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.22 mag for coyote?
mossberg500man
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Im curious about if a .22 mag is enough gun for coyote ,and if so whats the effective distance
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22lr is quite effective at ranges up to 200 yards.
interesting im guessing with loads like cci stingers?
Should be real good around 100 yards (haven't shot any Coyotes - Yet).
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
22lr is quite effective at ranges up to 200 yards.
,,,,you're a better man than me with a 22LR ,,,,,with the drop on a LR where would you hold with a 'drop' of 50+" while shooting at a 'yote' ???,,,,not much better with a .22 Mag.
Thank you for the chart.
Im curious about if a .22 mag is enough gun for coyote ,and if so whats the effective distance
Definitely enough gun.
Effective distance is probably about 125 yards.
On .22LR, bullet drop means effective distance is probably only about 75 yards, maybe 100 if you're using one of the hypervelocity rounds AND you have a lot of experience with it.
Yes, its certainly possible to hit things further than that, but bullet drop becomes a big factor past that distance, and very small differences in range will translate into big differences in drop, enough to turn a humane kill into an inhuman "*" or even total miss.
Unless you've done a LOT of shooting with a particular round, and exactly know both its 'dope' and the precise distance to your target (ie with a laser rangefinger) you're really probably pushing things past 100 yards. "Walking" your rounds onto target is possible with a milk-jug or something like that, but I don't think that kind of shooting makes for practical (let alone ethical) hunting.
I am, of course, assuming reasonable shot placement.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
22lr is quite effective at ranges up to 200 yards.
,,,,you're a better man than me with a 22LR ,,,,,with the drop on a LR where would you hold with a 'drop' of 50+" while shooting at a 'yote' ???,,,,not much better with a .22 Mag.
Note that I didn't say that I was that good a shot (as a side note,I used to shoot my 10/22 at the range at Farragut S.P. which has a 200 yard lane and could hit man size targets. The hold-over was pretty high but I don't recall offhand what it was), just that the round is quite effective at least to that range. I'm sure it would do the job out further, but I didn't want to get into an argument about the ethics of it.
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Aguila has an Interceptor .22Lr 30 gr round that goes 1750 FPS, IIRC.
Should be real good around 100 yards (haven't shot any Coyotes - Yet).
Yes, they do, BUT. . .
The "Interceptor" round goes 1470 fps with a 40 grain bullet; the one that is supposed to go 1750 fps is called the "supermaximum", and as you say, uses a 30 grain bullet.
If you compare either of these to 1900+ fps for a standard 40 grain .22 magnum, you'll see that neither of these is really even close in terms of performance. Sorry. . .you can't turn a .22LR into a .22 magnum.
Both these use slow burning powder so you only get that velocity from a long rifle barrel. From a handgun barrel, you're just making an expensive "flash". Also, rounds may beat up semiauto actions, and are dirty, requiring more cleaning.
I've shot a few boxes of the "Interceptor" but never been all that impressed with its accuracy. It may well be my gun doesn't like this, but I'd be leery of trying a 100 yard headshot on some critter with this.
With an ordinary .22LR, holdover at 200 yards is about 55 inches.
I have no doubt that once you had the thing dialled in, you could hit a man-sized target all day long at 200 yards with any .22 rifle. In fact, I bet on a still day you could probably keep them all inside 12 inches with a decent rifle and ammo, and if you were good, probably half that with a match rifle and high quality match ammo.
But there are two issues here.
One of them, obviously, is that the vitals of a coyote are a "little" bit smaller than the torso of an adult male. A good hit on a torso target could be a kill, a wound, or a complete miss on small game. You probably shouldn't be taking a shot at something like this if you can't keep your group under 4", and that's damn hard to do with a .22 at 200 yards.
The other issue is that realistically if you're hunting you're probably not going to have time to "walk" in your shots like you can on a range. At 200 yards, a typical .22 is dropping literally one inch per yard AND its highly susceptible to wind.
That means that even if you know the exact dope on your round and setup, you still need to have absolutely perfect rangefinding to make hits. If your range to target estimate is off by even just a few yards, it could mean the difference between a perfect hit and a clean miss.
I don't see the 22 Mag V max in a 30gr. on the chart
Good point.
And bullet drop isnt about lack of effectiveness.
The 177 is the flattest shooting. But I wouldn't use it past 100 yds.
The charts I've seen for energy loss on that round would keep me from doing it.
