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quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
People who investigate accidents for a living will tell you accidents are not only always negligence, but if you dig deep enough you can almost always tag a name on it.There it is. [^]
Contrary to what we all hear parroted, $#@! doesn't just happen.
Barring pure acts of God, the world will work smoothly until someone screws things up through either ignorance or negligence. If you dissect any 'accident' you'll eventually identify where someone in the chain of events dropped the ball.
Some just don't seem to understand that accidental and negligent can both correctly be used describe the same event. They fail to notice the definition of 'accident' includes: "[Something which occurs] without intent or through carelessness and often with unfortunate results."
A more realisitc question is whether an act rises to the level of gross negligence. I'd say pulling the trigger of a gun you haven't cleared while standing in a crowd does.
quote:Originally posted by MrM1A1
quote:Originally posted by storm6490
They guy is a complete moron and DOES NOT DESERVE A FELONY!
He should be fined a few thousand dollars and pay restitution to the person who he harmed. If he does not pay the restitution he should be jailed for a year. NO FELONY.
It was a dumb accident. It was an accident and not intentional. Not felony type action or behavior.
My rights come from God and not the Constitution by the way.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I think he does deserve at least one felony charge for his actions. His neglegence could've easily caused loss of life and should be handled as such. That man should NEVER be allowed to own a firearm again. That guy gives responsible gun owners a bad name, should hook his balls up to a car battery...
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by gruntled
Many years ago I bought a kar 98 & when I got home I ran a loaded round through it. As soon as I closed the bolt it fired. At least I was in the back yard & had it pointed at the ground. That was clearly a malfunction & therefore an AD.
I must respectfully disagree.
We are getting close to changing the subject of this thread, but accidents are close enough to the subject I guess it's not really a hijack.
The incident you describe is most definitely traceable to negligence. Not your negligence in this case, but clearly negligence, and probably fraud, on the face of it.
I've investigated a few accidents, and read hundreds if not thousands of accident reports. I haven't found one yet that could not be traced to negligence at some level, no matter how "freaky" the accident.
People who investigate accidents for a living will tell you accidents are not only always negligence, but if you dig deep enough you can almost always tag a name on it.
yep. Some can be tagged as "acts of God" (such as a lightning bolt striking or the wind blowing a branch at you from a long distance) the rest truly seem to involve negligence.
Some will die in hot pursuit
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
Wow it's good to know that my opinion in this case has some consensus.
I just always assumed that when I had a firearm in my control that I was held to higher level of responsibility.
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fair enough. missed that part. i need to skim less.
but my opinion, while not relevant in this situation, is still quite valid and im sticking to it.
You lost me.
People who investigate accidents for a living will tell you accidents are not only always negligence, but if you dig deep enough you can almost always tag a name on it.There it is. [^]
Contrary to what we all hear parroted, $#@! doesn't just happen.
Barring pure acts of God, the world will work smoothly until someone screws things up through either ignorance or negligence. If you dissect any 'accident' you'll eventually identify where someone in the chain of events dropped the ball.
Some just don't seem to understand that accidental and negligent can both correctly be used describe the same event. They fail to notice the definition of 'accident' includes: "[Something which occurs] without intent or through carelessness and often with unfortunate results."
A more realisitc question is whether an act rises to the level of gross negligence. I'd say pulling the trigger of a gun you haven't cleared while standing in a crowd does.
quote:Originally posted by storm6490
They guy is a complete moron and DOES NOT DESERVE A FELONY!
He should be fined a few thousand dollars and pay restitution to the person who he harmed. If he does not pay the restitution he should be jailed for a year. NO FELONY.
It was a dumb accident. It was an accident and not intentional. Not felony type action or behavior.
My rights come from God and not the Constitution by the way.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I think he does deserve at least one felony charge for his actions. His neglegence could've easily caused loss of life and should be handled as such. That man should NEVER be allowed to own a firearm again. That guy gives responsible gun owners a bad name, should hook his balls up to a car battery...
+1
I have no sympathy for this idgit
quote:Originally posted by gruntled
Many years ago I bought a kar 98 & when I got home I ran a loaded round through it. As soon as I closed the bolt it fired. At least I was in the back yard & had it pointed at the ground. That was clearly a malfunction & therefore an AD.
I must respectfully disagree.
We are getting close to changing the subject of this thread, but accidents are close enough to the subject I guess it's not really a hijack.
The incident you describe is most definitely traceable to negligence. Not your negligence in this case, but clearly negligence, and probably fraud, on the face of it.
I've investigated a few accidents, and read hundreds if not thousands of accident reports. I haven't found one yet that could not be traced to negligence at some level, no matter how "freaky" the accident.
People who investigate accidents for a living will tell you accidents are not only always negligence, but if you dig deep enough you can almost always tag a name on it.
yep. Some can be tagged as "acts of God" (such as a lightning bolt striking or the wind blowing a branch at you from a long distance) the rest truly seem to involve negligence.
And fiery auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit
While sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life
And drink it from a fountain
That is pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
I just always assumed that when I had a firearm in my control that I was held to higher level of responsibility.