for less than 20 bucks each.
Owning one now is just plain fun. Great for training folks how to shoot, especially pistols, without having to yell at them. I've found them to be indispensable when teaching children how to shoot a pistol without having to yell over their ear protection.
Personally, I wish my Dad had been into silencers because perhaps then my tinnitus wouldn't be so horribly bad.
Last year was the first time I hunted big game, legally, and by legally I mean not just blasting jackrabbits, with a silencer and it was pretty sweet. The deer do not get spooked like with an unmuzzled rifle and my ears don't ring all day louder than normal after I take the shot.
Also, it motivated me to buy a TITANIUM suppressor which weighs 40% less than the Stainless/Inconel one I have now.