I don't think I'd shoot at anything at 200 yds without some magnification. And then drop is a function of what you are sighted in for. ie if I'm sighted in at 200 yds, the drop is zero.
They were all in the woods and under 100 yards. They all ran over 100 yards after being hit heart/lungs. Its not my first choice for the critters but does the job if you dont mind tracking after the shot.
shot them in the head they didnt know what hit then, i put a tasco 2.5 x 10 scope on it sighted in 1 inch high at 100 yards
If you site zero at 100 yards, your drop would be about 16".
The 22mag at 200 yards has the same speed and energy as a std..22lr at the muzzle.
I have taken many big wood chucks at 150 to 200 yards with a "good" 22lr rifle using remington Yellow jackets {33 grain going 1600fps}
Look at this chart for rifles...
http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/ballistics/2012CatalogCenterSpread.pdf
But I set bear traps for them.
More humane.
Haven't caught any yet.
And I haven't seen the cat in a few days either. [;)]
I like the .22 if there is another number after it.
0 or 250?[:p]
Who zeros a hunting .22 at 50 yards? My .22 mag is 2" high at 50 yards. Practice a little and yotes at 200 yards isn't a real big deal with the .22 mag. Though it is in it's realm inside of 150 yards.
That being said if you expect a lot of 200 yard shots then you will also have need to shoot further, so a step up in power would be recommended.
40gr hollow point is my go to round for the .22lr and the .22 mag. Lite weight bullets are just that, lite weight.
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I like the .22 if there is another number after it.
0 or 250?[:p]
well played sir...well played....I would suggest the 0[8D][;)]
Dangerous out to a mile, it seems.
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I like the .22 if there is another number after it.
0 or 250?[:p]
well played sir...well played....I would suggest the 0[8D][;)]
So would I.[:D][;)]
I just read the end tab on a box of .22lr.
Dangerous out to a mile, it seems.
Must be some old stock. Mine says 1.5 mile
quote:Originally posted by kidthatsirish
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I like the .22 if there is another number after it.
0 or 250?[:p]
well played sir...well played....I would suggest the 0[8D][;)]
So would I.[:D][;)]
Very Nice! I have always been a fan of the swift...what an outstanding cartidge...and a rather fine looking rifle! What kind of glass is that you have on it?
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by kidthatsirish
quote:Originally posted by 35WhelenClassic
quote:Originally posted by cartod
I like the .22 if there is another number after it.
0 or 250?[:p]
well played sir...well played....I would suggest the 0[8D][;)]
So would I.[:D][;)]
Very Nice! I have always been a fan of the swift...what an outstanding cartidge...and a rather fine looking rifle! What kind of glass is that you have on it?
Thanks.[:)] Does a great job punching paper, gophers, and deer.[^]
As much as I'll probably be chastised for even owning one (I'm not a glass snob, I use what works, and this scope flat produces!), the scope is a 6-24x42 Tasco Varmint. I'm honestly impressed with it. Clarity is good, and it holds zero when changing power back and forth. Clicks are positive, and the mil-dot crosshair isn't overly thick. So far, so good. I don't expect any issues with it.
I think the .22 mag would work well out to perhaps 120-150 yards in the right circumstances. I've also shot magpies with the MAG and it smoked them.
Exactly the answer I would have given. I've got one rifle chambered in the .22 mag rimfire and it's a potent rimfire round on critters under 20 pounds out to 150 yards.
An added benefit in today's environment when .22 LR ammo is in extremely short supply, almost everyone has plenty of .22 mag rimfire ammo (if they routinely stocked it and had a decent supply before the CT school shooting).
One evening I received a call from this young mans proud grandpa. He told me this 10 year old young man called in this yote and shot it with his Crickett .22mag. Here's the picture he sent me.
That dog does not appear to have run very far.
Im curious about if a .22 mag is enough gun for coyote ,and if so whats the effective distance
To your original post...
Absolutely. It will kill em without a doubt.
I appear to be slightly above average in skill and confidence.
With iron sights, I'd feel VERY comfortable at 50-100 yds.
But I have no concerns with hitting an orange at that distance with my 22 mag.
And that would be devastating, assuming proper shot placement.
(I know a fella who drove for two days to line up on a pronghorn and shoot its foot off with a 308.)
As always. It's placement v energy. Or placement and energy.
If you can't hit the broad side of a barn with a fistfull of BBs, then maybe take a pass.
But if you have average skills and have researched where to put your shot, I'd be surprised if a dog took two steps after a shot within 150 yds.